Cricket 19 General Discussion

[Wealey]

Just to add to this...

Played 12 games all on same pitch.

Pretty much same skills and tweaks. 20 overs.

65-5
58-3
72-1
61-0
59-2
86-1
61-1
67-5
49-0
56-2
53-1
79-3
72-2

it varies massively and I hardly changed a thing. You don’t get a full picture until you have played the full game and maybe even a series like @blockerdave is.

I am seeing however a change in the gameplay and natural feel to it with lowering my skills.

 

[Langeveldt]

Yeah give me a bit till I get back on. Took the boy for a ride on his bike.

I have no real system for it atm. But the gameplay to me seems far more natural.

I also think by lowering run rate you you potentially lose the mentalities. “Balanced” at the moment seems broken to me..

I've got mentalities (with a 5 game sample size), with default run rate but less timing.

C19 has the general feel of the ball is easy to smash if the AI have to, so to deskill and de-time I guess is a good tester... Guess this has always been true.

I've always been of the opinion mentalities were less reflective when difficulty level was increased, but again speculation based on observation, not 100 statted matches.

 

[blockerdave]

I must lack the patience to bowl or bat through where I am wondering what on earth is going on, as opposed to AI vs AI where I don't have to actually do anything.

Would you go back to three difficulty modes; easy, medium, hard?

I accept it takes a very special kind of asshole to play test after test, every ball of it, like I’ve been doing. In fact after the Ashes series I’m playing I may play something slightly different for a few days... or who knows watch some tv, or even talk to the wife (been a while since she told me how she’s getting on at Woolworths)...

But I’ll be back to it because it’s awesome.

no I’d keep the sliders - I use them: I bat on a difficulty a little easier than hard and bowl on a difficulty a little harder than harder.

I generally keep physics default - though as I’m playing in Australia I have upped pace and bounce slightly, and reduced swing and wicket chance. As I play as England and will play mostly in England I’m treating that as “default” and adjusting around it.

AI I have slight reduced run rate, and as mentioned for this series wicket chance.

 

[Langeveldt]

I accept it takes a very special kind of asshole to play test after test, every ball of it, like I’ve been doing. In fact after the Ashes series I’m playing I may play something slightly different for a few days... or who knows watch some tv, or even talk to the wife (been a while since she told me how she’s getting on at Woolworths)...

But I’ll be back to it because it’s awesome.

no I’d keep the sliders - I use them: I bat on a difficulty a little easier than hard and bowl on a difficulty a little harder than harder.

I generally keep physics default - though as I’m playing in Australia I have upped pace and bounce slightly, and reduced swing and wicket chance. As I play as England and will play mostly in England I’m treating that as “default” and adjusting around it.

AI I have slight reduced run rate, and as mentioned for this series wicket chance.

I have a nervous Balbirnie, precise, but Kevin O'Brien has taken to the Pakistan pace attack quite nicely, as he is better and has a different mentality. Feels like ODI cricket returning to Pakistan. And I can also work and watch at the same time, the dream. I'm in a very strict lockdown away from home, lucky my friend has a PS4 and likes cricket. The best thing about lockdown is not feeling guilty for this amount of utter nerdery.

 

[Wealey]

In a nutshell...

Without being a dick..


If you can’t play this game and enjoy it. With the sliders available as well. Then I’m not sure what your looking for. Because there it’s no sports SIM out there at the moment that is flawless and this plays for the most part a superb game of cricket.

“Game” being the key word. It’s a video game.

 

[Langeveldt]

In a nutshell...

Without being a dick..


If you can’t play this game and enjoy it. With the sliders available as well. Then I’m not sure what your looking for. Because there it’s no sports SIM out there at the moment that is flawless and this plays for the most part a superb game of cricket.

“Game” being the key word. It’s a video game.

Without being a dick also... And with the following i mean bowling and AI vs AI cricket. I bat occasionally but not that often.

What's hacked me off about all BA franchise games, is that sliders aren't quite as simple as they sound, and now there are so many of them, they don't sound that simple. (The bounce issue for one, think it's been fixed?)

I am almost 100 per cent convinced that all the player attributes in DBC14 did absolutely nothing at all. (I might be completely wrong about this, but that's in the past). I remember bowling at a skill-less Tendai Chatara who hit 180 or something at Perth. Having had Zimbabwe at 55/5 or something, and I think even @blockerdave would have been tinkering with some attributes. I've put most of my professional and non-professional life into cricket, so I knew I wasn't entirely wrong. Then came the addition of "mentalities" and yes we've conversed on that for ages and ages...

This put me on the back foot with BA. I felt cheated and that I'd wasted lots of hours on trying to make a cricket game feel like the game we love on TV.

