Australian ODI tour of the United Kingdom and Ireland, June-July 2010

[Robelinda]

If you win defending 213 you have dodged a MAJOR bullet. I thought we could win it at the end but we really havent shown enough form with the bat to be deserving winners, we have been truly awful. The bowlers cant always get the batsmen out of trouble.

 

[Owzat]

Wow what brilliance by England, love the look/attitude of this side.

As much as I bag on Bresnan, his batting has been invaluable of late.

You mean he put together just enough runs for England to scramble home after a pitiful collapse. He owed England the runs after his bowling performance, he and Wright need to be removed from the team straight away. The occaisional little that they do is not enough. Drop Wright and bring in a proper batsman, wouldn't then need tailend "heroics" from a bowler come all-rounder that can't bowl or really bat that much. Drop Bresnan and bring in a proper bowler and we might not need him to scrape together said last ditch runs.

Shame Strauss' batting was overshadowed by the collapse and a simple win turned into a struggle. People shouldn't get too confident over England's chances down under, that happened last time. Beating the aussies here in ODIs and/or Tests is one thing, bowling them out down under requires quality bowling and we ain't got that. Anderson struggles overseas, Bresnan is poor, Sidebottom hasn't clicked since his injury and Broad is a decent ODI bowler but yet to cut it in Tests on a regular basis. Swann has yet to bowl down under and no doubt by the time England get there we will be back to five bowler theory and bowled out for less than 200 half the time - just like in 06/07.

England's batting isn't strong enough to make most of their batting tracks, their concentration too often faulters. The bowling will be tasty pickings for the aussies, we had the chance to put in Shazhad or Finn against them but chose not to, they may be lambs to the slaughter as the aussies out of form now won't necessarily be so come the winter. You should never write off the aussies, any more than you should put England down for a winning Ashes tour

 

[Sahil 7]

England Won :banana2 Different Result from last years series last time Aussie Were Leading The series But This Time Different Story England Leading :banana2 Hope They Will Win By 5-0

 

[aussie1st]

Why Watson didn't bowl the last over we'll never know. His bowling may not be on song this tour but he's got a fantastic final over record with a mix of slower balls and quicker ones with reverse swing at the end.....

His bowling has been off lately so it would have been a punt anyway. Smith looked like the best bet and given how the spinners were going on the pitch he was the better bet.

 

[TumTum]

His bowling has been off lately so it would have been a punt anyway. Smith looked like the best bet and given how the spinners were going on the pitch he was the better bet.

I'm sorry to say this Syl but Smith is really crap. I was hoping to see more of him with every match that has gone by, he just doesn't look like making any impact. He just bowls too flat and I have not seen any noticeable variation he has bowled.

Tbh I would rather have the current Warne bowling than the current Smith.

 

[ajdude]

I'm sorry to say this Syl but Smith is really crap. I was hoping to see more of him with every match that has gone by, he just doesn't look like making any impact. He just bowls too flat and I have not seen any noticeable variation he has bowled.

Tbh I would rather have the current Warne bowling than the current Smith.

He took 2/34 from 9 overs you dolt, I'd take that in an ODI as a leggie, haha.

 

[drainpipe32]

Tee hee! TumTum a bit dumbdumb

But I maintain that Smith shouldn't be playing LOI's.

 

[TumTum]

But I maintain that Smith shouldn't be playing LOI's.

Then what should he be playing?

ajdude both those wickets were a gift, he didn't threaten the batsmen at all.

 

[drainpipe32]

FC cricket, he's still got a lot of work to do on his bowling. As I said before playing the shorter formats will only ruin his test bowling style.

 

[aussie1st]

I'm sorry to say this Syl but Smith is really crap. I was hoping to see more of him with every match that has gone by, he just doesn't look like making any impact. He just bowls too flat and I have not seen any noticeable variation he has bowled.

His leggies are still a few years off but hes more than good enough to get on batting alone. Hes one of the few batsmen that actually looks in good touch.

 

[sifter132]

Bowlers did a good job, Tait gave the attack that x-factor to spark the collapse we saw. Although Hopes was average, may as well play Hazlewood over him with this series now a dead rubber. Not too much we can do in the batting as all our main guys are failing. Smith looks to be one of the few batters in form so maybe move him up to give him more time.

It was a shame Harris wasn't quite on song yesterday because Tait and Bollinger were and Smith was pretty good too. So we had 3 good performers but Harris couldn't quite get it right and Hopes and Clarke were easily targettable.

On Hopes, the English don't seem to have to much respect for him - and why would they? He bowls 120kph, rarely mixes his pace, gets no movement and skids onto the bat nicely because he's not real tall. If he's not BANG on target he's crap. Good in middle overs when the other team is trying to not lose wickets - but that's it. He's really seen as a decent ODI bowler mainly because he can bat - if he batted like Glenn McGrath he'd be nowhere near the team.

