Ashes Cricket General Discussion

[Llewelynf]

Dont yoy think you need a 3rd man there as well

Seriously????
Go back to where youre from. I am trying to help out and you come here making stupid suggestions. And no in a test, 1st ball I would not have a third man.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Yeah it does leave a few gaps.

So here is my hypothesis. Hope it makes sense.
The position you want players to field obviously needs to be the highest.

So what I did was 1st slip 88, second slip 87, third slip 86. Every other player below 80 for slips.
Then close fielders, so gully perhaps at 88, short leg 87 etc. Everyone else under 80 for close.
Then infield the same, then outfield. Bowlers for example have high outfield only with no one else above 80. Fielders that would usually be in the ring would have all other skills below everyone else.

So in essence.

Slips would be as follows, slips 85+, close 80, infield 75, outfield 70

Close fielders, close 85+, slips 80, infield 75, outfield 70

Inner ring, infield 85+, slips and close 75, outfield 70

deep fielders, outfield 85+, infield 80, slips and close 70

It's been a bit since I looked at it. Maybe it has changed since the DBC17 days, the impression I got was the selection process for fielders went Inside Ring, Deep Fielders, Close Fielders, Slips (the last three might be mixed up) - certainly if a player had a equal Inner Ring and Slip rating he would go to cover or something before first slip.

For slips I do think it'd be useful to be able to set some kind of hierarchy, either in the line ups (like bowler 1, bowler 2) or at the start of a fielding innings. Just something simple:

Slip 1 - Alastair Cook
Slip 2 - Joe Root
Slip 3 - Ben Stokes
Slip 4 - James Anderson
Slip 5 - James Vince

Then when it comes to the match, if you have one slip Cook fields there, if you have two Cook and Root etc etc

 

[Wealey]

Seriously????
Go back to where youre from. I am trying to help out and you come here making stupid suggestions. And no in a test, 1st ball I would not have a third man.

Who remembers this place back 2007-2009 oh the good times

 

[Llewelynf]

It's been a bit since I looked at it. Maybe it has changed since the DBC17 days, the impression I got was the selection process for fielders went Inside Ring, Deep Fielders, Close Fielders, Slips (the last three might be mixed up) - certainly if a player had a equal Inner Ring and Slip rating he would go to cover or something before first slip.

For slips I do think it'd be useful to be able to set some kind of hierarchy, either in the line ups (like bowler 1, bowler 2) or at the start of a fielding innings. Just something simple:

Slip 1 - Alastair Cook
Slip 2 - Joe Root
Slip 3 - Ben Stokes
Slip 4 - James Anderson
Slip 5 - James Vince

Then when it comes to the match, if you have one slip Cook fields there, if you have two Cook and Root etc etc

It's based on skills first then order of position. As far as I could figure out its closest (slips)to furthest(outfield) in a clockwise direction. So for infield, point, cover, extra, mid off, mid on etc.

But the highest rank for any position always gets preference.

For SA Amla for slips is 89, du plessis 88 and AB 87. And they are always slips 1,2,3 in that order. But say de villiers was 91 outfield he would go there first.

 

[Spoobir]

Who remembers this place back 2007-2009 oh the good times

RIP the old story forum.

 

[Llewelynf]

@wasteyouryouth
For England I would set it up something like this. (Anderson bowling Slips 87 Infield 80 Short 70 Outfield 87 )

Slip 1 - Cook Slips 90 Infield 85 Short 80 Outfield 75
Slip 2 - Root Slips 89 Infield 85 Short 80 Outfield 75
Slip 3 - Stokes Slips 88 Infield 85 Short 80 Outfield 75

Gully - Vince Slips 86 Infield 85 Short 90 Outfield 75

Short leg - Ali Slips 85 Infield 85 Short 89 Outfield 75

Point - Malan Slips 85 Infield 90 Short 80 Outfield 75

Mid off/Extra - Stoneman Slips 80 Infield 89 Short 80 Outfield 75

Mid on - Overton Slips 75 Infield 88 Short 75 Outfield 85

Fine leg - Broad Slips 75 Infield 87 Short 75 Outfield 88

 

[chintoo02018]

@WealeyH what happened to your Youtube videos mate ?

Can't find any videos now

 

[wasteyouryouth]

@wasteyouryouth
For England I would set it up something like this. (Anderson bowling Slips 87 Infield 80 Short 70 Outfield 87 )

Slip 1 - Cook Slips 90 Infield 85 Short 80 Outfield 75
Slip 2 - Root Slips 89 Infield 85 Short 80 Outfield 75
Slip 3 - Stokes Slips 88 Infield 85 Short 80 Outfield 75

Gully - Vince Slips 86 Infield 85 Short 90 Outfield 75

Short leg - Ali Slips 85 Infield 85 Short 89 Outfield 75

Point - Malan Slips 85 Infield 90 Short 80 Outfield 75

Mid off/Extra - Stoneman Slips 80 Infield 89 Short 80 Outfield 75

Mid on - Overton Slips 75 Infield 88 Short 75 Outfield 85

Fine leg - Broad Slips 75 Infield 87 Short 75 Outfield 88

It doesn't bother me that much, maybe when you start getting Starc or Broad at short leg. It's one area of the game where I trust that the AI will put the best fielders in the right place and when I've seen two dropped catches since I got the game it doesn't seem to make much difference.