What was awesome though was evidently the style, the presentation, the fact they have been active in a market that obviously doesn't make a load of dosh. The bare-bones cricket looks and feels absolutely superb, and dare I say polished.

But it has always come from a position of defensiveness and not benefit of the doubt, because of DBC14, and that's why.

Yasir Shah has just spun a googly through an aggressive Kevin O'Brien who was looking dangerous. It's probably taken 3,000 hours of bowling or watching, but it's the best cricket I've seen about now, so yes I will enjoy it. But there is a reason for the position of defensiveness from my point of view anyway.

No doubt in half an hour I'll find something out like left handers can't be bowled or something mad...

 

[Wealey]

Without being a dick also... And with the following i mean bowling and AI vs AI cricket. I bat occasionally but not that often.

What's hacked me off about all BA franchise games, is that sliders aren't quite as simple as they sound, and now there are so many of them, they don't sound that simple. (The bounce issue for one, think it's been fixed?)

I am almost 100 per cent convinced that all the player attributes in DBC14 did absolutely nothing at all. (I might be completely wrong about this, but that's in the past). I remember bowling at a skill-less Tendai Chatara who hit 180 or something at Perth. Having had Zimbabwe at 55/5 or something, and I think even @blockerdave would have been tinkering with some attributes. I've put most of my professional and non-professional life into cricket, so I knew I wasn't entirely wrong. Then came the addition of "mentalities" and yes we've conversed on that for ages and ages...

This put me on the back foot with BA. I felt cheated and that I'd wasted lots of hours on trying to make a cricket game feel like the game we love on TV.

What was awesome though was evidently the style, the presentation, the fact they have been active in a market that obviously doesn't make a load of dosh. The bare-bones cricket looks and feels absolutely superb, and dare I say polished.

But it has always come from a position of defensiveness and not benefit of the doubt, because of DBC14, and that's why.

Yasir Shah has just spun a googly through an aggressive Kevin O'Brien who was looking dangerous. It's probably taken 3,000 hours of bowling or watching, but it's the best cricket I've seen about now, so yes I will enjoy it. But there is a reason for the position of defensiveness from my point of view anyway.

No doubt in half an hour I'll find something out like left handers can't be bowled or something mad...

But why be defensive.. just take it for what it is. They work hard. They get some shit wrong and they get some bang on.

But they produce in my eyes the best cricket games I have played hands down.

But I bowl and bat and everytime I have it’s been a superb game. You only have to look at @blockerdave games.

I don’t get the whole disliking/ or bashing a developer. It’s a game at the end of the day and they do what they can within their capabilities.

I know from the start with any game I play it’s not going to be exactly what I want. So I’d never ever expect it. Otherwise if I did get hung up on bits I didn’t like I’d never play.

I get that everyone is different. And I personally couldn’t think of anything worse than watching an AI v AI game. But I know for a fact that it’s not remotely designed for that and therefore the results won’t be reliable. But we have spoken about that. That’s not to say it rubbish as I’m sure many would enjoy watching it. Don’t get me wrong.

I just don’t get the whole “on the back foot, feel cheated kinda thing” but again that’s me.

I just think sometimes you can be searching for the holy grail. And end up never playing the game and enjoying it.

this happened during testing. I love it so SO SO much more now that I’m just playing. I’ll have a tinker from time to time but it’s best just to embrace it for what it is and get lost in what your doing. Like old Dave haha!

BA may annoy people. But they don’t and have never gone down the whole micro transaction route. I don’t ever feel like I’m being stitched up. And I get a lot of hours for my 40-50 quid whatever it was.

 

[Langeveldt]

But why be defensive.. just take it for what it is. They work hard. They get some shit wrong and they get some bang on.

But they produce in my eyes the best cricket games I have played hands down.

But I bowl and bat and everytime I have it’s been a superb game. You only have to look at @blockerdave games.

I don’t get the whole disliking/ or bashing a developer. It’s a game at the end of the day and they do what they can within their capabilities.

I know from the start with any game I play it’s not going to be exactly what I want. So I’d never ever expect it. Otherwise if I did get hung up on bits I didn’t like I’d never play.

I get that everyone is different. And I personally couldn’t think of anything worse than watching an AI v AI game. But I know for a fact that it’s not remotely designed for that and therefore the results won’t be reliable. But we have spoken about that. That’s not to say it rubbish as I’m sure many would enjoy watching it. Don’t get me wrong.

I just don’t get the whole “on the back foot, feel cheated kinda thing” but again that’s me.

