What's with the format?

[spooony]

13th Match, Super Four: Afghanistan v Netherlands at Dubai (DSC) - Feb 12, 2010

Afghanistan 128/9 (20/20 ov); Netherlands 132/6 (18.5/20 ov)

Netherlands won by 4 wickets (with 7 balls remaining)

Yet they are excluded as they lost 1 game to Ireland in the Super Four game. But because they lost a game earlier in the tournament to UAE they were out. So what is the use of the Super Four again?

 

[angryangy]

This year's qualifiers were this year. Afghanistan and Ireland both beat Netherlands to progress. It didn't have a super 4, just the regular play-off system; both sides actually only lost 1 match each in the whole tournament.

The main thing about Afghanistan that people aren't seeing this year is Hamid Hassan. Having a bowler who gets up around 90 mph is a big part of why they have been able to climb up world cricket so quickly and if nothing else, is more interesting to watch. Dropped catches are kind of interesting too, but not in the same way.

 

[barmyarmy]

Another flaw in the format is after all that effort qualifying Ireland get knocked out after only completing one match. 3 teams groups = pointless.

 

[SaiSrini]

This tournament is a flop. Bad format where West Indies qualify without a single win, coupled with poor scheduling during the rainy season. Sri Lanka is towards the Southern part of India, and generally in South India, this is the rainy season (quite frequent rains) and when it rains, it pours.

 

[spooony]

This year's qualifiers were this year. Afghanistan and Ireland both beat Netherlands to progress. It didn't have a super 4, just the regular play-off system; both sides actually only lost 1 match each in the whole tournament.

The main thing about Afghanistan that people aren't seeing this year is Hamid Hassan. Having a bowler who gets up around 90 mph is a big part of why they have been able to climb up world cricket so quickly and if nothing else, is more interesting to watch. Dropped catches are kind of interesting too, but not in the same way.

Yes I know that but the 2010 tournament had the 1992 WC sort of format with a Super Fours. If that was the semi Afghans would have been out. But the points carry over system is awful and a big fail.

Talking about speed and bowlers I would not take that speedstick or gun/radar with a grain of salt and its results serious. You bowl seem up it registers 1mph more than it actually is. Every 5mm of line fron the gun it registers another 1mph faster than it actually is. And the only way start of with a accurate result is to catch the ball straight in line with the gun within the first 300mm when it leaves the bowlers hand. For that you would have to place it on the bowlers end on middle stump. So those WR of 101mph, 100mph are actually less than that.

Then the other thing is 140km/h becomes 85km/h as soon as it hits the pitch. How fast the pitc is will determine the last speed actually. So you can run in 100mph on a slow wicket you will actually reach he batsman at less than 100km/h.

On other note Windies are throught to the Super 8's without winning a match or even completing a full 20 over game. Marvelous!

Btw who was the idiot who scheduled a tournament in Sri Lanka this time of the year? If I am not mistaken some idiot scheduled a tournament in Sri Lanka the same time of the year and rain was all over the place. What happened to learn from your mistakes or a bit of research or even better pick up a phone and call the local weather guru

 

[ferg512]

Yeah they really shouldn't have held it in Sri Lanka, why are they so reluctant to give a tournament to Aussie? They would do a great job with it, you obviously couldn't have it at this time of year but I don't see any reason why they couldn't stage it in Jan-Feb. When it was held in England it was in the middle of the season wasn't it?

 

[Skater]

Yeah they really shouldn't have held it in Sri Lanka, why are they so reluctant to give a tournament to Aussie? They would do a great job with it, you obviously couldn't have it at this time of year but I don't see any reason why they couldn't stage it in Jan-Feb. When it was held in England it was in the middle of the season wasn't it?

It was between 5th June and 21st June here, so yeah, it was in the middle of the season, or rather more in the early part of the season but the weather is pretty crap at any time here.

 

[spooony]

Sri Lanka is fine but I question the timing. Its in the time of the year they get more rain.

 

[War]

Yeah they really shouldn't have held it in Sri Lanka, why are they so reluctant to give a tournament to Aussie? They would do a great job with it, you obviously couldn't have it at this time of year but I don't see any reason why they couldn't stage it in Jan-Feb. When it was held in England it was in the middle of the season wasn't it?

