West Indies Tour of Australia 2010

[TumTum]

Either way you look at it, England will always be thrashed here in Aus

 

[drainpipe32]

The real problem is there's not much difference between the Windies top four and their bottom four

 

[Dare]

Almost over. Cant wait for this to end and the injured players to come back healthy. Need to try some youngsters that are performing in domestic cricket.

 

[War]

Reckon the Windies would have a fairly strong ODI team when all the players are fit:

Gayle
Chanderpaul
Sarwan
Samuels
Pollard
Bravo
DW Smith
Ramdin
Miller
Taylor
Edwards

Backups: Simmons, Barath, Benn, Roach

That team would be on par if not better than the likes of England, NZ, SRI, PAK.

 

[Dare]

Nobody knows how Samuels will do after being of for 2 years, first he needs to play for Jamaica so we can see if he has what it takes to claim a spot in the team.

For me Benn and Miller wouldn't be in the ODI team. Dave Mohammed is a much better spinner in the shorter game, I was actually expecting him to be selected considering the coach is from T&T and was the coach of T&T but they went with Miller.

 

[War]

Nobody knows how Samuels will do after being of for 2 years, first he needs to play for Jamaica so we can see if he has what it takes to claim a spot in the team.

For me Benn and Miller wouldn't be in the ODI team. Dave Mohammed is a much better spinner in the shorter game, I was actually expecting him to be selected considering the coach is from T&T and was the coach of T&T but they went with Miller.

Last i heard on Samuels he seems pretty focused on getting right back into the WI team once his ban ends on May 9 this year. Plus the selectors seems like they want him back ASAP too.

Samuels counts down to lifting of his ban | West Indies Cricket News | Cricinfo.com

He really should walk back into the WI set-up to be dead honest.


Would have to disagree on Mohammaed. He may be doing well for Trinidad domestically, but he is joke bowler by international standards based on what i've seen of him. Miller & Benn are definately superior limited overs bowlers.

If you want to talk about Trinidad spinner, id say Amit Jaggernauth should be in the test team though. But im not sure what is form is like these days.

 

[Dare]

Last i heard on Samuels he seems pretty focused on getting right back into the WI team once his ban ends on May 9 this year. Plus the selectors seems like they want him back ASAP too.

Samuels counts down to lifting of his ban | West Indies Cricket News | Cricinfo.com

He really should walk back into the WI set-up to be dead honest.

Not if he proves it at the domestic level. At the moment the middle order looks set if there arent any injures in both forms of the game.
There is no point in taking out Barath who is the future at the opening spot just to fit a 30 year old batsman who has been away for 2 years and hasn't played any competitive cricket in that span.

The top 6 should be
Gayle
Barath
Sarwan
Chanders
Bravo/Pollard
Pollard/Bravo

The younger Bravo should be in contention for a spot ahead of Samuels too.

Would have to disagree on Mohammaed. He may be doing well for Trinidad domestically, but he is joke bowler by international standards based on what i've seen of him. Miller & Benn are definately superior limited overs bowlers.

Dave Mohammed is the best spinner in the short versions of the game in the Caribbean. He did great in Champins Trophy and in the limited chances that he got in the ODIs he has done well even against India, cant go worse with giving him a try over Miller/Benn.

If you want to talk about Trinidad spinner, id say Amit Jaggernauth should be in the test team though. But im not sure what is form is like these days.

Jaggernauth has been struggling last year and so far this year. Imran Khan is the one that has his eye on that test spot and should be the one to get it IMO.

 

[War]

Not if he proves it at the domestic level. At the moment the middle order looks set if there arent any injures in both forms of the game.
There is no point in taking out Barath who is the future at the opening spot just to fit a 30 year old batsman who has been away for 2 years and hasn't played any competitive cricket in that span.

The top 6 should be
Gayle
Barath
Sarwan
Chanders
Bravo/Pollard
Pollard/Bravo

The younger Bravo should be in contention for a spot ahead of Samuels too.

Well yes of course he would have to score runs for Jamaica domestically before he can be considered again. But he seems hungry enough & i would be surprised if he doesn't.

Windies dont exactly have superb depth in the middle-order to be making styles on Samuels TBH. If he comes back strong (as he was batting vs South Africa 07/08) he would make your ODI middle-order very solid/decent.

Secondly, cant see how young Bravo would be ahead of him just yet in either format, although he looks a real talent.

Thirdly Pollard & Samuels wont be battling for the same spot. Both should be part of the best Windies ODI XI looking ahead to the 2011 WC.

Dave Mohammed is the best spinner in the short versions of the game in the Caribbean. He did great in Champins Trophy and in the limited chances that he got in the ODIs he has done well even against India, cant go worse with giving him a try over Miller/Benn.

Domestic form doesn't always equal to international success.

WI domestic competition is crap. Based on what i've seen of Mohammed which is alot, no way he is international quality TBH. Miller or Benn although they indeed are not the greatest, would be better ODI options since they potentially on occassions can be economical/restrictive againts international batsmen in the middle-orders. Especially if the the newball bowlers take early wickets.

Can't see how Mohammed would take wickets or be economical in any area in a ODI VS international batsmen.

