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For me he has moved above Mishra in the pecking order.
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Indeed Kaneria and Mishra appear to take more influence from Qadir than Warne. Where does MacGill fit in?
The trouble with leg spin is that if you inspire a generation to bowl big leg breaks like Warne and MacGill, you don't necessarily inspire a bevy of first class cricketers. Such players are monsters on par with elite express pacemen, perhaps worse.
At the very least, we can't say that it is a finished generation; the last of Warne's young viewers will not be in seniors yet.
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Glenn McGrath says the raw statistics. That too on mostly batting decks!
But I have to say, like someone else in this thread, his bowling seemed...too robotic.
Glenn McGrath says the raw statistics. That too on mostly batting decks!
But I have to say, like someone else in this thread, his bowling seemed...too robotic.
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He might have been the "best" but he sure as hell was not entertaining to watch. Plopping it on the exact same line and length makes for good bowling but not viewing 
McGrath was a bore in my book
McGrath was a bore in my book
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that's true, I'm sure plenty of teenage australian spinners still look up to him and will continue to do so for years. I'm just saying that you can hardly say he revived leg spin bowling when a) it's not revived and b) he was one of a few elite spinners which all contributed.
given every off spinner is falling over themselves trying to learn a doosra (botha, krejza, ajmal, harbhajan, panesar have all claimed to be experimenting to varying degrees of success) murali is arguably the bench mark that most spinners are looking towards.
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Dale Steyn for sure.
I think Mohammad Amir will go down as a great. Phillip Hughes and Virat Kohli hold a lot of promise as well (yes, I know what the thread title is. I just find this discussion interesting). Those are the 3 young guns that stand out to me.
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Dare
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Asif if he can play for another 5-6 years can be one of those too.
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McGrath has unbelievable stats, maybe he is the best ever, doesnt matter if he isnt the most entertaining- so what, entertainment doesnt win you matches, getting the most wickets with incredible stats does.
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I love watching that guy, the man is an artist, not a bowler. Closest thing to McGrath today. "Ball on a string" is a term usually reserved for spinners but you can use it to describe Asif on his day.
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Just an observation, I already conceded that is probably the best.
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you know what I love about asif, you learn about bowling and how to set a batsman up. because he doesn't really make many mistakes and he keeps it all very simple. it seems so easy when he does it.
watching him has made me better at playing cricket 07 haha
watching him has made me better at playing cricket 07 haha
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Mcgrath - great record but there isn't many aussies who would pick him as the greatest fast bowler even australia has produced. Walsh is in the same boat, though unlike mcgrath who has only lillee ahead of him Walsh has about 6 or 7 team mates ahead.
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I think most aussies will agree McGrath was the best Aussie fast bowler.No batsman dominated this guy, he produce the goods on just about every surface.The guy averages 21 in India verses that strong indian batting lineup.And for people saying he was boring i disagree the greatness of mcgrath was that as a viewer u always wondered what plan will McGrath come up with for this batsman or that batsman, he had a plan for every single batsman.The smartest bowler i've seen.I never saw Lillee but if he was better than McGrath he must have been on a totally different planet, well his stats don't suggest that.I've heard great things about Marshal.So base on what i've seen and heard am incline to believe McGrath and Marshal was the best.McGrath was the best that i saw.Wasim was a great bowler don't get me wrong but i cant see how anyone think he was better than McGrath.Wasim had a lot more off days than McGrath.When it comes to performance and effectiveness McGrath wins it over him.
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I think most aussies will agree McGrath was the best Aussie fast bowler.No batsman dominated this guy, he produce the goods on just about every surface.The guy averages 21 in India verses that strong indian batting lineup.And for people saying he was boring i disagree the greatness of mcgrath was that as a viewer u always wondered what plan will McGrath come up with for this batsman or that batsman, he had a plan for every single batsman.The smartest bowler i've seen.I never saw Lillee but if he was better than McGrath he must have been on a totally different planet, well his stats don't suggest that.I've heard great things about Marshal.So base on what i've seen and heard am incline to believe McGrath and Marshal was the best.McGrath was the best that i saw.Wasim was a great bowler don't get me wrong but i cant see how anyone think he was better than McGrath.Wasim had a lot more off days than McGrath.When it comes to performance and effectiveness McGrath wins it over him.