Its one of the weirdest things in international scheduling over the last 20 years that Australia haven't hosted an international tournament since the 1992 world cup.

 

[CG123]

Its one of the weirdest things in international scheduling over the last 20 years that Australia haven't hosted an international tournament since the 1992 world cup.

Since we (NZ and Aus) last held it and up until we hold it again in 2015, the World Cups have gone:

Asia - 4 (7 including the Champions Trophy)
Africa - 2 (4 including the Champions Trophy)
England - 2 (4 including the Champions Trophy)
West Indies - 2
Aus/NZ - 0

Even Bangladesh are getting the T20 World Cup in 2014...

At least FIFA try to share it around the continents, but come 2014 the last three World Cups all will have been in Asia, plus the T20 World Cup is in India in 2016.

 

[spooony]

Its one of the weirdest things in international scheduling over the last 20 years that Australia haven't hosted an international tournament since the 1992 world cup.

You should be glad as you do not want to get knocked out the first round again ....

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Since we (NZ and Aus) last held it and up until we hold it again in 2015, the World Cups have gone:

Asia - 4 (7 including the Champions Trophy)
Africa - 2 (4 including the Champions Trophy)
England - 2 (4 including the Champions Trophy)
West Indies - 2
Aus/NZ - 0

Even Bangladesh are getting the T20 World Cup in 2014...

At least FIFA try to share it around the continents, but come 2014 the last three World Cups all will have been in Asia, plus the T20 World Cup is in India in 2016.

SA co hosted with Zimbabwe. And you can not actually count a T20 WC as a world cup as the 50 overs one is the real deal.

Unfortunatetly just like with rugby the North has got more voting power than the South. Australia dominated one day series in Australia over the last 15 to 17 years. If you can let sub continent teams come over and actually let them have a good close series they might vote for you guys again. NZ will never host one exclusively so they are basically screwed by Australia's dominance of prior years.

 

[CG123]

SA co hosted with Zimbabwe. And you can not actually count a T20 WC as a world cup as the 50 overs one is the real deal.

Yep, that's why I just said Africa in general. Kenya held some World Cup matches as well, plus they've also hosted the Champions Trophy.

Unfortunatetly just like with rugby the North has got more voting power than the South. Australia dominated one day series in Australia over the last 15 to 17 years. If you can let sub continent teams come over and actually let them have a good close series they might vote for you guys again. NZ will never host one exclusively so they are basically screwed by Australia's dominance of prior years.

All reports are saying that the matches in the 2015 World Cup will be a 50 - 50 split, maybe they'll just have one pool in Australia and one pool in New Zealand?

I know we're never going to host one by ourselves, because we just don't have the big bucks. In saying that we'd do the best job along with England and Australia.

Re the Rugby World Cup, I don't really mind how the allocations have gone since it started. It's alternated between Europe and other parts of the World since it started, which has been pretty fair. With 2019 in Japan, it will probably go back to Europe in 2023 (maybe Italy?), but it'll be interesting to see where it goes in 2027, with by then what will hopefully be the emergence of USA/Canada, Argentina, and South Africa and Australia who won't have hosted it for quite a while then. South Africa have a real edge because they have a similar timezone to Europe and it was last there in 1995, but the IRB will definitely be looking at expanding it into America (North and South) by then.

 

[angryangy]

Talking about speed and bowlers I would not take that speedstick or gun/radar with a grain of salt and its results serious. You bowl seem up it registers 1mph more than it actually is. Every 5mm of line fron the gun it registers another 1mph faster than it actually is. And the only way start of with a accurate result is to catch the ball straight in line with the gun within the first 300mm when it leaves the bowlers hand. For that you would have to place it on the bowlers end on middle stump. So those WR of 101mph, 100mph are actually less than that.

Then the other thing is 140km/h becomes 85km/h as soon as it hits the pitch. How fast the pitc is will determine the last speed actually. So you can run in 100mph on a slow wicket you will actually reach he batsman at less than 100km/h.

Actually it's also possible to bowl "slower" by bowling away from the gun as well. If a bowler bowls 140 kph, you do not know if it was really 138 or up to 142 kph; in terms of setting records it's crap, however, we can all agree if a ball had decent pace on it.