Awful stuff from us, though some credit for a pretty great late bowling performance, but poor before the collapse. Not good at all, we have got completely rolled by England, that middle order must be changed.

Yeah at 3/170-odd we have to do better. Hussey's usually money for us late and it would take some getting used to if he's going to slump again. But what can we do? White and Hussey have been great in the last year or 2, they are just out of touch right now.

Yes. He was the only man that could have won the match for us.

Anyways Watson didn't bowl all match, why would you let him bowl the last over? He would not have done better than Hopes.

Yeah, coming in cold for the last over would have been a big call. Generally, Watto would have bowled there though, whether he's injured or they just gave him the game off, dunno.

For me, once the runs needed for that last over got under 6, I would have gone with Smith because you could almost guarantee Bresnan was going to try and finish it with one big shot - and that's the main drawback with spinners at the end, susceptible to 6s. If you're only defending 3, it doesn't matter much. I reckon Smith was more likely to induce a mishit than Hopes, plus with a spinner on you don't need a 3rd man or fine leg back which might have made a difference.

Shame Strauss' batting was overshadowed by the collapse and a simple win turned into a struggle.r

He shoulda been out in the 12th over for about 20-odd Clarke had him plumb LBW... Oh well. I get the impression Strauss will always look good in those kind of chases when he doesn't have to do too much. When England has to chase 325, then there might be some issues.

 

[Robelinda]

Hard to know what to do, this was our first series defeat after 7 series wins in a row. I guess we'll see after the India games in a few months, probably harsh to make changes, but our team doesnt look all that threatening on paper, though 40 or so more runs from the middle order and all 3 games would be very different.

 

[angryangy]

Australia look way better on paper than they do in game, with four batsmen averaging 40 or more. In fact, the basic series stats don't tell much between the teams either. The stories are eerily familiar of last year, with the difference lying not in consistency so much as bursts of performance.

In the first match, Morgan's hundred was the monolith in the desert, supported only by 20s and 30s, with no great wicket takers in the first innings. It was in reply to a similar innings by Clarke, supported by 20s and 30s, but it was effectively 20-30 runs behind the pace.

In the second, it was Broad's 4/44 that kept knocking Australia back from a good score; nobody else took multiple wickets. White produced that core knock and it was closer to the pace of the wicket, but many batsmen failed to get going and support it; instead it was more that these contributions were 20-30 runs too short. With Harris injured, it could be expected that it was to be Australia's least effective bowling effort and the chase of 239 was measured rather than dominant.

In the third, Swann's 4/37 was key to keeping the upper middle order quiet and exposing the tail, after the openers had put forward a very good stand. In reply, Strauss was 40 runs clear of the next best scorer and there were a number of ducks beneath those minor scores.

The third was easily Australia's best roll at a win, but also easily their worst batting performance. If someone could produce a century in 100 balls, or at least a very fast 80 odd, it may well prove unbeatable.

 

[drainpipe32]

It was a shame Harris wasn't quite on song yesterday because Tait and Bollinger were and Smith was pretty good too. So we had 3 good performers but Harris couldn't quite get it right and Hopes and Clarke were easily targettable.

On Hopes, the English don't seem to have to much respect for him - and why would they? He bowls 120kph, rarely mixes his pace, gets no movement and skids onto the bat nicely because he's not real tall. If he's not BANG on target he's crap. Good in middle overs when the other team is trying to not lose wickets - but that's it. He's really seen as a decent ODI bowler mainly because he can bat - if he batted like Glenn McGrath he'd be nowhere near the team.



Yeah at 3/170-odd we have to do better. Hussey's usually money for us late and it would take some getting used to if he's going to slump again. But what can we do? White and Hussey have been great in the last year or 2, they are just out of touch right now.



Yeah, coming in cold for the last over would have been a big call. Generally, Watto would have bowled there though, whether he's injured or they just gave him the game off, dunno.

For me, once the runs needed for that last over got under 6, I would have gone with Smith because you could almost guarantee Bresnan was going to try and finish it with one big shot - and that's the main drawback with spinners at the end, susceptible to 6s. If you're only defending 3, it doesn't matter much. I reckon Smith was more likely to induce a mishit than Hopes, plus with a spinner on you don't need a 3rd man or fine leg back which might have made a difference.



He shoulda been out in the 12th over for about 20-odd Clarke had him plumb LBW... Oh well. I get the impression Strauss will always look good in those kind of chases when he doesn't have to do too much. When England has to chase 325, then there might be some issues.

TBF to Hussey he's never really slumped in ODI's. White's going alright now, it's just that he's always coming in to high pressure situations which is curbing his playing style.

I'll add more in a minute, just gotta use the loo :laugh

 

[ZexyZahid]

For the 4th ODI: both teams are playing with unchanged players.

England won the toss and elected to field.