Australia tour of South Africa 2018

[LiveLoveABD]

It's good that he has opened up, but no body involved in this, including Smith, would have thought he would drag everyone into the scene.



It is obvious that complete team was aware of this. When things go wrong, the guy who gets caught is expected to take responsibility on him and save the prestige of his team, which Bancroft didn't. It's your foolishness to not understand my point precisely.



Oh yes, I never check cricket related news.

What I meant was unless they *impose* some sort of ban, Cricket Australia is not going to take big steps.

First of all, check your language when you post. I can come out with a post smoking back barrels at you, but I have some class and don't want to get involved in an argument of name calling. What you're saying is understood by me but what you're not recognising is the fact that had Bancroft taken everything upon himself acquitting everyone else, his career would have been over and most importantly he would have been shelved as a cheat for good. We all want to be remembered as something once we're gone. He did what any 25 year old would have done- Save his own rear end.

 

[Satan666]

Tbh all these discussions and people asking for a life ban for them is insane and absurd. Rules are/should be same for everyone, it's like a guy has to pay a fine for slapping someone while the other is hanged for the same. In all such previous cases, people were fined so why should there be a different punishment for these guys like a life ban? Biggest punishment these guys already got is they'll always be tagged a cheat no matter how great their careers go from here and have lost everyone's respect including their own self respect plus what they've been going through emotionally is nothing less than a year ban. People do make mistakes.

The difference with this and say the Tendulkar in 2001 incident is that was all planned, premeditated bringing a foreign object to affect the conditon of the ball.

The underlying factor also is how severe of a punishment will curtail them from attempting to cheat in the future.

Its a heinous act that warrants a lifetime ban but I agree they shouldnt be ban for life, perhaps 5 or so test matches will suffice for me. That being said the people of Australia are certainly hurt and embarassed, as a neutral wont feel comfortable at all watching them play.

 

[Satan666]

The article to the link you've posted points to a theory which says Warner was the chief instigator in this controversy. I am not surprised to hear that, and if that's true, Warner deserves the biggest punishment or atleast the same as Steve Smith. Warner's behavior this entire tour has been absolutely 'deplorable' and he has created an infamous name for himself by indulging in silly and unwanted sledging acts. And he always finds some tool to hide behind when the focus comes onto him.

I am eagerly awaiting to see what the CA investigates of David Warner's role in this saga and what treatment they mete out to him.

Never a fan of his cricket or attitude but I cant help but think he might be used as a scapegoat for the captain and coach, just a feeling though.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Tbh all these discussions and people asking for a life ban for them is insane and absurd. Rules are/should be same for everyone, it's like a guy has to pay a fine for slapping someone while the other is hanged for the same. In all such previous cases, people were fined so why should there be a different punishment for these guys like a life ban? Biggest punishment these guys already got is they'll always be tagged a cheat no matter how great their careers go from here and have lost everyone's respect including their own self respect plus what they've been going through emotionally is nothing less than a year ban. People do make mistakes.

People are not asking for life ban, the Australia integrity committee has set a life ban policy in such behavior method. Although no one will get life ban as its SMITH the best Australian player, the god, the man who cannot do anything wrong. Also although its not similar to fixing and ICC does not consider Ball Tampering a major punishable offense, the intent to cheat and discussing that we will cheat in team meeting and executing it is plan well made. Any intent to cheat and bring game to disrupt should be highly punishable. Also Bancroft hiding is evidence tampering. Not acceptable and should not be.

As Harbhajan Singh said 6 of them were banned in 2001 for excessive appealing, the monkeygate where nothing was proved where he was banned for 3 matches and Smith who admits of organizing a cheat in the game should not get away with 1 match ban.

A criminal who intends to perform a crime and is caught while doing so wont be able to get away easily as he still is a criminal.

 

[Dutch]

It all boils down to this arrogant attitude wherein they have become to believe in their own righteousness and thought that that would be enough. I think they are genuinely shocked at the backlash: don’t forget that Smith was voted Australian of the year just a few months ago and Warner has always been seen as the typical brash Aussie.....I hope they get hit hard, very hard for all their hypocritical bullshit.

 

[Satan666]

It all boils down to this arrogant attitude wherein they have become to believe in their own righteousness and thought that that would be enough. I think they are genuinely shocked at the backlash: don’t forget that Smith was voted Australian of the year just a few months ago and Warner has always been seen as the typical brash Aussie.....I hope they get hard, very hard for all their hypocritical bullshit.

This. You nailed it perfectly.

Since following cricket Ive always seen the Aussie batsmen claim dropped catches, nic the ball and never walk, bully opposing teams. They have walked the line but this time around theyve certainly crossed it!

 

[Satan666]

People are not asking for life ban, the Australia integrity committee has set a life ban policy in such behavior method. Although no one will get life ban as its SMITH the best Australian player, the god, the man who cannot do anything wrong. Also although its not similar to fixing and ICC does not consider Ball Tampering a major punishable offense, the intent to cheat and discussing that we will cheat in team meeting and executing it is plan well made. Any intent to cheat and bring game to disrupt should be highly punishable. Also Bancroft hiding is evidence tampering. Not acceptable and should not be.

