Almost feel like cheated.

[Deleted member 9102]

This place not being like it was a few years ago is, unfortunately, a reflection of the quality of the product that was released. To use Steam as another example; 14 had 93% positive ratings, 17 has 58%... That is not just because of a load of toxic "haters" crawled out of the woodwork.

With a product that doesn't meet expectations will come more vitriol, nagging, negativity etc.

 

[BigAntStudios]

Check Metacritic. There is definitely a herd mentality. Last I'll say on it.

As to "regression", that's up to the individual - many have said their favourite part of the game is bowling, then I just read that it's regression.

As to bugs, we'll fix them, always have, always will.

"nor does it say" that I need to read one mans drivel. Ignored.

 

[Deleted member 46200]

Check Metacritic. There is definitely a herd mentality. Last I'll say on it.

As to "regression", that's up to the individual - many have said their favourite part of the game is bowling, then I just read that it's regression.

As to bugs, we'll fix them, always have, always will.

Drop in the URL...?

 

[Mr Snrub]

This place not being like it was a few years ago is, unfortunately, a reflection of the quality of the product that was released. To use Steam as another example; 14 had 93% positive ratings, 17 has 58%... That is not just because of a load of toxic "haters" crawled out of the woodwork.

With a product that doesn't meet expectations will come more vitriol, nagging, negativity etc.

I was going to post earlier that I felt there was a parallel between Planet Cricket '14 and DBC '14 and also one between Planet Cricket '17 and DBC '17.

Although oddly enough, when I frequented here after DBC '14, I was at one stage on the receiving end of many negative comments for a while and then memes and signatures put up mocking my family surname until I had to change my profile name. It wasn't pleasant and I asked for it to stop only to be met with an "awwww diddums - do you want a safe space" (not that I asked for one) response and a meme reflecting that too put up in a sig. It was personal and no-one from Planet Cricket did a thing.

So I guess now we have Big Ant Studios saying Planet Cricket isn't safe for them to post anymore. I certainly can sympathise, although I don't remember anyone attacking them as personally as I mention above.

Also, far be it from me to say, but I have a sneaking suspicion that if the bug threads had been frequented a little more often than the chatty discussion threads, then they could stay in a very safe area indeed. Mods could kick out any cheap shots instantly (due to the nature of the threads) and professional feedback could be given. It's not for me to say, but threads like "make it rain", about raining bugs down on pirates (as much as they deserve it) was an interesting choice of use of time. I gather the only reason was to make it known that the game wasn't buggy in those cases, just that people should buy genuine?

Oh I know, my drivels ignored. I'm past ready for that if it hasn't happened already.


As for bowling, anyone can plainly see from the feedback, that the bowling has improved in it's nicks, it's swing, it's spin, flight, it playing like bowling, but the regression mentioned is in the length selection method. Many of those people who do mention it realise that it was hard to implement the old system and still keep visibility on the length colour from the hand.

 

[BigAntStudios]

@Max Walker Regardless of my posting or not, and in which threads, I literally pay people in my studio to take notes and read the threads here - every user here that has the BA Logo, except for myself, is being paid to be here.

They are the ones that put together the lists of bugs, priorities, etc. There is no relationship between how I spend my time posting about pirates or any other matters and the development of the game.

 

[Mr Snrub]

@Max Walker Regardless of my posting or not, and in which threads, I literally pay people in my studio to take notes and read the threads here - every user here that has the BA Logo, except for myself, is being paid to be here.

They are the ones that put together the lists of bugs, priorities, etc. There is no relationship between how I spend my time posting about pirates or any other matters and the development of the game.

I know I tend to post long (I think you called them "sermons" a couple of years back) but I can't help that it's just me trying to be clear.

Honestly Ross I do actually seriously thank posts like that. I'll admit completely I was having a go at some of the stuff true fans, who'd be as constructive as all hell 90% of the time, have had to read of late. I can imagine you're frustrated by things that you've got every right to be. Wouldn't question that for a second. You're as human as any of us out here, but with a hell of a lot more to shoulder, so you know I do give you your dues on that. You're doing huge work and I don't think anyone doubts your team on that. Just wanted to make that clear.

Still, recently you ask what people would get from knowing where things are at, given the release date of any patch is indeterminate? Well I know we've all invested a pittance compared to what you, the company and Tru Blu have riding on this, but we're all still paid up DBC cricket fans, watching a summer go by (almost over), with a game that released pre-christmas, that can't play a stable fielding game to save itself amongst other things. We're not after bonus content.

