ACL T20 Squads - FINALIZED.

[Chewie]

If they suspect he's not playing as well as he could, then there probably is a clause in his contract that would allow them to cancel the deal

 

[riz7khan12]

If they suspect he's not playing as well as he could, then there probably is a clause in his contract that would allow them to cancel the deal

lol, law student

anyway how can they decide this?, what makes a poor performance intentional?

 

[Chewie]

Well just suspicion I guess. It would have to be very obvious for them to do something like that

 

[Ollie_H]

Pakistan is busy in playing for England, blocking few English players & Shahid Afridi to participate in CLT20, how can you expect your teams from your side? PCB was confusing the total world by saying "We won't allow our teams to play in CLT20" when players were left unsold in IPL. After the total schedule and format got fixed, they themselves started asking for place in CLT20. If PCB would have held its tongue after IPL auction, the Pakistani teams could have been participating in CLT20 as the officials were keen to make teams from Pakistan participate in initial stages.

@ Chewie: I agree that the rules are unfair, but everyone will have equal chance.

Its not if Taylor plays for Central, rules are fair/ If Taylor plays for RCB/VB, rules are unfair. Even Victoria lost Dirk Nannes last year. There are many such cases. I dunno why you all are highlighting only Central is the team with this problem.

Otago Volts (New Zealand Team) in previous edition retained Brendon McCullum (Their own player). Even Central could have retained Taylor. Both the teams are of New Zealand and both might have almost similar bank balances.

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I strongly feel for Kevin Pietersen, Eoin Morgan and Shahid Afridi cause the scheduling of England VS Pakistan has been done in sucha way that the players cannot participate in CLT20 even in later stages. The ECB officials planned their schedule in sucha way that their 5 match ODI series starts on 10th September and ends on 22nd, with a gap of four days for an ODI and three days for another, which is absolute BS. This clearly mentions that ECB and PCB are just putting obstructions for their players by refraining them to play from CLT20.

You have got to be flinging kidding me. You make yourself seem like incredibly naive and stupid the way you post. So blinkered by what you get told by your silly money grabbing BCCI.

Because Pakistan are playing a series in England mean's they can't have a team in the Champions League? That is the most stupid excuse I have ever heard. It almost shows that the only reason you care about the Champions League is that it draws in all the big names who can play.

BKB mentioned the players that play for Silakot 'Imran Nazir, Shoaib Malik, Rana Naved, Abdul Razzaq, Mohammad Asif and Abdur Rehman'. Can you tell me how many of them will actually be playing in whatever cricket that Pakistan and England are doing when the Champions League is scheduled?

3 of them were picked for the T20 squad but BKB said that was only SOME of their players. It's outrageous that the only reason you can give for Pakistan not being there is because they are playing an ODI series. The fact you even try to say that the PCB and ECB made the dates like that so that they couldn't play is outrageous as well. How can you expect the ECB to move their season dates around the Champions League? The ECB set the dates for the season and then the Champions League was placed slap bang at the end of the Domestic season. I mean they have bought the whole tournament forward by a month, In England, the season started the earliest it has ever started, so to fit all the cricket in you think they should start earlier? Christ Almighty.

Every time I read your post more, I get more infuriated.

The ECB officials planned their schedule in sucha way that their 5 match ODI series starts on 10th September and ends on 22nd, with a gap of four days for an ODI and three days for another, which is absolute BS.

:doh OMG. So what would you want do Lalit Modi? Force them to play a 5 Match Series in 5 days? Just so all of your little fancy cricket stars are available for a tournament insanely biased towards one country? It has ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS been that an ODI, especially over here has a 3-4 day gap. You really can't say that it has only been scheduled like that so they can't play in the Champions League. Next you will probably come out with saying it should only have been a 3 match series so they could all play. In the next line you go on to say 'It mentions', well what does what mention? Have you got all your information from some cruddy source?


'It's not as if Taylor plays for Central'? No, okay, he just turns out for them in the NZ Domestic Season cos he has nothing better to do. You know sometimes Taylor even turns out for 3 different NZ clubs in a week. When it takes his fancy, in one game he will bat for both sides whilst sharing a pint with Jesse Ryder. Of course he plays for Central. Why do you think that he plays for Bangalore Challengers more than he plays for Central? I mena he probably wont even play for RCB anymore with the whole new re-draft coming up. Another nice money making scheme btw. As someone already mentioned your example of McCullum is flawed because he actually chose who he wanted to play for.