Jaggernauth has been struggling last year and so far this year. Imran Khan is the one that has his eye on that test spot and should be the one to get it IMO.

Word..seems like Jaggers has declined which is disappoiting since i like what i saw of him on debut vs AUS in 2008.

 

[Dare]

Well yes of course he would have to score runs for Jamaica domestically before he can be considered again. But he seems hungry enough & i would be surprised if he doesn't.

Windies dont exactly have superb depth in the middle-order to be making styles on Samuels TBH. If he comes back strong (as he was batting vs South Africa 07/08) he would make your ODI middle-order very solid/decent.

That is a big if, 2 years away from the top game isn't a small thing. He might have been playing club cricket while he was away but thats way below the standard these days.
I am all for giving him a chance but he needs to prove he deserves it first. He returns on May 9 which is 10 days before the 1st ODI against South Africa. The domestic competition will be over way before that and there would be nowhere for him to prove himself unless he gets a contract somewhere overseas.

Secondly, cant see how young Bravo would be ahead of him just yet in either format, although he looks a real talent.

Younger Bravo would be ahead of him based on the fact that he has been playing cricket for the past 2 years and showing what he can do and he is also 20 years old with a huge upside while we don't know where the almost 30 year old Samuels stands.

Thirdly Pollard & Samuels wont be battling for the same spot. Both should be part of the best Windies ODI XI looking ahead to the 2011 WC.

Pollard has that spot locked up already, he has shown what he can do on this tour of Australia and it would be insane to take him out for a guy who was away for 2 years.
I honestly don't see a spot for Samuels other then the backup role or in case someone start failing.
When everyone is back and healthy the squad is set from 1-6.

Domestic form doesn't always equal to international success.

No it doesn't thats why the WI have Miller and Benn playing ODI cricket. WI have got this thing completely reversed, Millers strength is the long format of the game not short and same goes for Benn.
Mohammed is far superior to them when it comes to one day cricket. Even in tests he would be better, Miller wasn't able to do anything against Bangladesh in the test that he played.

WI domestic competition is crap. Based on what i've seen of Mohammed which is alot, no way he is international quality TBH. Miller or Benn although they indeed are not the greatest, would be better ODI options since they potentially on occassions can be economical/restrictive againts international batsmen in the middle-orders. Especially if the the newball bowlers take early wickets.

No way are Benn and Miller better options then Mohammed. They got no variations just bowl the same length and line and hope for the best, Benn has that "faster ball" but thats about it.
Mohammed has what it takes to perform well in the One Day game, he has shown it in the Stanford clashes vs the English and did the same in the Champions league. If the WI are going to pick a spinner for the World 20/20 he should be the one.

Its fine to be economical/restrictive but you also need to take wickets as well and both of them haven't done that often enough.

Can't see how Mohammed would take wickets or be economical in any area in a ODI VS international batsmen.

As I said before Mohammed has variations, good flight and he isn't afraid to go after the batsman or toss the ball up and get them out of their crease.

Even tho the WI domestic competition isn't anything special its still what players get selected on and Dave Mohammed is the best short form spinner in the Caribbean.
If it aint Mohammed then it should be Veerasammy Permaul, a young kid who has been doing well for a couple of years. Benn and Miller arent one day material.

Word..seems like Jaggers has declined which is disappoiting since i like what i saw of him on debut vs AUS in 2008.

Yea I cant remember exactly but last year he averaged somewhere around 40, this year so far its 30. The first 7 leading wicket takers in domestic competition this year are all spinner averaging below 20 or just over.
I had high hopes for Jaggernauth too but after making his debut he hasn't done anything to stand out.

 

[drainpipe32]

Pollard believes Windies hold Twenty20 advantage
:laugh

Although, he might have a point. We have never beaten the West Indies in a T20, from two attempts.

Still, it sounds funny following the ODI series.

Kieron Pollard believes West Indies could hold the mental edge over Australia ahead of Sunday's Twenty20 in Hobart despite having been thrashed in the one-day series. West Indies have beaten Australia in both the Twenty20s the teams have played and Pollard said there was a good chance that winning run could continue with a side boasting several big-hitters.

"We are a pretty confident bunch in terms of the Twenty20," Pollard said. "When you look at it, it has been evolving so fast and the West Indians, we have been performing pretty well in the Twenty20 competition. Having the edge, that little psychological advantage against them could really play in our favour."

It's hard to imagine any squad feeling that they have the upper hand having just lost ODIs by 113 runs, eight wickets, 50 runs and 125 runs. But the freedom of Twenty20 could allow strikers like Pollard, Chris Gayle and Dwayne Smith to come in to their own without the pressure of having to bat for 50 overs.

 

[TumTum]

I hope we get another super fast pitch and Tait has another crack.

Windies have no chance. We are unbeatable in T20 at home.

 

[Covvy]

Tommorow's match will be awesome, pity I have other things on so I can't go. Full house will be there and first international under the stars in Hobart.

 

[aussie1st]

Well our T20 batting is pretty dodgy although WI bowling lineup lacks the fire power to do what Pakistan did to us.

 

[Aussie Team]

Why Is Hussey Droped???

 

[Iridium]

Why Is Hussey Droped???

He's being rested along with Hauritz.