So, what do people want? I can't speak for everyone, but the bitching seems pretty loud and clear and legitimate. Something a little tangible, something friendly, something once in a while that lets us know that something has been identified and looks to be on top of.

This might sound sarcastic, but it's not, I'm genuinely asking. What response do you think your audience should have? Should we all go calm, except for religiously posting up bug reports and either play the game bugs and all or happily shelve it for an indeterminate amount of time? That's just not realistic at all, it leaves the consumer in a total void and asks them to accept that.

I really hope you see this as trying to robustly debate concerns and not to have a go at you, or the company, but the issue as it stands and that's all it is.

 

[Skankhunt 42]

You seriously overestimate the relationship between sales and promotion on this place, I, and I'm sure MattW, wish it were different.

Well, I take that.... hmm! Admitting that!
But it pains when I see the money I saved in expanse of my 2 months living cost, is getting me a game almost in a similar state as of DBC 14, when released. My instant question was, where is the improvement? (solely on the bugs, not game types or else)
Then I became hopeful to receive some steam beta program from you guys, to test and report to... just like we did in DBC 14. And there, my pain goes deeper because the BA I knew, became all so different. Plus not even a response on why we're not getting betas. Trust me I was and am still hopeful that BA will put the Midas touch on DBC 17 sooner or later but getting irritated to be completely ignored (kept in dark). Why we are not getting involved Mr. Ross? What's the point of all those fancy bug thread, general view etc?

Yes! I became extremely emotional at the first place because of no betas and no user involvement to check your fixes first hand, the way it was used to in DBC 14!

I'm done!

 

[Satan666]

You payed. You got a game in return.

You didn't pay for posts on a forum. Welcome to the real world.

Without BA support on here the forum wouldve long been closed.......activity on the the other areas of the forum are close to being non existent.

So should appreciate the members posting.

 

[phani001]

Totally agree with the TS.

 

[Deleted member 9102]

I'm not sure what Metacritic proves - the game has the minimum required reviews to get a "Metascore" on XB1 (4 reviews, score 83), and one less on PS4 so doesn't get a score. A small sample size, plus a quick read of the content of some of those reviews shows a lack of time spent with the game, minimal understanding of cricket and a lot of just parroting the list of features. There may be an element of herd mentality in the public perception of the game, but there are plenty of genuine reasons for discontent as well.

Regarding bowling... I've gone in-depth about this before, but I really don't see how, except for the turn from spinners, anyone can think the act of bowling the ball is improved in 17. The stuff related to it such as CPU batsman reactions, edge frequency and pitch variance maybe make the overall experience of bowling better for some, but the actual mechanics of bowling the ball are a definite regression.

I trust BA to fix bugs because of the track record with DBC14, so I'll give the game another shot after any patches. Hopefully the game will be much improved by the time of the test series with South Africa .

 

[cricket_online]

I'm not sure what Metacritic proves - the game has the minimum required reviews to get a "Metascore" on XB1 (4 reviews, score 83), and one less on PS4 so doesn't get a score. A small sample size, plus a quick read of the content of some of those reviews shows a lack of time spent with the game, minimal understanding of cricket and a lot of just parroting the list of features. There may be an element of herd mentality in the public perception of the game, but there are plenty of genuine reasons for discontent as well.

Regarding bowling... I've gone in-depth about this before, but I really don't see how, except for the turn from spinners, anyone can think the act of bowling the ball is improved in 17. The stuff related to it such as CPU batsman reactions, edge frequency and pitch variance maybe make the overall experience of bowling better for some, but the actual mechanics of bowling the ball are a definite regression.

I trust BA to fix bugs because of the track record with DBC14, so I'll give the game another shot after any patches. Hopefully the game will be much improved by the time of the test series with South Africa .

Agree with you that Metacritic scores are not a true reflection of DBC 17. No way should DBC 17 get a score of 83 - it should be in 50s and that's what Steam review score shows. I would take Steam review & score as a truer representation of DBC 17 than Metacritic scores.