The thing about the speed at the bat is that the ball travels at the slower pace for a very brief time before it reaches the batsman; at times, it may be beyond the measure of human ability to react in time to anything the ball does at or after pitching; the greater emphasis is on picking the ball up early and predicting it. So any of that time shaved by bowling fast is still relevant. If a ball travelled straight down a pitch at 140 kph, it would get there in about 0.53 seconds; however, a ball bowled at 150 kph in real conditions, losing velocity to air and bouncing, does actually get there faster.

 

[spooony]

Actually it's also possible to bowl "slower" by bowling away from the gun as well. If a bowler bowls 140 kph, you do not know if it was really 138 or up to 142 kph; in terms of setting records it's crap, however, we can all agree if a ball had decent pace on it.

The thing about the speed at the bat is that the ball travels at the slower pace for a very brief time before it reaches the batsman; at times, it may be beyond the measure of human ability to react in time to anything the ball does at or after pitching; the greater emphasis is on picking the ball up early and predicting it. So any of that time shaved by bowling fast is still relevant. If a ball travelled straight down a pitch at 140 kph, it would get there in about 0.53 seconds; however, a ball bowled at 150 kph in real conditions, losing velocity to air and bouncing, does actually get there faster.

If the surface of the ball is rough, or if it is dimpled, then the flow of air around the surface can be become turbulent well before the air speed drops to zero. That means the drag force is reduced compared to a smooth ball. *cough Waqar Younis *cough

That I marked in bold not quite right. You are on the right track though. That part you refer is the force on the ball. A cricket ball spends about 0.001 seconds in contact with the pitch or in contact with a bat. The force on the ball has to slow it down to a complete stop and then accelerate it back in the other direction, all in the space of 0.001 seconds. The force a cricket ball needs to lift it off the ground is about the same to lift a 1,7 ton car of the ground! That is why it hurts so much when you get struck on the helmet.

But regardless of the speed of the ball when it leaves the hand it will slow down around 12 percent. Depending on the speed of the pitch and the angle of incidence it will SLOW down more. Unless your pitch is rubber or you are a SPIN bowler it will never be faster than it was when it left your hand. Remember the 1.7 ton? Tell me what pitch is hard enough to resist the impact of a 0.16kg? Everytime that ball hits the pitch it damages it there is where you loose your speed. Unless you can bowl a 150km/h topspinner

Yep, that's why I just said Africa in general. Kenya held some World Cup matches as well, plus they've also hosted the Champions Trophy.



All reports are saying that the matches in the 2015 World Cup will be a 50 - 50 split, maybe they'll just have one pool in Australia and one pool in New Zealand?

I know we're never going to host one by ourselves, because we just don't have the big bucks. In saying that we'd do the best job along with England and Australia.

Re the Rugby World Cup, I don't really mind how the allocations have gone since it started. It's alternated between Europe and other parts of the World since it started, which has been pretty fair. With 2019 in Japan, it will probably go back to Europe in 2023 (maybe Italy?), but it'll be interesting to see where it goes in 2027, with by then what will hopefully be the emergence of USA/Canada, Argentina, and South Africa and Australia who won't have hosted it for quite a while then. South Africa have a real edge because they have a similar timezone to Europe and it was last there in 1995, but the IRB will definitely be looking at expanding it into America (North and South) by then.

There is no doubt you guys have no problem hosting such a tournament. But drop in pitches with helicopters and old Smittie talking about last night Crusaders match is not helping as the ICC would ask you guys to build stadiums exclusively for cricket that meets their standards. Don't think NZ would waste their money that way

 

[War]

Since we (NZ and Aus) last held it and up until we hold it again in 2015, the World Cups have gone:

Asia - 4 (7 including the Champions Trophy)
Africa - 2 (4 including the Champions Trophy)
England - 2 (4 including the Champions Trophy)
West Indies - 2
Aus/NZ - 0

Even Bangladesh are getting the T20 World Cup in 2014...

At least FIFA try to share it around the continents, but come 2014 the last three World Cups all will have been in Asia, plus the T20 World Cup is in India in 2016.

Ye the 2011 world cup should have gone to aus/nz.

I still have high suspicions that Indian used its influenced to get that world cup.

Since come world cup 2015, to go 23 years without a major tournament is beyond ridiculous for aus/nz. Just two under 19 world-cups basically