Ashes Cricket General Discussion

[wasteyouryouth]

Haha thanks for the mention but I do hate that comparison! Football is quite an easy game to simulate. Cricket is not. But yea I totally agree. Players with low drive ability should edge drives more often - it should discourage you from driving. There is the option to view opposition batsman strengths and weaknesses, and I 'feel' it does restrict their scoring and ultimately lead to wickets if you bowl to their weaknesses, but as a human batting, I feel I can play any shot to any ball with little to no consequences.

I think when it comes to how important and noticeable variations in skills or attributes are implemented it's a fair comparison. The big difference is that FIFA and PES are probably fine tuned to work in that 10-20 minute match length. You can't really do that with cricket because you always play a full match because it's not limited by time but the number of overs in a format.

I don't feel like bowling to weaknesses makes a difference, that's mainly cause I don't think attributes matter, I think you have players with a certain rating and they'll be as good as that rating. I might be wrong but I've not seen anything to suggest otherwise. The one big thing in terms of weaknesses and attempting to attack them is how on earth can you bowl to a batsman whose weakness is Special Shots? If they are poor at driving you can pitch it up, poor at pulling you can pitch it short but how can you draw a batsman into playing a reverse sweep or dilscoop?

My memory might be wrong but I'm certain the skills in DBC 14 were more like front foot, back foot, leg side and off side. Those are things you can bowl to, but it seems like they've been replaced by skills that are either too broad to pin down something to attack or, as I feel, just there for show.

 

[jabbathehut]

With bowling its a matter of finding the combination that works on that particular game.If you find it you can get a fivefer easily if you don't you can get tonked around the ground.This is what i have found anyway.In one particular game the crossseam was getting edges put in more slips bowled them out cheaply with basically the same delivery.

 

[Plotinus]

I think when it comes to how important and noticeable variations in skills or attributes are implemented it's a fair comparison. The big difference is that FIFA and PES are probably fine tuned to work in that 10-20 minute match length. You can't really do that with cricket because you always play a full match because it's not limited by time but the number of overs in a format.

I don't feel like bowling to weaknesses makes a difference, that's mainly cause I don't think attributes matter, I think you have players with a certain rating and they'll be as good as that rating. I might be wrong but I've not seen anything to suggest otherwise. The one big thing in terms of weaknesses and attempting to attack them is how on earth can you bowl to a batsman whose weakness is Special Shots? If they are poor at driving you can pitch it up, poor at pulling you can pitch it short but how can you draw a batsman into playing a reverse sweep or dilscoop?

My memory might be wrong but I'm certain the skills in DBC 14 were more like front foot, back foot, leg side and off side. Those are things you can bowl to, but it seems like they've been replaced by skills that are either too broad to pin down something to attack or, as I feel, just there for show.

I agree with this and the fact that making a good cricket game must be harder than a compressed football format. Given that it is harder probably makes it even more important that efforts are made to reduce complexity as much as possible. I think the skills are a good example of where extra 'features' are not helping the playing experience. Playing career mode in DBC14 (if I recall correctly) you built up your skills by playing certain shots or bowling certain balls well. If you want to bowl good leg breaks, you had to bowl lots of them well in match situations...you messed up you could get negative skill points, you got a wicket, you got extra points. It all made intuitive sense. In DBC17 and Ashes the points you got could be assigned anywhere and didn't really reflect performance...you can max out your top spinner without ever bowling one in a match. Ashes also has an odd glitch where suddenly a bunch of your stats get maxed out (I went from level 53 to, I think, something like 76 in one leap...and I still don't know how or why). If they had just stuck with the design principles of DBC14 and delivered game enhancements with DBC17 and Ashes rather than lots of extra complexity, I think it would be much better for it. Right now, playing club cricket in North East England does not feel tremendously different to playing Shield Cricket in Australia. I haven't got to international selection yet but I imagine it won't feel like a big step up...just more of the same.

 

[Chief]

Football is quite an easy game to simulate./QUOTE]

Zomg.

 

[blockerdave]

I find batting to be the only part of the game where it's actually engaging on a gameplay level. There are problems. There's no sense the AI is trying to do anything to get you out. Fields change at random, deliveries are rubbish and/or inconsistent with real life. I probably lose so many wickets to spinners because they're always bowling wrong-runs, but once you adapt to that you can work out that anything outside off stump (for an off spinner) is unlikely to cause you any problems and can be left if necessary.

AI bowling doesn't even become challenging until they are in green confidence levels. Not sure what difference there is, maybe it's accuracy or pace. The problem is though, if they don't get an early wicket they don't get fully confident until the end of a spell or the second spell. ODI's are always tougher batting towards the end - partly because of a spread field but partly because the AI bowling doesn't seem to bowl complete rubbish.

The modifiers - in the sense of the controller (aggressive, lofted, defensive etc) - feel redundant. You can easily play normal shots without worrying you might score too few runs. Maybe in T20 you need to go a bit more aerial but I've not played as much T20 in Ashes.

