Australian ODI tour of the United Kingdom and Ireland, June-July 2010

[Themer]

Although it doesn't seem like an impossible score, they're not a well proven side in such chases.

Huh?

England are great usually at chases. In there last eight games they've chased 7 times winning all.

I think England would struggle significantly more if they had to set a target.

 

[pcfan123]

If Morgan falls its over, he has to stay till the end now

 

[Brook]

This just proves to me, Yardy has to be higher in the batting order than he has been. Or exactly where he batted today, basically

 

[aussie1st]

With Tait bowling so well, it's going to be interesting seeing who Johnson comes in for. I would have him over Hopes and leave the spin up to Smith. In India you might want Smith plus another spinner so either Bollinger or Harris would have to miss out if we wanted to keep Tait.

 

[War]

With Tait bowling so well, it's going to be interesting seeing who Johnson comes in for. I would have him over Hopes and leave the spin up to Smith. In India you might want Smith plus another spinner so either Bollinger or Harris would have to miss out if we wanted to keep Tait.

Yea it will be interesting indeed. But i have a sneaky feeling Harris may be the man to miss out for future ODI XIs.

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This just proves to me, Yardy has to be higher in the batting order than he has been. Or exactly where he batted today, basically

Yea. But only problem i still have is that he was basically batting in a lost cause.

If England where in with a shot to chase this 290 or maybe in future game are batting 1st, and need to slog out in the last 10 overs. This is where i reckon his non-big hitting ability will become a problem for the ODI side.

 

[TumTum]

31.4 to Wright, 86.8 kph, bowled round his legs! Smith has been getting really nice drift, and this has just curved slightly down the leg side and then spun back across to strike the middle and leg stumps. Wright tried to clip to leg but the drift took the ball away from the bat, and some spin did the rest! Another one down for England 151/6

Ponting and Clarke finally making runs, good to see before the Test matches. I still want to see Hazlewood playing though

 

[rocky_g]

Good victory for Australia. Ponting coming back to form is not a good sign for Pakistan.

 

[drainpipe32]

Smith, legend haha. Pwned Clarke.

Ribbed for Ponting, really wanted to see him ton up. Still the world's best batsman when on song.

 

[AkshayS]

Finally a win for Australia, great cameo played by Yardy and Morgan but wasn't enough.

 

[angryangy]

Huh?

England are great usually at chases. In there last eight games they've chased 7 times winning all.

I think England would struggle significantly more if they had to set a target.

This hopefully explains what I meant. England prefer to win the game with their bowling rather than their batting. As the chases get bigger, all teams tend to do worse, but England more so than most sides. They don't often have to chase such scores and they don't really play their best when they have to. It's just not their style, which is why I shake my head when they go defensive in the field. If the bowling doesn't have enough attacking options, then they really need to think about that.

 

[Owzat]

This just proves to me, Yardy has to be higher in the batting order than he has been. Or exactly where he batted today, basically

I have found myself doubting over Yardy because England bat him so low.

Why they bat Wright at all I don't know, according to some on here he isn't picked for his bowling yet he rarely bats higher than number seven in the order, with some innings as pinch-hitter, has a HS of just 52 and I'm not sure what exact role he is supposed to be filling since he isn't filling any role with any runs/wickets. I've already highlighted why Bresnan shouldn't be in the side, here's a breakdown of the wrong kind of Wright

LJ Wright (36 ODIS)

Inns : 26
Not Out : 2
Runs : 515
Ave : 21.46
HS : 52
50s : 2

Balls : 726
Runs : 626
Wkts : 14
Ave : 44.71
SR : 51.86
ER : 5.17
BB : 2/34



Just a something of nothing batsman who bowls occaisional and sometimes useful medium pace. Not much point analysing his bowling, it is useful but not enough to give him proper all-rounder status. It is his batting, or the limited usefulness of his batting that worries me

vs BAN/IRE : 75 runs @ 37.50
vs AUS/SAF/NZE/IND : 440 runs @ 20.00

And if he is in as a batsman who can bowl a bit, why have 12 of his innings been at number seven?!?!?

