Who should be the Australian Opener for ODIS?

Who should be the opener with Watson?

  • Michael Clarke

    Votes: 5 38.5%
  • Michael Hussey

    Votes: 1 7.7%
  • James Hopes

    Votes: 2 15.4%
  • Tim Paine

    Votes: 3 23.1%
  • others

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13

Owzat

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Go with a leftie, but to be perfectly honest England have been pants mostly in ODIs since 1992 with the occaisional high spot so you could open the batting with Hilfenhaus and still win. England never really recovered from a dreadful WC 96, or come to terms with the fact you need to take wickets and not just 'bowl tight'. Add to that our tendancy to get a good start then struggle around 100, either losing quick wickets or just momentum and you have a losing formula perfectly executed by England.

And of course England are too wrapped up in theories, labelling players one day players and not one day players, chopping and changing the personnel because success in county cricket hasn't translated for the below (and more) into success in ODIs - some because we constantly try them as "pinch-hitters" and others simply don't perform

Samit Patel : 116 runs @ 23.20 & 11 wkts @ 29.00
Ambrose : 10 runs @ 2.50
Mustard : 233 runs @ 23.30
Batty : 30 runs @ 5.00 & 5 wkts @ 73.20
Bresnan : 60 runs @ 15.00 & 6 wkts @ 43.17
Mascarenhas : 215 runs @ 23.89 & 11 wkts @ 48.73
Luke Wright : 229 runs @ 22.90 & 3 wkts @ 52.33
Tremlett : 38 runs @ 9.50 & 9 wkts @ 46.56

Ironically players like Jon Lewis (18 wkts @ 27.61), Cook (702 runs @ 30.52), Bell (2483 runs @ 35.47) etc are overlooked having done little wrong, some deemed to score too slowly, others just part of the scattergun England selection policy. If we picked a squad of say 20 players and stuck with much the same XI out of it, then maybe we'd progress. I still think we should play mostly the Test side, if they're good enough to play Test cricket they should be good enough to play one dayers and any that have excelled in the one day game can only add to that. But England theory is wrapped up in pinch-hitters and "specialists", we went from bits n pieces cricketers around 1999, where players could bat, bowl but very rarely to a high level or at the same time, to specialists to another theory, then another and whatever the next one is.

So basically aussies, have nothing to fear until England get their selections right and then you might have to worry about your's!
 

King Pietersen

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Watson and Warner should be opening tbh. Love watching those 2 bat, well, when Warner's playing properly and giving it a whack anyway. He's pretty horrible to watch when he's trying to play sensibly, just give it a whack lad.

Oh and Owzat, pretty harsh to group Samit Patel in with the that group. He was batting at 7 when he's a proper batsman. He was effectively played as a spinner primarily by England, which is just completely the wrong role for him, he should be in the Top 5 for me, 6 at the lowest.
 
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Howsie

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Go with a leftie, but to be perfectly honest England have been pants mostly in ODIs since 1992 with the occaisional high spot so you could open the batting with Hilfenhaus and still win. England never really recovered from a dreadful WC 96, or come to terms with the fact you need to take wickets and not just 'bowl tight'. Add to that our tendancy to get a good start then struggle around 100, either losing quick wickets or just momentum and you have a losing formula perfectly executed by England.

And of course England are too wrapped up in theories, labelling players one day players and not one day players, chopping and changing the personnel because success in county cricket hasn't translated for the below (and more) into success in ODIs - some because we constantly try them as "pinch-hitters" and others simply don't perform

Samit Patel : 116 runs @ 23.20 & 11 wkts @ 29.00
Ambrose : 10 runs @ 2.50
Mustard : 233 runs @ 23.30
Batty : 30 runs @ 5.00 & 5 wkts @ 73.20
Bresnan : 60 runs @ 15.00 & 6 wkts @ 43.17
Mascarenhas : 215 runs @ 23.89 & 11 wkts @ 48.73
Luke Wright : 229 runs @ 22.90 & 3 wkts @ 52.33
Tremlett : 38 runs @ 9.50 & 9 wkts @ 46.56

Ironically players like Jon Lewis (18 wkts @ 27.61), Cook (702 runs @ 30.52), Bell (2483 runs @ 35.47) etc are overlooked having done little wrong, some deemed to score too slowly, others just part of the scattergun England selection policy. If we picked a squad of say 20 players and stuck with much the same XI out of it, then maybe we'd progress. I still think we should play mostly the Test side, if they're good enough to play Test cricket they should be good enough to play one dayers and any that have excelled in the one day game can only add to that. But England theory is wrapped up in pinch-hitters and "specialists", we went from bits n pieces cricketers around 1999, where players could bat, bowl but very rarely to a high level or at the same time, to specialists to another theory, then another and whatever the next one is.

So basically aussies, have nothing to fear until England get their selections right and then you might have to worry about your's!

And yet they're higher up the rankings then NZ. Can't figure that one out tbh.
 

King Pietersen

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Probably due to series wins against India, Sri Lanka, South Africa, West Indies, and a CB Series win against Australia and NZ in the past couple of years.
 

Howsie

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Probably due to series wins against India, Sri Lanka, South Africa, West Indies, and a CB Series win against Australia and NZ in the past couple of years.

Over two years ago. Last two years NZ has beaten Australia, England twice, West Indies, Drawn with Australia and beaten Bangladesh a couple of times. Not to mention we got farer in the 2007 WC.
 

King Pietersen

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All of those series wins have come since 2007. The CB series, a home win against India, an away win to Sri Lanka, a hammering of South Africa (probably contributed to quite alot of points given their ranking) and 2 wins against West Indies. I can see why we've got more ranking points. I don't think we're a better side, but I can see how we've got more ranking points, we've beaten most of the top sides.
 

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