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Personally I think Both McGrath & Lindwall were better bowlers than Dennis Lillee who used to performlike a bully on suppoting wickets of Australia,England & others but suffered heavily on flat tracks of Pakistan & Sri Lanka.I've even heard that he not only refrained ever from touring India but avoided some tours of Pakistan also on account of business committments & so called "injuries".Thats why averages over 100 in Pakistan an got some good beating in Sri Lanka(played only one test there) as well.And he was the one to give the name of "Fast bowler's graveyard" to Pakistan.Other than that,Lillee was as good as any other bowler in history & was more exciting to watch than McGrath.On the other hand McGrath could perform on any sort of wicket.Hence McGrath easily finds a place in my top 10 ever but Lillee doesn't.
About Wasim vs McGrath,I think its really close but personally I rate Wasim as better but not by much.Its because he mostly had to play on flat wickets of Pakistan.He's the greatest left armer ever.McGrath though consistent(Wasim was also very consistent as well) was not as devastating as Wasim because it always looked to me as if he could take wickets at will.If I'm the captain of a team with both Wasim & McGrath in it & have to get a batsman out with plenty of time on my side,Ill choose McGrath but If I have to get a batsman out in a single or a single ball even,Ill go for Wasim.Thats because McGrath always used to take working on his plan with line & length to get a batsman out while Wasim used to get batsmen with sudden wicket taking deliveries randomly.
Not only Wasim but Imran,Marshall,Hadlee & Ambrose are some of the other bowlers whom I rate better than McGrath.
^Interesting take mate. I guess I rate McGrath so highly because he thrived in an era where batsmen were beginning to make the game look so easy. Same with Steyn now. His average is miles better than the next challenger. It was the same for McGrath from the late 90s onwards, after Ambrose, Donald and Wasim went downhill a bit. It was McGrath then Shaun Pollock, then daylight from 2000 onwards.
And you summed up Wasim v McGrath pretty well I think. McGrath was monotonous and relentless, while Wasim didn't seem to have a lot of patience and seemed to be looking for that magic delivery every ball. If it were anyone else they would have failed over such a long time, but luckily he had the skill to back it up. But what annoyed me more about Wasim is that everyone remembers his fantastic deliveries but forget his listless spells when the ball wasn't 'talking', his hundreds of no balls and generally poor attitude once the going got tough. I'm not sure I can support a guy like that as the best bowler ever. I rate Imran a better bowler personally.
And you summed up Wasim v McGrath pretty well I think. McGrath was monotonous and relentless, while Wasim didn't seem to have a lot of patience and seemed to be looking for that magic delivery every ball. If it were anyone else they would have failed over such a long time, but luckily he had the skill to back it up. But what annoyed me more about Wasim is that everyone remembers his fantastic deliveries but forget his listless spells when the ball wasn't 'talking', his hundreds of no balls and generally poor attitude once the going got tough. I'm not sure I can support a guy like that as the best bowler ever. I rate Imran a better bowler personally.
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i Think thats a misconseption people have that McGrath wasn't as devasting as Wasim.I believe he was alot more devasting that Wasim in that most deliveries were on target hence he had an opportunity to pick up a wicket just about every delivery.Its simple McGrath record vs Wasims record in each conditions speaks for itself.McGrath has better stats than Wasim in just about every statistical category, dismissed the worlds best batsmen more than Wasim.I don't believe stats should be the be all and end all but if a guy has better stats than another guy in just about every category then that says something surely.I agree Wasim was deadly with his swing , McGrath was deadly with his accuracy ,seam movement,swing at times( yes he could swing it as well), bounce.Its his style of bowling and speed of bowling particularly which makes people believe that McGrath wasnt as devasting as the other great bowlers when in fact he was just as if not more devasting that any fastbowler.If i was a captain and needed to get a batsman out with one delivery and i had to pick a fast bowler my choice would be McGrath simple because of the attributes i stated earlier.People need to seperate whats pleasing to the eye to whats best.I don't even believe Wasim was better than Ambrose.As i said McGrath style of bowling especially he wasnt overly quick for a good part of his career will always mean he'll be abit ''underated'' just shows you how great he was even then he's in quite a few peoples top 10.No knock on Akram who i thought was a great bowler as well, just felt McGrath was better.In those i've seen i rate:McGRATH,AMBROSE,
WASIM,DONALD,WALSH,WAQUR,POLLOCK
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Afriditown07
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The way Amir's going.. if he plays Cricket for another 10 - 13 years (not gonna happen)
he will be one of the best there ever was.
Currently, I think it's Dale Steyn.
he will be one of the best there ever was.
Currently, I think it's Dale Steyn.
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