Opener : 6 inns, 107 runs @ 17.83 (HS 52)
No 6 : 7 inns, 132 runs @ 26.40
No 7 : 12 inns, 259 runs @ 21.58
No 8 : 1 inns, 17 runs @ 17.00

Seems England want to include him, but don't have a real use/purpose for him to fulfil. Batting seven he won't have much chance to score big runs, not that I accept that as a defence for a poor record for someone who is in the side to bat - at least I have no choice but to assume that is his why he is picked. He had a good chance to make some runs in the last three ODIs, failed (10, 0 and 2). He's like our very own Shahid Afridi, great strike rate but how much use is that when you're averaging in the low 20s?!?!? He last scored a fifty TWO YEARS AGO.

You don't win matches by having a batsman at six or seven in the order who averages 20, doesn't score many 50s and doesn't bowl enough to warrant a place on that score. We need an all-rounder or keeper at seven, not mr 'can bat a bit, can bowl a bit'. I'm not suggesting we would be the best side in the world without him, or indeed Bresnan, but we could do with players in the side who contribute more. The problem with the batting order is it runs deep but with no strength, and both Wright and Bresnan are a waste of places

COMBINED CONTRIBUTIONS OF BRESNAN & WRIGHT

AUS 1st ODI : 63 runs, 2/83
AUS 2nd ODI : 22 runs, 1/82
AUS 3rd ODI : 14 runs, 0/57
AUS 4th ODI : 24 runs, 1/66

OK 1st ODI, not enough runs or wickets combined last three for ONE player let alone two combined. Drop Bresnan for a bowler, bring in a proper batsman for Wright and the side will look better balanced.

Say :

Strauss
Kieswetter (wk)
Pietersen
Morgan
Collingwood
Shah/Bopara
Yardy
Swann
Broad
Shazhad/Finn
Anderson

Doesn't have to be those in bold but someone of similar type/batting and bowling ability

Nothing Wright can do that Shah or Bopara, or some other batsman can't do. Shazhad or Finn or Sidebottom or n.e.one could surely do better than Bresnan. Sure it is nice if a bowler can bat a bit like Bresnan, but I get the feeling both are in because they can hit big except they don't hit big enough to justify their place with no regard for other factors (like Bresnan's bowling)

 

[drainpipe32]

You know 've always assumed Angy barracked for the Aussies without any actual reason.

Do you?

 

[Iridium]

Smith, legend haha. Pwned Clarke.

Ribbed for Ponting, really wanted to see him ton up. Still the world's best batsman when on song.

I too wanted Ponting to score a ton. Yes, he may not be as good as he was a couple of years ago, but he's still one of the best batsmen in world cricket. He's bound to have more failures now that he's getting to the tail end of his career.

What a shame for Clarke. 99 n.o. That'll suck...

 

[War]

I have found myself doubting over Yardy because England bat him so low.

Why they bat Wright at all I don't know, according to some on here he isn't picked for his bowling yet he rarely bats higher than number seven in the order, with some innings as pinch-hitter, has a HS of just 52 and I'm not sure what exact role he is supposed to be filling since he isn't filling any role with any runs/wickets. I've already highlighted why Bresnan shouldn't be in the side, here's a breakdown of the wrong kind of Wright

LJ Wright (36 ODIS)

Inns : 26
Not Out : 2
Runs : 515
Ave : 21.46
HS : 52
50s : 2

Balls : 726
Runs : 626
Wkts : 14
Ave : 44.71
SR : 51.86
ER : 5.17
BB : 2/34



Just a something of nothing batsman who bowls occaisional and sometimes useful medium pace. Not much point analysing his bowling, it is useful but not enough to give him proper all-rounder status. It is his batting, or the limited usefulness of his batting that worries me

vs BAN/IRE : 75 runs @ 37.50
vs AUS/SAF/NZE/IND : 440 runs @ 20.00

And if he is in as a batsman who can bowl a bit, why have 12 of his innings been at number seven?!?!?

Opener : 6 inns, 107 runs @ 17.83 (HS 52)
No 6 : 7 inns, 132 runs @ 26.40
No 7 : 12 inns, 259 runs @ 21.58
No 8 : 1 inns, 17 runs @ 17.00

Seems England want to include him, but don't have a real use/purpose for him to fulfil. Batting seven he won't have much chance to score big runs, not that I accept that as a defence for a poor record for someone who is in the side to bat - at least I have no choice but to assume that is his why he is picked. He had a good chance to make some runs in the last three ODIs, failed (10, 0 and 2). He's like our very own Shahid Afridi, great strike rate but how much use is that when you're averaging in the low 20s?!?!? He last scored a fifty TWO YEARS AGO.