I just think sometimes you can be searching for the holy grail. And end up never playing the game and enjoying it.

this happened during testing. I love it so SO SO much more now that I’m just playing. I’ll have a tinker from time to time but it’s best just to embrace it for what it is and get lost in what your doing. Like old Dave haha!

BA may annoy people. But they don’t and have never gone down the whole micro transaction route. I don’t ever feel like I’m being stitched up. And I get a lot of hours for my 40-50 quid whatever it was.

Well that 40-50 quid is a lot of money in some places, and you can't always get it back. Most of the attributes in DBC14 at the start I think (emphasis on the 'think') were put in there to make a game that appeared more detailed than it actually was, and I think that's dreadful behaviour. I will bash anyone when I feel a service hasn't met expectation, be they an airline, a car dealership, or a game developer.

But anyway, right now all of us are having a great time playing/watching C19 in our own manner, so props to BA, and long may that continue.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

And I get a lot of hours for my 40-50 quid whatever it was.

Every game I've had hours of enjoyment. Frustration comes and goes too. But I've always had good value for money.

 

[Bill Greensmith]

Do you mind me asking, what era opponents do you play against?

Hi blockerdave.

I have a team called Ne'r Do Wells who play against All Time Best XIs (Australia, England, India, Pakistan, West Indies, Lefties, Old World and New World).

I play on Hard batting level (adjusted nearer Hardest on specific settings) with AI bowling at 100%. I play tests, 50 overs and 20/20.

 

[blockerdave]

Without being a dick also... And with the following i mean bowling and AI vs AI cricket. I bat occasionally but not that often.

What's hacked me off about all BA franchise games, is that sliders aren't quite as simple as they sound, and now there are so many of them, they don't sound that simple. (The bounce issue for one, think it's been fixed?)

I am almost 100 per cent convinced that all the player attributes in DBC14 did absolutely nothing at all. (I might be completely wrong about this, but that's in the past). I remember bowling at a skill-less Tendai Chatara who hit 180 or something at Perth. Having had Zimbabwe at 55/5 or something, and I think even @blockerdave would have been tinkering with some attributes. I've put most of my professional and non-professional life into cricket, so I knew I wasn't entirely wrong. Then came the addition of "mentalities" and yes we've conversed on that for ages and ages...

This put me on the back foot with BA. I felt cheated and that I'd wasted lots of hours on trying to make a cricket game feel like the game we love on TV.

What was awesome though was evidently the style, the presentation, the fact they have been active in a market that obviously doesn't make a load of dosh. The bare-bones cricket looks and feels absolutely superb, and dare I say polished.

But it has always come from a position of defensiveness and not benefit of the doubt, because of DBC14, and that's why.

Yasir Shah has just spun a googly through an aggressive Kevin O'Brien who was looking dangerous. It's probably taken 3,000 hours of bowling or watching, but it's the best cricket I've seen about now, so yes I will enjoy it. But there is a reason for the position of defensiveness from my point of view anyway.

No doubt in half an hour I'll find something out like left handers can't be bowled or something mad...

I don’t think attributes did NOTHING in dbc14 (I did for a while tbf) because when we lowered skills across the board there was a definite change.

The default was massively overpowered, and the variation between full skill and no skill was far too small, and the base skill was too high: empty skills batting certainly did not mean a rabbit. And I’m certain as I can be without having coded the thing that there was a “balancer” in there - the AI were gonna score 250-350 most times regardless of whether they reached 60-7 or 150-1

 

[Langeveldt]

I don’t think attributes did NOTHING in dbc14 (I did for a while tbf) because when we lowered skills across the board there was a definite change.

The default was massively overpowered, and the variation between full skill and no skill was far too small, and the base skill was too high: empty skills batting certainly did not mean a rabbit. And I’m certain as I can be without having coded the thing that there was a “balancer” in there - the AI were gonna score 250-350 most times regardless of whether they reached 60-7 or 150-1

I also think my Tendai Chatara 180 was in the final innings of a test match . They needed nearly 600 to win and won I think.

I don't think this "Balancer" is around in ODI cricket at the moment. I had Tamim Iqbal hit a century in one game, and then Bangladesh all out for 78 in the next with the same settings, and Australia winning by one wicket.

 

[Deleted member 193590]

There was another one on 3rd April, at least on Steam.

Don't know anything about that,but there's definitely not been another patch on console.

 

[Dutch]

Just carrying on the "less skills is better gameplay" discussion: shouldn't we then be seeing "better" cricket in say the early stages of a career if this was the case? Thoughts?

 

[Wealey]

Just carrying on the "less skills is better gameplay" discussion: shouldn't we then be seeing "better" cricket in say the early stages of a career if this was the case? Thoughts?

Not if it’s scripted haha...