Australian Tour of India, October 2010/11

Can everyone stop going on about how Sachin has saved us all the time? Such ignorance towards someone who basically carried India's batting when Sachin was in and out with injuries or going through a ridiculously long lean patch- Rahul Dravid. What more does he have to do... Seriously, some people are just unbelievable.
 
Can everyone stop going on about how Sachin has saved us all the time? Such ignorance towards someone who basically carried India's batting when Sachin was in and out with injuries or going through a ridiculously long lean patch- Rahul Dravid. What more does he have to do... Seriously, some people are just unbelievable.

calm down RDF :p
 
Can everyone stop going on about how Sachin has saved us all the time? Such ignorance towards someone who basically carried India's batting when Sachin was in and out with injuries or going through a ridiculously long lean patch- Rahul Dravid. What more does he have to do... Seriously, some people are just unbelievable.

I think in last 2 years Sachin has made up for that lean patch... And What about your Rahul Dravid's 2 year long lean patch:eek:
In last two years, Sachin has scored 2068 runs at an avg of 71 with 9 centuries and 2 half centuries in just 20 matches. While dravid scored 1300 runs in 18 matches at an avg of 46 with just 4 hundreds.

Talking about lean patch, Sachin never really had a ridiculously long lean patch. Only in 2006 he was below par, scored at an avg of 25 in 8 matches and that too was when he was suffering from tennis elbow.
Before that it was 2003 where he just played 5 test matches and scored @ 17.

Now lets talk about dravid's lean patches.
2007, 10 matches @ 38
2008, 15 matches @ 31
2010 6 matche@ 36

Total centuries in last 4 years ?? 6

Sachin has scored 13 centuries in that period with 5 in this year alone.

Now if you gonna give argument that dravid performs better in matches won?
he avg 66.3 while sachin avg 66.53. So its neck and neck here.
In the matches india lost, he scored at paltry avg 26 while sachin managed at 36.

so yeah, Dravid is a great player but don't even think about comparing him to Sachin or upsetting about the fact that we are expecting Sachin to win this match whereas your Dravid has departed early in the innings.
 
I think in last 2 years Sachin has made up for that lean patch... And What about your Rahul Dravid's 2 year long lean patch:eek:
In last two years, Sachin has scored 2068 runs at an avg of 71 with 9 centuries and 2 half centuries in just 20 matches. While dravid scored 1300 runs in 18 matches at an avg of 46 with just 4 hundreds.

Talking about lean patch, Sachin never really had a ridiculously long lean patch. Only in 2006 he was below par, scored at an avg of 25 in 8 matches and that too was when he was suffering from tennis elbow.
Before that it was 2003 where he just played 5 test matches and scored @ 17.

Now lets talk about dravid's lean patches.
2007, 10 matches @ 38
2008, 15 matches @ 31
2010 6 matche@ 36

Total centuries in last 4 years ?? 6

Sachin has scored 13 centuries in that period with 5 in this year alone.

Now if you gonna give argument that dravid performs better in matches won?
he avg 66.3 while sachin avg 66.53. So its neck and neck here.
In the matches india lost, he scored at paltry avg 26 while sachin managed at 36.

so yeah, Dravid is a great player but don't even think about comparing him to Sachin or upsetting about the fact that we are expecting Sachin to win this match whereas your Dravid has departed early in the innings.

Don't even think about it? LOL. They are on par in tests. Sachin is a greater player because he is far and away the better batsman in ODIs but in tests, they are equals. Don't let your fanboyism cloud your judgment (I say that knowing that it will).

It's not a case of my Dravid and your Sachin. I am an Indian fan, not a Sachin fan like so many Indians are. I just know how to call a spade a spade.
 
Such ignorance towards someone who basically carried India's batting

That was only for a year, 2006 to be precise. After that Sachin was back in his usual form. So scoring nicely in just one season doenst really win over a player hwo has socred better in most of the seasons in last 2 decades. Sachin has scored more that 1000 runs 5 times whil dravid has managed just twice. And Sachin would get 1000 runs 6th time easily as he need just 25 runs for this year. (yeah he's scored 975 runs in 8 matches)

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Don't even think about it? LOL. They are on par in tests. Sachin is a greater player because he is far and away the better batsman in ODIs but in tests, they are equals. Don't let your fanboyism cloud your judgment (I say that knowing that it will).

It's not a case of my Dravid and your Sachin. I am an Indian fan, not a Sachin fan like so many Indians are. I just know how to call a spade a spade.

It's your fanboyism bud... Dravid is great but come on be serious. Comparing Dravid to Sachin is like comparing Martyn to Ponting. Its true that dravid has carried indian batting in absence of Sachin, but thats just in 2006. After that his stats showed how dramatically his performance has fallen. Its a 4 year long lean patch for Dravid. He's the one having a ridiculously long lean patch.
 
Check this article - it has the relevant stats:
India v Australia 2010: Fourth-innings blues for Indian batsmen | Cricket Features | India v Australia | Cricinfo.com

Indian batsmen in the fourth innings
Batsman Innings Runs Average 100s/ 50s
Gautam Gambhir 9 236 47.20 0/ 2
Rahul Dravid 47 1325 42.74 1/ 9
Sachin Tendulkar 48 1276 37.52 3/ 4
VVS Laxman 29 802 36.45 1/ 4
MS Dhoni 8 228 32.57 0/ 1
Virender Sehwag 23 556 29.26 0/ 4

Dravid > Tendulkar in 4th innings. Maybe not in the last 2 years though.

And gotta agree with you shravi, Tendulkar is worshipped and Dravid underrated badly. I'd still take Tendulkar's record first, but there isn't much of a gap between their careers IMHO.
 