 

[gogabutt]

The game is still very much playable and fun despite of missing/lacking some key elements. I think people are frustrated because many thought (including myself) after the massive success of DBC 14, the game is on the right track to become a "FIFA of Cricket" and it will be further improved with every installment i.e. better game play, commentary, graphics, AI, Stats etc. But this can happen in the gaming industry. FIFA 16 is a prime example of it, a complete downgrade to FIFA 15. I am not saying DBC 17 is a downgrade to DCB 14. It has many great features like game play customization, stadium creator, logos etc.

What people need to realize that it's just a cricket game and saying that I got robbed, I was cheated, I spent my 2 months of living on it... that's all BS!!! The developers are doing their best to fix issues they can and all they want from the users is to be patient. Think about it this way, we all go out to watch movies in theater but how many complain that they want producer to refund their $15 just because they think the movie is crap?

 

[Snowy]

We paid for a game that promised "a new revolutionary control system delivering the best batting, bowling and fielding experience by providing you an even greater level of variety and precision of play"... which i and many others for one believe we have in no way shape or form received!

Notice how the tag line does not read "a bowling control system that is a regression from its predecessor, batting that is for all intensive purposes the same as its predecessor, and a fielding system that does not work as it should. The stats also dont work properly on a number of levels, there are multiple issues involving logos/stadiums and in-game lag, and there are times in the game when it is impossible to win a match because of a stamina bug/poorly designed feature"

Nor does it state "early access, an abundance of bugs expected"

@SnowyCasanova, i invite you to respond to what ive said and justify why i, the consumer, should not be annoyed with this game and its developers etc... if you plan to simply make a snarky comment about me or anything else then just be silent, but really, i am interested to hear your thoughts on what ive written here!!

Your post has literally nothing to do with what I said. At no point did I make reference to the state of the game, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by calling me out specifically. Im talking about PlanetCricket as a feedback mechanism - I'm not talking about the state of the game AT ALL.

I'll reiterate. You bought a game, nothing more. You're entitled to criticise the game (which I'm guessing is the tenuous link you're trying to make with your post) and Big Ant are entitled to ignore the incoherent, vitriolic shit that has been spewed for months about the game (which they're not, as we know from this thread). If you still feel that aggrieved, you're also entitled to not buy anymore Big Ant products.

Nothing happening... BA is 'working on it'... game still sucks!!

Jeez, I wonder why they don't respond to insightful and meaningful feedback like this anymore...

 

[Mr Snrub]

The game is still very much playable and fun despite of missing/lacking some key elements. I think people are frustrated because many thought (including myself) after the massive success of DBC 14, the game is on the right track to become a "FIFA of Cricket" and it will be further improved with every installment i.e. better game play, commentary, graphics, AI, Stats etc. But this can happen in the gaming industry. FIFA 16 is a prime example of it, a complete downgrade to FIFA 15. I am not saying DBC 17 is a downgrade to DCB 14. It has many great features like game play customization, stadium creator, logos etc.

What people need to realize that it's just a cricket game and saying that I got robbed, I was cheated, I spent my 2 months of living on it... that's all BS!!! The developers are doing their best to fix issues they can and all they want from the users is to be patient. Think about it this way, we all go out to watch movies in theater but how many complain that they want producer to refund their $15 just because they think the movie is crap?

For me that was a mixture of good points and bad ones. The game is still very much playable if you're willing to accept the result occasionally being removed from your hands by bugs, like not being able to bowl to a field without it randomly changing on you. I agree Fifa 16 was for many a downgraded experience due to the way the game played out.

What people need to realise is that it's just a cricket game? I think they do realise that. Saying they were robbed or cheated, I agree that's wrong. Spent 2 months of their discretionary spending on it? That's potentially possible for some in lower income countries, so not necessarily BS.

As for your movie theatre comparison, that's all wrong. People aren't complaining that they don't like the gameplay style or the experience as presumably intended. A more correct comparison would be people complaining because the projector was having a problem and some occasional frames were skipping or the brightness and contrast quality was dipping. In that case, yes they would be in most cases entitled to a refund. After all, there are a few functionally broken things in this game - this not a matter or taste unless BA intended those bugs and people are complaining because they don't share that vision.

You're well entitled to your positive view, but so are those with a less accepting one.

 

[Late-Cut]

If you expect a date for release, we can't predict it reasonably enough for some of the children that frequent this place, and if we did predict it, and got it wrong, then the very ignored trolls that are obviously posting in here would have a field day.

Take your time and make this game the best cricket game ever.In the end we will be happy if Patch 4 delivers the right stuffs.