' I agree that the rules are unfair, but everyone will have equal chance.' Yes, okay if you want. That is almost like saying Manchester United and FC United of Manchester have exactly the same chance of Mesut Ozil this summer. But one has a massive bank balance and is the in Premiership whilst the other languishes down in the lower leagues. You need to get it into your brain, that most non-centrally contracted cricket players don't get paid 200k. It could probably say to some degree of certainty that about 5/6 players cumulative wages would add up to 200k. The clubs aren't owned by successful businessmen who pump millions in their clubs. I know that English Clubs, run off the revenue they earn on the previous year maybe with a bit more. And I think there are only a handful of clubs that actually make more than a million pounds revenue in a season. Clubs DON'T HAVE THE MONEY to pay the 200k fee.

Why in the world should they even have to pay 200k to KEEP THEIR OWN PLAYER? He plays for his IPL team for what 6 weeks? and maybe even sits on the bench for half of it. He plays for the NZ domestic team for the whole season, and only doesn't when he is actually selected for the New Zealand side.

The only way this whole 'system' could be fair is if the price was a lot lower. 200k? really? That's just insane.

Madness, complete and utter madness.

EDIT: I was slightly wrong about what I was saying about Turnover, but let's take 2 clubs from 2008. Both International Test grounds, Surrey and Lancashire. Surrey made a profit of pre -tax ?721,000. But then Surrey is probably the richest county going around. Whilst we can also take Lancashire who only made a pre tax profit of ?258,664.

 

[Prithvi]

You have got to be flinging kidding me. You make yourself seem like incredibly naive and stupid the way you post. So blinkered by what you get told by your silly money grabbing BCCI.

Because Pakistan are playing a series in England mean's they can't have a team in the Champions League? That is the most stupid excuse I have ever heard. It almost shows that the only reason you care about the Champions League is that it draws in all the big names who can play.

BKB mentioned the players that play for Silakot 'Imran Nazir, Shoaib Malik, Rana Naved, Abdul Razzaq, Mohammad Asif and Abdur Rehman'. Can you tell me how many of them will actually be playing in whatever cricket that Pakistan and England are doing when the Champions League is scheduled?

3 of them were picked for the T20 squad but BKB said that was only SOME of their players. It's outrageous that the only reason you can give for Pakistan not being there is because they are playing an ODI series. The fact you even try to say that the PCB and ECB made the dates like that so that they couldn't play is outrageous as well. How can you expect the ECB to move their season dates around the Champions League? The ECB set the dates for the season and then the Champions League was placed slap bang at the end of the Domestic season. I mean they have bought the whole tournament forward by a month, In England, the season started the earliest it has ever started, so to fit all the cricket in you think they should start earlier? Christ Almighty.

Wait. PCB was playing pranks by saying "We won't send our teams for CLT20 blah blah..." when None of their players were sold at IPL. If they could have held their tongue when their players weren't bid, The Pakistani teams would have been playing instead of English teams. And why can't PCB stay on their statement? The very next day the tournament was scheduled, Ijaz Butt was in TV headlines saying he was ready to send the teams. If he wanted to do that, why the hell he said "We won't send our teams for CLT20 blah blah..."

I strongly believe Pakistani teams could have been into Champions league if they'd have held their tongue a bit after IPL Auction.

Every time I read your post more, I get more infuriated.

So, don't read and reply! Its better for both of us.

:doh OMG. So what would you want do Lalit Modi? Force them to play a 5 Match Series in 5 days? Just so all of your little fancy cricket stars are available for a tournament insanely biased towards one country? It has ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS been that an ODI, especially over here has a 3-4 day gap. You really can't say that it has only been scheduled like that so they can't play in the Champions League. Next you will probably come out with saying it should only have been a 3 match series so they could all play. In the next line you go on to say 'It mentions', well what does what mention? Have you got all your information from some cruddy source?

I guess English cricketers are specially designed by almighty so that you people cannot play for 5-8 hours a day alternately for 10 days. I din't ask them to play 5 ODI's in 5 days. Even machines will blast if you make it work for 5 days. IDK whether you people have a 3-4 day gaps, but when some world class event is going to take place (same game), they should adjust a bit, which every person with a bit of humanity will do.

Okay, there are no English teams and Pakistani teams due to well known reasons, why don't they at least support by adjusting a bit?