Dravid was the better Test batsman in the Indian team for a good period during the last decade. Pointing at stats and waving them around won't change that. Dravid averaged close to 60 during that period and was quite easily our best batsman in the team. You would know if you watched the games instead of looking at stats.

That said, Sachin has hit his career's third (?) purple patch and I think he is well ahead of Dravid at the moment. Hoping that Dravid can fix it and come back as a force in Test cricket but I'm not holding my breath.

I struggle to see why people still expect Sehwag to perform in the 4th. Sehwag is a first innings monster and he can put India in control of games. Any time he actually performs in an Indian second innings is against the norm, and the opposition should consider themselves unlucky. This chase was always going to be about Dravid/Tendulkar after whatever quick runs Sehwag managed before getting dismissed. It's unfortunate but we've lost most of our top order so it'll need a stellar innings from Tendulkar and someone else to pull this one out the bag.
 
Dravid has managed just one century against Aussies in his entire career an that one century came 6 years ago. He's yet to score a hundred at home soil against aussies, what a great performance:sarcasm from a player who is considered on par with Sachin

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Dravid was the better Test batsman in the Indian team for a good period during the last decade. Pointing at stats and waving them around won't change that. Dravid averaged close to 60 during that period and was quite easily our best batsman in the team. You would know if you watched the games instead of looking at stats.

That said, Sachin has hit his career's third (?) purple patch and I think he is well ahead of Dravid at the moment. Hoping that Dravid can fix it and come back as a force in Test cricket but I'm not holding my breath.

I struggle to see why people still expect Sehwag to perform in the 4th. Sehwag is a first innings monster and he can put India in control of games. Any time he actually performs in an Indian second innings is against the norm, and the opposition should consider themselves unlucky. This chase was always going to be about Dravid/Tendulkar after whatever quick runs Sehwag managed before getting dismissed. It's unfortunate but we've lost most of our top order so it'll need a stellar innings from Tendulkar and someone else to pull this one out the bag.

I have been following cricket seriously since 96 dude so i know what i'm talking 'bout and you are saying that dravid has managed a avg close to 60 in last decade, well stats say 55 while Sachin in the same period avg 59. Can't see how you can ignore the stats.:facepalm
While we are talking about a decade, avg of 30,35 and 36 in successive years doesn't really shout I-Am-Best-Batsman-In-The-Team...
 
Rahul Dravid vs Sachin (RD 1st and ST 2nd)
vs Australia: 41.48 vs 58.53
vs Bangladesh: 70.00 vs 136.66
vs England: 57.26 vs 61.42
vs New Zealand: 59.90 vs 52.07
vs Pakistan: 53.73 vs 42.28
vs South Africa: 36.51 vs 38.24
vs Sri Lanka: 48.64 vs 60.45
vs West Indies: 67.04 vs 57.73
vs Zimbabwe: 97.90 vs 76.50

As you can see, they are neck and neck. If one argues that Sachin has performed against the best of the best (Australia) then another can counter argue that by saying that Dravid has performed better in a series that is equally significant (maybe even more because of political aspect) due to the pressure of playing in it.

Outside of India Dravid averages 55.53 comapred to Sachin's 56.25 so once again, no big difference. If you were to exclude Zimbabwe and West Indies then Dravid averages 50 vs Sachin's 53 so once again, pretty much equal as 3 runs is fairly insignificant. The toughest places to tour for Indians are said to be places where there is a lot of bounce and help for fast bowlers. As the West Indies has sort of deviated from those sorts of pitches, I will exclude them from this discussion and use only their stats when playing in Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand. In this case Dravid averages 53.11 compared to Sachin's 52.95. Upon closer inspection however, Dravid avererages higher than Sachin in England 65.35 vs 62.00) and New Zealand (63.83 vs 49.52) whereas Sachin averages higher in Australia (52.72 vs 58.53) and South Africa (33.60 vs 39.76). In Dravid's 14 years in international cricket, he has averaged more than 45 in 11 of those years. In Sachin's 21 years in international cricket, he has averaged more than 45 in 13 of those.

For me, they are equals in test cricket and I have proven that as well.
 
vs Pakistan: 53.73 vs 42.28

That stands out. Dravid handles the Paks better
 
I guess you have chosen 45 as the limiting factor to suit Dravid more.

How about 60. Tendulkar has avg more than 60 in 10 years while dravid in 6 years
more than 80? Tendulkar in 4 years and dravid in 2 years.
 
Lets take the advantage of playing more matches away from tendulkar. This is Sachin's record since dravid's international debut.

132 matches 11462 runs 57.31 avg 40 hundreds

Dravid

143 matches 11580 runs 52.87 avg 29 hundreds..

So there is a considerable difference even then. can't see how you can compare them
 
I guess you have chosen 45 as the limiting factor to suit Dravid more.

How about 60. Tendulkar has avg more than 60 in 10 years while dravid in 6 years
more than 80? Tendulkar in 4 years and dravid in 2 years.

Uhh, no...because 45 is a good year and 60 and 80 are far too rare to be taken into consideration when looking at entire careers unless the player is Bradman.
 
If we check their stats in the era where some of the greatest bowlers were playing that is akram-donald-waqar-ambrose's 90's :p

Sachin avg 59 while dravid avg 49

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Uhh, no...because 45 is a good year and 60 and 80 are far too rare to be taken into consideration when looking at entire careers unless the player is Bradman.

Sachin has score over 60 in 10 years. That is not rare by any means

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I'm sooo tempted to pull out Sachin's ODI card against dravid :p :D
 

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