 

[Llewelynf]

It doesn't bother me that much, maybe when you start getting Starc or Broad at short leg. It's one area of the game where I trust that the AI will put the best fielders in the right place and when I've seen two dropped catches since I got the game it doesn't seem to make much difference.

My issue is AI uses this method and for immersion in my opinion, its a killer when AB is fine leg and rabada, philander and morkel are slips. During beta's early days we could not get Steve Smith to field anywhere but fine leg. Turns out is outfield was 99, so no matter what any other skill was he would always field there. I remember @Dutch in particular hating that. I suggested lowering outfield to 90 and voila, fixed.

 

[Kass D]

Seriously????
Go back to where youre from. I am trying to help out and you come here making stupid suggestions. And no in a test, 1st ball I would not have a third man.

Dude chill. 70% of the time you start with the 3rd man and remove mid off asking the batsman to drive. Seriously you guys need to deal down the aggression abit

 

[wasteyouryouth]

My issue is AI uses this method and for immersion in my opinion, its a killer when AB is fine leg and rabada, philander and morkel are slips. During beta's early days we could not get Steve Smith to field anywhere but fine leg. Turns out is outfield was 99, so no matter what any other skill was he would always field there. I remember @Dutch in particular hating that. I suggested lowering outfield to 90 and voila, fixed.

Maybe THAT doesn't bother me. I guess it's more a case of it doesn't bother me enough to go through teams and fix. Although I'm sure I have rage quit a game to go and fix in the academy and start over. When I created the World Cup 92 sides and generally went off the principle that bowlers field outside the circle and batsman field inside or at slips it in general worked out nicely.

On the point of immersion, I completely agree. It's where having top three field positions for players would be good. Or even preferred position in a fielder zone (inner, outfield etc) With skill rating for a fielding zone breaking the tie. Although I could conceive of issues with that if there were too many clashes.

 

[Kass D]

With 15 yrs of first class cricket behind me this is what i suggest for a test opening field.

Fine leg

3rd man

1st slip

3rd slip (the way this game runs i fell 1 slip or 3rd can catch whatever 2nd would catch)

Gully

Point

Extra cover

Mid on

Square leg

Now what i asking the bowlers is to keep it just out side or on off stump and i want the batsman to drive with no mid on.

I am sure this field will not work all the time but i think its realistic and have some solid lojic behind it.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

With 15 yrs of first class cricket behind me this is what i suggest for a test opening field.

Fine leg

3rd man

1st slip

3rd slip (the way this game runs i fell 1 slip or 3rd can catch whatever 2nd would catch)

Gully

Point

Extra cover

Mid on

Square leg

Now what i asking the bowlers is to keep it just out side or on off stump and i want the batsman to drive with no mid on.

I am sure this field will not work all the time but i think its realistic and have some solid lojic behind it.

I do agree that having adjacent slips is not needed on the game (I usually got 1-3-5-7-9 or 2-4-6-8) but two slips for a test match opening field is absurd.

 

[Llewelynf]

With 15 yrs of first class cricket behind me this is what i suggest for a test opening field.

Fine leg

3rd man

1st slip

3rd slip (the way this game runs i fell 1 slip or 3rd can catch whatever 2nd would catch)

Gully

Point

Extra cover

Mid on

Square leg

Now what i asking the bowlers is to keep it just out side or on off stump and i want the batsman to drive with no mid on.

I am sure this field will not work all the time but i think its realistic and have some solid lojic behind it.

To be honest, this conversation is not about YOUR suggestions on fields but how to get specific players to field in specific positions. Either add to that or start your own thread

 

[Kass D]

Third man was not used once in the first 15 overs for either side in any innings during the SA vs Aus series. So go learn proper cricket before your folly becomes infectious here little man. Maybe in Sri Lankan first class where seam movement apparently does not exist, but not where cricket happens.

Well to be honest in Sri Lanka we dont have that much bouce of the wicket but there is seam for sure. All i am saying is its not uncommon to start with 3rd man. I played in India for a year and Bangladesh for abit too and my personal experience is you always start with 3rd man. I suppose its subjective and yes i agree in Australia or south Africa may not use 3rd man. I was just suggesting something we do in our part of the world [DOUBLEPOST=1522868422][/DOUBLEPOST]

To be honest, this conversation is not about YOUR suggestions on fields but how to get specific players to field in specific positions. Either add to that or start your own thread

My bad ! Am sorry