Commonwealth Bank Series

[Punk_Sk8r]

What did I say a few pages back guys not to speak to soon, England should become a test side only the way their batting is going I dont remember it like that a few years back?

 

[MUFC1987]

Well I was right about Oram, world class allrounder and did the business. Ian Bell is flagging too much and should be dropped. Dalrymple isn't much better either. Vaughan and Bopara in for those two, with Nixon going to 8 would do for me. Bopare can easily cover the few overs that Dalrymple bowled.

 

[Leicester Fox]

Where's Yardy gone?

 

[woodywiss sa sa]

Haha. Let's not go backwards again. He couldn't bat even in his own Home conditions and his bowling would frankly be murdered on the hard flat tracks.

 

[Leicester Fox]

Can't bat much worse than Dalyrmple

 

[woodywiss sa sa]

Well he had done. Look at their records compared. Yardy still hasnt hit over 30.
He's not good enough anyway. And We should have Bopara in for Dalrymple anyway.

 

[PhilD123]

Neither of Yardy or Dalrymple are good enough, they are nothing players. Dalrymple is coming in at 8, getting 10 at the most and then bowling 2 or 3 overs. Bopara could easily do that and would provide more strength to the batting.

 

[Leicester Fox]

I know he has done much better in the past for England but he i was talking about this series. To be honest we should be playing any of these players that jst do a jobw ith te bat and ball we should be playing with specialist players. If Fletcher wasn't so obssesed with strength in depth in the batting then we could bowl sides out more cheaply and if we want all rounders we've got Flintoff and Collers.2 is enough

 

[irottev]

Appalling, absolutely appaling. You should be ashamed of yourself for this post.

I've watched England get hammered at ridiculous hours for the entire test series, and the majority of the Odi series, and here you are going off into some sulk just before a match winning partnership :

To defend myself, it isn't easy being the only NZ fan who frequently posts on these forums. I keep having to stick up for the players because I know the potential they have. When we collapsed again, I thought, no way am I facing you England fans smart arsed comments about it and more of the Australian fans calling them pathetic. Not going to do that, so i'll take a break until we are winning again. Turns out, we totally routed you, and I watched it all but 50 runs between Oram and McCullum.

Seriously though, I over-reacted. I can take losing, but losing to England twice in a row would really piss me off. Losing to Australia is different, they're expected to win everything, them winning by a low margin probably frustrated me a little too. A big chance and we butchered it. It wasn't sulking, it was anger. The media articles in the papers don't help either. Always negative. I bet something will be on them this morning pointing out the poor batting again before the fact we won.

The bowling argument, I would love to start a debate on. But some of you take things too literally. Funny how you jump at my comment that we have the best bowling but you ignore me saying we have the worst batting. Typical. Of course we don't have the worst batting. That would belong with Bangladesh, England, maybe a few other teams who I bette rnot name or I will start something else up. It;s merely a saying. Best, in cricket can be backed up, but mainly it'll be due to opinion.

i would still expect to beat NZ in the world cup when we've got Pietersen back

Prepare to be let down. Our batting should be fixed by that stage.


But on the match. It was fantastic to see Vettori dominating again. It's because England took him on, and no one suceeded in putting him out of the park. Usually teams will just let him walk over them and put away a poor ball if he ever bowls one. Didn't bowl 1 today! I consider the first 3 wickets he got crucial and the 4th important.

Franklin at the top made great use of the pressure Bondy was putting on. He was very tidy. Bond finished off the tail nicely. He bowled with some real pace today for some balls. Hope he scrubbs up fire today and can play at least 1 game in Perth. I'd rest him for against England, 2 back to back games may take it's toll again and we have Mills back, so we can cover for it. Play Patel too for some extra wicket taking.

Our fieling was top notch. We needed that against Australia. Not 1 misfield and the only fumble was that catch McCullum still took. SOme brilliant catches and Fleming was brilliant in the slips. The only way he could have been better is by taking what would have been a blinder off Collingwood in Vettori's first ball.

 

[evertonfan]

New Zealand don't have the world's best bowling attack though. They have a very good attack true but one only needs look at Pakistan's and Australia's to disagree with your statement.

 

[irottev]

New Zealand don't have the world's best bowling attack though. They have a very good attack true but one only needs look at Pakistan's and Australia's to disagree with your statement.

Again, you misunderstand. it was a saying I used. Not to be taken fully seriously.

This article cheers me up. http://content-nz.cricinfo.com/cbs/content/current/story/277393.html

Would probably have been used for us had we lost.

 

[Leicester Fox]

I'm worried already! : If fred can carry his form through to this world cup and Anderson improves at his current rate then we will be a very good side by then with the ball and with Vaughan and Loye at the top of the order then we will have a balanced batting line up thanks to KP too

 

[puddleduck]

Just to say I didn't say anything about your bowling, and have actually personally felt that the Sky commentators and media (and some fans) have all been pretty appaling when talking about New Zealand as a cricket team. I think they clearly haven't seen much of them, and they have often dismissed them out of hand despite the fact that our Odi record is far worse than theirs. With Oram and Styris back in the side, they are a geniune threat to anyone in world cricket as they have good batting depth and a good bowling unit providing Bond is fit and Franklin is bowling well. I realise you weren't specifically talking to me, but the way your post is structured I want to make sure I am not being tarred with the same brush

 

[Deleted member 13648]

New Zealand don't have the world's best bowling attack though. They have a very good attack true but one only needs look at Pakistan's and Australia's to disagree with your statement.

Totally agree.

New Zealand have great spin and pace options in Bond and Vettori but apart from those two, no-one really is world class

 

[Punk_Sk8r]

Yeah you should never give up on your team Ive watched England get hammered all winter but still anticpate their next match just incase.....even when I suppport Pakistan and we lose to India in the World Cup or when we lost the WC Final i never give up on them.......I just critesize them