'It's not as if Taylor plays for Central'? No, okay, he just turns out for them in the NZ Domestic Season cos he has nothing better to do. You know sometimes Taylor even turns out for 3 different NZ clubs in a week. When it takes his fancy, in one game he will bat for both sides whilst sharing a pint with Jesse Ryder. Of course he plays for Central. Why do you think that he plays for Bangalore Challengers more than he plays for Central? I mena he probably wont even play for RCB anymore with the whole new re-draft coming up. Another nice money making scheme btw. As someone already mentioned your example of McCullum is flawed because he actually chose who he wanted to play for.

' I agree that the rules are unfair, but everyone will have equal chance.' Yes, okay if you want. That is almost like saying Manchester United and FC United of Manchester have exactly the same chance of Mesut Ozil this summer. But one has a massive bank balance and is the in Premiership whilst the other languishes down in the lower leagues. You need to get it into your brain, that most non-centrally contracted cricket players don't get paid 200k. It could probably say to some degree of certainty that about 5/6 players cumulative wages would add up to 200k. The clubs aren't owned by successful businessmen who pump millions in their clubs. I know that English Clubs, run off the revenue they earn on the previous year maybe with a bit more. And I think there are only a handful of clubs that actually make more than a million pounds revenue in a season. Clubs DON'T HAVE THE MONEY to pay the 200k fee.

Why in the world should they even have to pay 200k to KEEP THEIR OWN PLAYER? He plays for his IPL team for what 6 weeks? and maybe even sits on the bench for half of it. He plays for the NZ domestic team for the whole season, and only doesn't when he is actually selected for the New Zealand side.

The only way this whole 'system' could be fair is if the price was a lot lower. 200k? really? That's just insane.

Madness, complete and utter madness.

EDIT: I was slightly wrong about what I was saying about Turnover, but let's take 2 clubs from 2008. Both International Test grounds, Surrey and Lancashire. Surrey made a profit of pre -tax ?721,000. But then Surrey is probably the richest county going around. Whilst we can also take Lancashire who only made a pre tax profit of ?258,664.

For all this loads, single line answer is enough.
"Who asked HRV Cup/NZC management to sign in when the rules are so?"
As you said reduce the money to 30k USD. Both Central and RCB are ready to put 30k and gain Taylor, whom shall he play for then?

Anyways, I'm not gonna keep on argue with all CLT20 Haters cause at the end of the day, all they shout is Indian teams are $%^&*, which is absolute BS.
Even your countries are lot richer than India. Why don't the Cricket Clubs have tie ups with Business magnets and put money and give equivalent profits to them?

 

[Chewie]

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[-D-S-B-]

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking Chewie. Not worth replying and repeating our simple points another 10 times.
I just completely agree with Ollie.

 

[Ollie_H]

1) Wait. PCB was playing pranks by saying "We won't send our teams for CLT20 blah blah..." when None of their players were sold at IPL. If they could have held their tongue when their players weren't bid, The Pakistani teams would have been playing instead of English teams. And why can't PCB stay on their statement? The very next day the tournament was scheduled, Ijaz Butt was in TV headlines saying he was ready to send the teams. If he wanted to do that, why the hell he said "We won't send our teams for CLT20 blah blah..."

I strongly believe Pakistani teams could have been into Champions league if they'd have held their tongue a bit after IPL Auction.


2) So, don't read and reply! Its better for both of us.



3) I guess English cricketers are specially designed by almighty so that you people cannot play for 5-8 hours a day alternately for 10 days. I din't ask them to play 5 ODI's in 5 days. Even machines will blast if you make it work for 5 days. IDK whether you people have a 3-4 day gaps, but when some world class event is going to take place (same game), they should adjust a bit, which every person with a bit of humanity will do.

4) Okay, there are no English teams and Pakistani teams due to well known reasons, why don't they at least support by adjusting a bit?


5) For all this loads, single line answer is enough.
"Who asked HRV Cup/NZC management to sign in when the rules are so?"
As you said reduce the money to 30k USD. Both Central and RCB are ready to put 30k and gain Taylor, whom shall he play for then?

Anyways, I'm not gonna keep on argue with all CLT20 Haters cause at the end of the day, all they shout is Indian teams are $%^&*, which is absolute BS.
Even your countries are lot richer than India. Why don't the Cricket Clubs have tie ups with Business magnets and put money and give equivalent profits to them?

Points numbered for reference.

1) do you expect when there were many number of Pakistan players, much better than some others. But they were clearly boycotted! Mashrafe Mortaza over someone Like Mohammed Amir? Get real.

