Australia Team Discussion

Ian Chappel made a good point by pointing out that if the leadership group was in on it, there is a high possibility that the next potential leader was a part of that group.
 
 
CerealKiller said:
Osman Samiuddin always comes up with genius articles. This is the best one.
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Seriously epic one! And within that article, he posts links to other articles and to videos of incidents that substantiate Australia's messed up moral culture (where they feel entitled to give it back, but can't accept receiving it back). If you read through those articles and watch those videos, it rips right into the heart of the Australian cricketing culture.

And the irony is that, we have been hearing in the past few days about how Australians uphold a very high standard of moral conduct and how the CA has dished out a punishment that other boards wouldn't have even thought of. :rolleyes TBH, their "convict origin" and how that's leading to increased instances of them trying to skirt with the laws and have a bullying culture that has permeated their system, has not been truly fleshed out in the media. As the world is moving towards a generation where media (especially social media) can strip you naked, Australia's now infamous culture is slowly starting to get exposed.

Frankly, due to all the media attention this scandal and the Aussie sledging has received in the past week and month, Australian cricketers will keep quiet for now. But we've not hit the end of this. I am sure that once the dust settles down, some other Australian cricketer will resume back duties of trying to sledge the opposition and also try to skirt with the laws. They either need someone to give them a cultural shock, or for the higher powers to rap them hard on their knuckles AS A NATION collectively.
 
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Should We blame Mcgrath, Steve Waugh, Ponting, Gilchrist and all other late 90's to 2000's Australian Cricket legends that they shouldn't have such consistent wins and rule the cricketing world for almost over a decade? Australia was way ahead of its time in those years while other top teams were still struggling to cope-up with the game's pace. Past 5 years or so, The other top teams raised their game standards and took it to the top, Adapted to new era while Australia not only having intense matches with these days teams but also it appears that somehow in the back of their minds they are still living in that Rule World Era which is gone now. The once Right to win every game has now converted into Stubbornness to Win. Perhaps, the gap between these two mind-sets compelling them to do the desperate tactics. Feel sorry for the players...

Must give credit to Australian Cricket Board to act on Principles rather than favoritism much like which happens in India and Pakistan that they favor their star players to an unlimited extent no matter what wrong they do. Other cricket boards should learn from this example. Must give credit to these banned players as well Smith and Bancroft to admit their mistakes right away.
 
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Rehan_24 said:
Should We blame Mcgrath, Steve Waugh, Ponting, Gilchrist and all other late 90's to 2000's Australian Cricket legends that they shouldn't have such consistent wins and rule the cricketing world for almost over a decade? Australia was way ahead of its time in those years while other top teams were still struggling to cope-up with the game's pace. Past 5 years or so, The other top teams raised their game standards and took it to the top, Adapted to new era while Australia not only having intense matches with these days teams but also it appears that somehow in the back of their minds they are still living in that Rule World Era which is gone now. The once Right to win every game has now converted into Stubbornness to Win. Perhaps, the gap between these two mind-sets compelling them to do the desperate tactics. Feel sorry for the players...

Must give credit to Australian Cricket Board to act on Principles rather than favoritism much like which happens in India and Pakistan that they favor their star players to an unlimited extent no matter what wrong they do. Other cricket boards should learn from this example. Must give credit to these banned players as well Smith and Bancroft to admit their mistakes right away.
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Nobody discredits the wins of the famed Australian team of the late 90's and 2000's. We have just been saying that the culture of 'win at all costs even if it means resorting to highly deplorable tactics like mental disintegration, e.g. pulling opposition's personal lives and talking about it on the field, claiming catches when its clear you did not take it, etc." is what they have passed down the upcoming generations and that's the reason why the world is loathing at Australia right now. Now it begs the question as to whether that team of the 2000's were so good because of their skills or they were significantly helped by all these tactics. When you mentally disintegrate the opponent and succeed at it, naturally you will look dominant and powerful. That's how that team looked like at the time.
 
SaiSrini said:
Nobody discredits the wins of the famed Australian team of the late 90's and 2000's. We have just been saying that the culture of 'win at all costs even if it means resorting to highly deplorable tactics like mental disintegration, e.g. pulling opposition's personal lives and talking about it on the field, claiming catches when its clear you did not take it, etc." is what they have passed down the upcoming generations and that's the reason why the world is loathing at Australia right now. Now it begs the question as to whether that team of the 2000's were so good because of their skills or they were significantly helped by all these tactics. When you mentally disintegrate the opponent and succeed at it, naturally you will look dominant and powerful. That's how that team looked like at the time.
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I think mental disintegration can work to an extent it doesn't allow you to rule for a decade ruthlessly. I believe It was more of skill excellence back in those years and they get a pack of living legends who born once in centuries altogether, A same like the golden era of West Indies back in the 70's and 80's. When you are powerful you are aggressive, I did happen though that all other teams made a fuss of it and used to be quite psychologically down when facing Australia with the mindset that we are gonna loose. It was the winning dominance of Australia which played huge part. They were ahead of that time, A similar case we can say when Sanath Jaysuria started to change the game of first 15 overs back in 96, He was ahead of his time and bowlers were frustrated how he is doing it while Sanath changed the way innings used to open.
 
SaiSrini said:
Now it begs the question as to whether that team of the 2000's were so good because of their skills or they were significantly helped by all these tactics. When you mentally disintegrate the opponent and succeed at it, naturally you will look dominant and powerful. That's how that team looked like at the time.
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I am sorry but its a lame excuse in my humble opinion. Australia was clearly ahead because of the powerhouse skills they possessed with superstar players who born once in centuries were playing together. The power and dominance emerges when you win matches rather than tactics. I don't think so tactics can play such significant part. It was their sheer hardwork and innovation in the game play and game awareness which made them ahead of other teams 100 times in those days. Remember, the number of times their batting gave match winning performances out of nowhere. I can remember How Wasim Akram was frustrated when Gilchrist hit him four straight boundaries in hobart test match when Akram tried every other variety he had in that situation which was eventually one of the finest test match winning knocks in history. They were just too good to believe.

Those were real cricket tactics than any other thing. Today, Australia's skill and talent is not up-to that mark and rest of the teams have upgraded their skills as well to modern day cricket. The leagues have played a big part in batting performance of all major world cricketing teams. Hence its might getting tough for Aussies to digest all this competition as they had a long winning streak habit. They are current World Cup winners anyway though despite not at that top level we should remember
 
Now that there is a void in the middle order, can we please get GEORGE BAILEY back?

He can captain the team, as well as is a very very handy batsman.
 
Yash. said:
Now that there is a void in the middle order, can we please get GEORGE BAILEY back?

He can captain the team, as well as is a very very handy batsman.
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If only they would bring him back, he's the only player in the team who is capable of captaining Australia successfully besides Warner and Smith
 
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Australias ODI Team should look like this

Finch
Head/ Lynn
Carey (wk)
Bailey (c)
Marsh
Maxwell
Stoinis
Cummins
Starc
Hazlewood
Tye

Maxwell will need to bowl a lot because he should be the only spinner, zampa isn't good anymore. Marsh Stoinis and Maxwell share 10 between the 3 of them and the 4 quicks bowl their 10 unless they're expensive and the 3 allrounders need to bowl an over or 2 extra.

This looks like the best odi XI imo until Smith and Warner come back. Paine is an excellent keeper but his ability with the bat is lacking imo and it doesn't look like he can score quickly



Australia test team
Renshaw
Burns (until someone else steps up)
Handscomb (terrific player, technique just messes him up)
?
Maxwell
M marsh
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Hazlewood

No Khawaja, no s marsh. Did nothing in the SA series.
 
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