Like @blockerdave says there feels like no difference between top batsman and lower rated batsman. Using the comparison to Fifa (or in my case PES) that @Nathaus used, you notice a difference in execution when playing with Messi or just some average player. Whether it's ball control, passing ability or shooting. It adds some level of immersion because you can learn which players are good at certain things and adapt how to play to suit certain player or team. There just isn't that in Ashes. Maybe it's because attributes seem completely meaningless so that then you can play the same with everyone, but there's no emphasis on you to bat (or bowl) according to a players strengths or weaknesses because they don't seem to have any. Yes, you can choose to bat like Alastair Cook or Ben Stokes but there's no actual need to or benefit from doing so. It's this area where I think BA need to decide do they want a pick up and play game that is accessible but ultimately flat. Or do they want something that allows for greater immersion for people who want it. I don't feel it would spoil the immersion of the game if when we have a batsman came in we can bring up a pop up box of all their abilities (not that they matter in this game) so that we can then see - right I'm going to benefit from playing these shots or I want to avoid these shots. I don't see why you can't have both, through difficulty levels, with the greater necessity to play to strengths coming the higher difficult you go up.

The more I've played of this game the more I feel like batting in general has too many flaws that can't be fixed with simple patching. Attributes are an issue. The multiple difficulty levels and sliders - in my opinion - make providing consistent gameplay far too difficult. I don't know how the beta team can effectively test the multiple variations that are available - even if they never touch the sliders. It should be a case of picking Rookie, Amateur, Pro, Veteran, Legend and that gives you a difficulty level. Then you can add or remove markers (which I also think are a problem) if you want a little more difficulty.

been syaing this since dbc14. there is not and never has been any variation in how i or the ai play based on attributes. it's always everyman v everyman.

 

[Deleted member 46200]

Annnnnnd AO Tennis gets patched again. This time with enhancements (custom comps) alongside fixes/improvements.

I'm glad for the players, because it's apparent the game was more than just a bit of a joke on release.

Even if an Ashes patch dropped tomorrow, with Cricket season in it's last quarter (this part of the world), I'd feel it was well past overdue.

The worlds smallest violin plays only for you... Jokes aside you sound like you're from Melbourne but hey we all have our problems x

On a serious note, it is stupid that this game will go out of season as like myself we start thinking about footie (Proper game to all out English cousins) and playing a cricket game won't have the appeal so you are correct but I now live in the UK so hope this game is patched and completed and ready for all to enjoy sooner rather than later.

So do we feel when AO tennis hits the European market it will be relabelled RG tennis... ?

 

[jabbathehut]

well miracles of miracles db14 is reduced by 50% and db17 by 25% in the steam sale.

 

[RobinCatta]

well miracles of miracles db14 is reduced by 50% and db17 by 25% in the steam sale.

they must be listening because that's the first time I have ever seen a Big Ant title in a steam sale.

It's getting beyond the joke in regards to patching Ashes on PC though, last patch December 18th ,they're now obsessed with their Tennis game and are completely ignoring the ASHES ,will we ever get a patch? I love the game but so many things annoy me at the same time, even silly things like male players being called SHE? by the terrible, terrible commentary I mean how did that get past Quality Control? that's just one there are loads of terrible things that should be easily fixed but Nothing forthcoming, do you think that's it ,we've paid 50 quid and they have deserted it or will they eventually patch the game ?

 

[Dutch]

or will they eventually patch the game ?

Yes.

 

[blockerdave]

Yes.

We back our games...

 

[cricket_online]

We back our games...

It's Big Ant's version of "Early September"

 

[Mr Snrub]

The worlds smallest violin plays only for you... Jokes aside you sound like you're from Melbourne but hey we all have our problems x

On a serious note, it is stupid that this game will go out of season as like myself we start thinking about footie (Proper game to all out English cousins) and playing a cricket game won't have the appeal so you are correct but I now live in the UK so hope this game is patched and completed and ready for all to enjoy sooner rather than later.

So do we feel when AO tennis hits the European market it will be relabelled RG tennis... ?

You sound like you're a critical airhead who I'd name a town you're from but I couldn't find one dumb enough. xoxoxo Ahahaha. Jokes!

On a serious note, if you contribute replies to my posts with a respectful and serious opening as I do to others, I will to you too. Perhaps you could edit your post to just discuss sensibly your point? I will if you will.

You escalate this with more braindead nonsense and I will too until the mods look back to where this started. xoxoxoxo

 

[Deleted member 46200]

You sound like you're a critical airhead who I'd name a town you're from but I couldn't find one dumb enough. xoxoxo Ahahaha. Jokes!

On a serious note, if you contribute replies to my posts with a respectful and serious opening as I do to others and I will to you too. You escalate this with more braindead nonsense and I will too until the mods look back to where this started. xoxoxoxo

I make no complaint, but you have failed to answer my point... Are you a Port fan then so much negativity... ? I don't actually think what I said in jest was that spiteful, trying to appeal to your humorous side?

So, would you not pick this game up in a few months if you came on here and sore everyone waxing lyrical?

 

[Mr Snrub]

I make no complaint, but you have failed to answer my point... Are you a Port fan then so much negativity... ?

So, would you not pick this game up in a few months if you came on here and sore everyone waxing lyrical?

I didn't fail to answer it. I didn't intend to. I answer those with whom I can have a grown up conversation and treat me with two-way respect.

I'm not a negative person, I just don't tolerate nonsense.

 

[Deleted member 46200]

I didn't fail to answer it. I didn't intend to. I answer those with whom I can have a grown up conversation and treat me with two-way respect.

I'm not a negative person, I just don't tolerate nonsense.

But my point is... You feel it's going out of fashion because the footie season is almost upon us so you feel you wont give it a go but, if it's patched and people here are making positive vibes about it would you?

I never insulted you... Just Melbourne I'm originally from Perth. Okay... Point taken x



Oops he's a Kiwi... ?