2) Why should I not read? What's the point of a forum then? Great get out clause that one. It's the one people use when they have no idea what to respond.

3) Let's look at the Indian ODI schedule then shall we? Do they play 5 games in 10 days? Nope, I don't think so! So don't go and blame it on the ECB for their scheduling. Why should they change the way they plan their ODI's over one Champions League Tournament? If you ever take over scheduling for an ICC tournament, I expect all of the player to retire by the end of it due to burn out.

4) Why should they adjust by supporting? They shouldn't have to adjust for some stupid hit and run tournament by making other teams play when they should be on a break?

5) You realise you have inadvertantly said that the only way the player can pick which team to play for is too out price one of the sides? Maybe you could let the player decide which team he wants to play for?

So, overall, why was the dates of the Champions League changed? Oh yeah, because India are playing a series against Australia. (Which seems to happen every year anyway). So they changed it so that their players could play and then shift the blame on to England and Pakistan for not budging on their dates?

Seriously Binnu, take your bloudy blinkers off and actually see something instead of being naive.

Ollie_H added 4 Minutes and 7 Seconds later...

Poll added. If you have any options I haven't put in let me know.

 

[BKB1991]

Wait. PCB was playing pranks by saying "We won't send our teams for CLT20 blah blah..." when None of their players were sold at IPL. If they could have held their tongue when their players weren't bid, The Pakistani teams would have been playing instead of English teams. And why can't PCB stay on their statement? The very next day the tournament was scheduled, Ijaz Butt was in TV headlines saying he was ready to send the teams. If he wanted to do that, why the hell he said "We won't send our teams for CLT20 blah blah..."

I strongly believe Pakistani teams could have been into Champions league if they'd have held their tongue a bit after IPL Auction.


So, don't read and reply! Its better for both of us.



I guess English cricketers are specially designed by almighty so that you people cannot play for 5-8 hours a day alternately for 10 days. I din't ask them to play 5 ODI's in 5 days. Even machines will blast if you make it work for 5 days. IDK whether you people have a 3-4 day gaps, but when some world class event is going to take place (same game), they should adjust a bit, which every person with a bit of humanity will do.

Okay, there are no English teams and Pakistani teams due to well known reasons, why don't they at least support by adjusting a bit?


For all this loads, single line answer is enough.
"Who asked HRV Cup/NZC management to sign in when the rules are so?"
As you said reduce the money to 30k USD. Both Central and RCB are ready to put 30k and gain Taylor, whom shall he play for then?

Anyways, I'm not gonna keep on argue with all CLT20 Haters cause at the end of the day, all they shout is Indian teams are $%^&*, which is absolute BS.
Even your countries are lot richer than India. Why don't the Cricket Clubs have tie ups with Business magnets and put money and give equivalent profits to them?

Lol. Let me get a few things straight. I never said a Pakistani team should be there in the Champions League but I would want one. Also A Champions League T20 that does not contain former World Champions (World Champions when the teams were being finalised btw) is a FARCE. I love this part you mentioned:

I strongly believe Pakistani teams could have been into Champions league if they'd have held their tongue a bit after IPL Auction.

Why the hell would a tournament like the Champions League, one that is 'supposedly' run by three boards care whether or not PCB held their tongue after the Indian Premier League Auction. Your statement clearly states that CA and CSA are just their to fill the numbers but its the BCCI that makes the decisions.
And why should we hold our tongue? Clearly it smells conspiracy when the best T20 players in the world are ignored for some randoms. Lets not get into this, as this not the main discussion.

I dont think I need to respond to the paragraph regarding English cricketers and the fixtures for their series against Pakistan. Ollie has pretty much said what I had in mind.

For all this loads, single line answer is enough.
"Who asked HRV Cup/NZC management to sign in when the rules are so?"
As you said reduce the money to 30k USD. Both Central and RCB are ready to put 30k and gain Taylor, whom shall he play for then?

Lol. Lets be clear that the NZC are not officially part of the governing board of the CL. They were handed out invitations, which no fool in their right mind would reject. I read somewhere last time how the Cobras earned alot of profit just turning up for the event. So why would the Stags reject this offer?

Like everyone has been saying, Kallis, Taylor, White all would have preferred to play for their home teams. And I find extremely disappointing that they are not given this opportunity. Wouldnt it been better for Indian Cricket to play an Indian youngster instead of one of these three?

 

[Robelinda]

Gosh Ollie, its not worth it man.