You don't win matches by having a batsman at six or seven in the order who averages 20, doesn't score many 50s and doesn't bowl enough to warrant a place on that score. We need an all-rounder or keeper at seven, not mr 'can bat a bit, can bowl a bit'. I'm not suggesting we would be the best side in the world without him, or indeed Bresnan, but we could do with players in the side who contribute more. The problem with the batting order is it runs deep but with no strength, and both Wright and Bresnan are a waste of places

COMBINED CONTRIBUTIONS OF BRESNAN & WRIGHT

AUS 1st ODI : 63 runs, 2/83
AUS 2nd ODI : 22 runs, 1/82
AUS 3rd ODI : 14 runs, 0/57
AUS 4th ODI : 24 runs, 1/66

OK 1st ODI, not enough runs or wickets combined last three for ONE player let alone two combined. Drop Bresnan for a bowler, bring in a proper batsman for Wright and the side will look better balanced.

Say :

Strauss
Kieswetter (wk)
Pietersen
Morgan
Collingwood
Shah/Bopara
Yardy
Swann
Broad
Shazhad/Finn
Anderson

Doesn't have to be those in bold but someone of similar type/batting and bowling ability

Nothing Wright can do that Shah or Bopara, or some other batsman can't do. Shazhad or Finn or Sidebottom or n.e.one could surely do better than Bresnan. Sure it is nice if a bowler can bat a bit like Bresnan, but I get the feeling both are in because they can hit big except they don't hit big enough to justify their place with no regard for other factors (like Bresnan's bowling)

Brilliant analysis as usual sir. Can't believe i never thought of this before.

Such an XI with Flintoff not around to bat @ 6. Clearly is stronger than having Wright & Bresnan in their for sure.

Shah @ 6 makes the middle-order stronger, instead of having Wright their who is a bit hit & miss. Plus Collingwood bowling is just as strong for ODIs as Wright - so ENG wont be losing anything.

For the 3rd seamer spot. I probably would go for Sidebottom currently instead of Finn or Shazad, if he convinces Flower & co over his fitness.


But looking ahead to the 2011 WC, with Flintoff hopefully back then i think Wright would be useful:

Strauss
Kieswetter
KP
Colly
Sir Morgan
Flintoff
Wright
Yardy
Swann
Broad
Anderson

Bresnan/Sidebottom, Shah, Trott, Davies/Prior

Flintoff obviously will be the perfect 3rd seamer to backup Anderson/Broad. He will return to this role as strike bowler & death over specialist. Thus Wright could bat @#7 & presuming the top 6 sets up consistent scenarios wher Wright comes in with 10 overs to bat - he could be a very dangerous late overs slogger for sure.

 

[sifter132]

^Gotta agree with you boys, Wright in particular looks very dodgy with bat and Bresnan is nothing special either.

77 off the last 10 wasn't a good effort, especially when 24 came in the last 2. From a platform of 2/213, I would say that's precisely a failure to capitalise. Fortunately Smith introduced some counter-attack, because it was otherwise lacking in expansiveness.

I couldn't stop yelling at the TV. When England played 5 in the ring on the off side during the powerplay, Clarke and White ALWAYS backed away to leg and Broad and Anderson ALWAYS followed them with good results everytime. It was poor cricket from Clarke and White. White in particular since he's meant to be a good finisher.

With Tait bowling so well, it's going to be interesting seeing who Johnson comes in for. I would have him over Hopes and leave the spin up to Smith. In India you might want Smith plus another spinner so either Bollinger or Harris would have to miss out if we wanted to keep Tait.

Definitely Hopes out! And with Tait, I think he's going to have to be rotated in and out. I can't see him playing too many back to back ODIs in 5 x 2 over bursts each time. But that's kinda good since that will mean he can rotate in with Harris and Bollinger and hopefully Brett Lee, making them all hungry to grab their chance when they get a game.

I think my favourite 7-11 would be:
7 Smith/Hopes - depending on need for spin and Hauritz'z selection, but at the moment I say Smith > Hopes
8 Johnson
9 Hauritz/4th paceman
10 Harris/Tait/Lee/Bollinger
11 Harris/Tait/Lee/Bollinger

Add a Mr Nathan Bracken to that rotation if he has a good summer for NSW and possibly add Hilfy and Siddle if they learn how to bowl in ODIs, as well as the usual bevy of young up and coming fast bowlers eg. Hazlewood.