As Harbhajan Singh said 6 of them were banned in 2001 for excessive appealing, the monkeygate where nothing was proved where he was banned for 3 matches and Smith who admits of organizing a cheat in the game should not get away with 1 match ban.

A criminal who intends to perform a crime and is caught while doing so wont be able to get away easily as he still is a criminal.

Wow, amazing post! Excellent, couldnt agree more.

 

[silentuk]

Seems to me the ICC have imposed the penalties that they can based on the category of the offence and the evidence they have in relation to who was involved. It's the Cricket Australia investigation that will most likely lead to harsher punishment.

The ball tampering is almost secondary here. It's the conspiracy to cheat that I think CA will consider the most serious thing. A spur of the moment decision to gouge at a seam with your thumbnail is one thing but holding a meeting to hatch a plan is something else entirely. Looking at the feedback from Australia it's clear that the overwhelming reaction is one of embarrassment and anger and CA know their brand is in serious trouble back home and in complete tatters abroad. For this reason I would expect some harsh punishments. They need to clean house and fast. I haven't looked up Australia's schedule for their winter but I would be amazed if punishments handed out would enable the ringleaders to return in time for their next summer.

I would expect lengthy suspensions to be handed out certainly to Smith, Warner and Bancroft with Smith being stripped of the captaincy. Lehman has to be sacked also. I also wouldn't be surprised to see suspensions handed out to other players and coaches too. It's hard to believe that a plan that was designed to help the bowlers was dreamt up and implemented by 3 batsmen, a coach who was a batsman, with no bowler input at all. What will be interesting is if it turns out that virtually everyone was involved. Will CA have the bottle to suspend everyone? Sutherland sort of implied they would. The fact that Paine was given the captaincy out of nowhere makes me wonder if CA aren't very confident of finding many innocent parties.

Tomorrow should be an interesting day.

 

[stefan]

The ICC were weak. They could have charged them with bringing the game into disrepute which has a lot heavier penalties then just ball tampering. The attempt to cover up the ball tampering would clearly fall under this.

 

[Llewelynf]

Everything I am reading suggests one year ban and stripping of captaincy permanently. But he will still be free to play elsewhere. This will only be a CA sanction. Same for Warner.

 

[Satan666]

On a side note, anyone else liking my avatar?

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

A very good video for folks who are not aware exactly how it unfolded. Steven Smith saying Darren did not knew about this and Darren walkie talking in to Handscomb just goes to show his involvement. Also Ian Chappel is absolutely right, all the players would have known this and the next leader would have been involved too, a fresh team perhaps? I am more disappointed seeing youngsters getting into this and not using their brains. Bancroft was involved and now the walkie talkie incident means Handscomb too tried to hide the evidence which again in real world is criminal offense.

 

[Prithvi]

First of all, check your language when you post. I can come out with a post smoking back barrels at you, but I have some class and don't want to get involved in an argument of name calling.

You may use the "Report" option if you have problem with my posts to someone and you don't have to teach me here on what I must be talking.

And probably you must also preach your thoughts to everyone who does that, not just me.

What you're saying is understood by me but what you're not recognising is the fact that had Bancroft taken everything upon himself acquitting everyone else, his career would have been over and most importantly he would have been shelved as a cheat for good. We all want to be remembered as something once we're gone. He did what any 25 year old would have done- Save his own rear end.

So do you think I would be thinking Bancroft will be given a red carpet entry everywhere if he had taken everything on himself?

Probably you haven't done any mischief in your life and hence you don't know the team ethics in these cases.

FYI- if you're doing something wrong as a team and if you get caught, you are expected not to act like a saint and put across the names of everyone involved.

Just an example- it's obvious that Lehmann is also involved in the story, did Steve Smith pull him in?

Bancroft alone doing mishief would not have created so much of a scene here. The max he could have got it a 1 match ban with match fee and things would have fallen into place slowly, without all the controversy that is around.

 

[Satan666]

You may use the "Report" option if you have problem with my posts to someone and you don't have to teach me here on what I must be talking.

And probably you must also preach your thoughts to everyone who does that, not just me.



So do you think I would be thinking Bancroft will be given a red carpet entry everywhere if he had taken everything on himself?

Probably you haven't done any mischief in your life and hence you don't know the team ethics in these cases.

FYI- if you're doing something wrong as a team and if you get caught, you are expected not to act like a saint and put across the names of everyone involved.

Just an example- it's obvious that Lehmann is also involved in the story, did Steve Smith pull him in?

Bancroft alone doing mishief would not have created so much of a scene here. The max he could have got it a 1 match ban with match fee and things would have fallen into place slowly, without all the controversy that is around.

I got that guy on ignore. Just ignore him, makes your stay on this board better.

Word on the street is that Lehman will step down as coach within the next 24hrs. Seems his name came up in the investigations probably Bangerz decided to continue telling the truth, how wrong of him.

 

[Saeglopur]

Everything I am reading suggests one year ban and stripping of captaincy permanently. But he will still be free to play elsewhere. This will only be a CA sanction. Same for Warner.

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