 

[Ollie_H]

Wouldnt it been better for Indian Cricket to play an Indian youngster instead of one of these three

Timothy 6:10 'For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.'

 

[angryangy]

Gosh Ollie, its not worth it man.

My word. This thread is a mess.

 

[Prithvi]

Why the hell would a tournament like the Champions League, one that is 'supposedly' run by three boards care whether or not PCB held their tongue after the Indian Premier League Auction. Your statement clearly states that CA and CSA are just their to fill the numbers but its the BCCI that makes the decisions.
And why should we hold our tongue? Clearly it smells conspiracy when the best T20 players in the world are ignored for some randoms. Lets not get into this, as this not the main discussion.

Bilal, you're bit wrong here.
PCB clearly said that they won't be sending players to IPL 2011 and Champions League, which ruled out Pakistani teams' participation in Champions League, not any decisions made by BCCI/any Indian/any other CLT20 Board member.

Source: Ijaz Butt and Some other PCB official ruling out participation of Pakistani's in IPL 2011 and CLT20.

I haven't said the IPL and Pakistan issues have ruled out participation of Pakistani teams. Its PCB officials, who mistook Champions League is something similar and almost related to IPL and said all this crap, which made the Pakistani not play in CLT20.

Lol. Lets be clear that the NZC are not officially part of the governing board of the CL. They were handed out invitations, which no fool in their right mind would reject. I read somewhere last time how the Cobras earned alot of profit just turning up for the event. So why would the Stags reject this offer?

Accepting that I'm wrong (I said Central Stags themselves signed into champions League, whereas I came to know just now that its an invitation), they have two options once they get the invitation:

1) Accepting (They can make money, but there is a possibility of their home players representing some other team, assuming that VB and RCB haven't qualified when Central Stags have qualified)

2) Rejecting (They can't make money.)

They (Central) clearly know that Ross Taylor plays for RCB and VB, who have possibility of making it into Champions League.

If they participate in Champions League just for making money, they'll pray for RCB and VB to qualify for Champions League, so that they'd get some bucks from the team gaining the services of Taylor, which they're getting now.

If they want bucks, they'll have to lose the services of a player who has a clash.
If they want the services of players, they should spend bucks to retain that player.
=>Getting money is inversely proportional to availability of the player here.

Always when I say "Why did Central accept the invitation/Sign up in CLT20 even after knowing some situation like this could turn up", you all people said that they can make some bucks out of it. But no one knows this logic, which is most important one and clarifies everything.

Like everyone has been saying, Kallis, Taylor, White all would have preferred to play for their home teams. And I find extremely disappointing that they are not given this opportunity. Wouldnt it been better for Indian Cricket to play an Indian youngster instead of one of these three?

Even I feel for them, especially for Central Stags.
The point here is RCB. RCB is domestically tough enough with the likes of Rahul Dravid, Robin Uthappa, Manish Pandey, Stuart Binny etc etc. We required Taylor, but not Kallis and White. When the other teams are playing for bucks, why don't you throw some and avail the services of even these players? But when it comes to mentality of players while playing against their home team, I feel CLT20 should be blown away immediately.

And Regarding English Cricket Board, I'm not gonna reply anymore after this on that cause they just oppose the Champions League 2010. They want the things to go in their way, and schedule Champions League by having clash of dates with the two of the three official members' international season (Australia and India).

ECB and PCB have tie ups regarding the scheduling of England VS Pakistan ODI series.

Seeing the past (2006-2010) Natwest Series', there was NO 4 day gap between any two ODI's in Natwest Series. There were few 3 day gaps, but for the first time, I'm seeing the 4 day gap.

This time, There is a 4 day gap along with 3 day gap for a 5 ODI series, which is just to make the total tournament match with the dates of CLT20.

Edit: There is a 4 day gap, but no 3 day gap, which even not excellent scheduling.

 

[Ollie_H]

This time, There is a 4 day gap along with 3 day gap for a 5 ODI series, which is just to make the total tournament match with the dates of CLT20.

Prove it, go on! Prove that exact point, and come up with some substance as to why that is actually the case.

 

[Prithvi]

Prove it, go on! Prove that exact point, and come up with some substance as to why that is actually the case.

I did a small blunder (as I was confused off couple of 2 day gaps), but not as great as what you did:cool:.
Its the first time, ECB has scheduled a 4 day gap between two ODI's in a Natwest series.

It has ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS been that an ODI, especially over here has a 3-4 day gap.