England in Australia limited overs series

[War]

Sun Jan 12 (50 ovs)

22:20 EST -1d 1st ODI - Australia v England
Melbourne Cricket Ground

Tue Jan 14 (50 ovs)
22:20 EST -1d Prime Minister's XI v England XI
Manuka Oval, Canberra


Fri Jan 17 (50 ovs)
22:20 EST -1d 2nd ODI - Australia v England
Brisbane Cricket Ground, Woolloongabba, Brisbane

Sun Jan 19 (50 ovs)
22:20 EST -1d 3rd ODI - Australia v England
Sydney Cricket Ground

Fri Jan 24 (50 ovs)
22:20 EST -1d 4th ODI - Australia v England
Western Australia Cricket Association Ground, Perth

Sun Jan 26 (50 ovs)
22:20 EST -1d 5th ODI - Australia v England
Adelaide Oval

Wed Jan 29 (20 ovs)
08:35 GMT | 19:35 local
03:35 EST 1st T20I - Australia v England
Bellerive Oval, Hobart

Fri Jan 31 (20 ovs)
08:35 GMT | 19:35 local
03:35 EST 2nd T20I - Australia v England
Melbourne Cricket Ground

Sun Feb 2 (20 ovs)
03:35 EST 3rd T20I - Australia v England
Stadium Australia, Sydney

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Pretty much the best team. But its very harsh to drop Voges though - don't know that S Marsh has done enough to displace him based on Voges batting in 2013.

Plus its really puzzling again what the selectors continue to see in Doherty. Steve O'Keefe is much better all-round spin option for limited over cricket.

 

[bigred]

Sun Jan 12 (50 ovs)

Pretty much the best team. But its very harsh to drop Voges though - don't know that S Marsh has done enough to displace him based on Voges batting in 2013.

Plus its really puzzling again what the selectors continue to see in Doherty. Steve O'Keefe is much better all-round spin option for limited over cricket.

Agree on both of those points. Haven't seen much of O'Keefe, but he sure can't be worse than Doherty.

As an England fan, I'll be very thankful for not seeing Voges come in 4 down. No doubt someone like Maxwell will come in for him. Happy days.

I do hope England can put the last few weeks behind them and take this very seriously. This is a great dress rehearsal for the World Cup which isn't too far away now. We may have to go through a huge transition in tests, but Cook has built a really good one day side over the past 12 months, and I really think we can go on and win this World Cup.

The thing they must do now is decide upon who are the likely 15 to be in that squad for Australia '15 and then play those players togther as much as possible during 2014. They'll obvioulsy be a couple of changes along the way due to lack of form or injury, but it is the first 3 years of a World Cup cycle that you do your experimenting. Not the final one.

 

[War]

Without Swann - i'd say the faint hopes i had that ENG could win the world cup is gone. Not sure how you balance the team without him. Is Borthwick/Briggs the answers? Right now you would have to say no.

One thing i would say, not having Trott around & possibly ever again could be a blessing in disguise for the ODI top order. Despite having a solid average - the Cook/Bell/Trott top order always created lingering doubts about the ability to fully capitalize on the power-play overs. This is great opportunity to promote Hales to the ODI side - he is clearly more than just a T20 player & is really the ODI opener ENG have been seeking since Trescothick left.

 

[bigred]

Don't think the Swann retirement is such a disaster. He was probably only slightly more potent Tredwell in limited over cricket. Wasn't he dropped for Tredwell at some stage last year?

I also don't think there is space for Hales in the starting eleven. Cook, Bell, Pietersen, Morgan, Buttler and Bopara will definitely be in. They'll probably also pick Stokes to bat 6 or 7 so that they don't have to rely on Bopara bowling his 10. Think Hales is a decent player, but he'll be relying on an injury to force his way into contention.

 

[War]

Nah IIRC - Tredwell was getting ODI games because of the ENG selectors policy to rest senior players like Swann - just like how Swann was rested for this ODI series b4 he announced his retirement.

Tredwell is interesting case, i'm not sure how he has been getting people out in the last year ha. Very average bowler, sometimes i reckon batsmen get out him mainly because they want to smash him to all parts.

The AUS batsmen roughed him up a bit in the ODI series in September & i have my doubts whether he have any success in 2014 as ENG prepare for the W Cup.

On Hales, well yes he probably wouldn't start - but at least he should be in the ODI squad now.

 

[PackenHols]

Hales has been England's best T20 player, so giving him a go in the this ODI series would be a good idea. I believe he will be crucial to England's 2015 World Cup plan.

 

[bigred]

Just had a look on my favourite website Cricinfo. Both Swann and Tredwell were in the Champions trophy squad. Swann was only selected for England's second group match against Sri Lanka, which they lost. Tredwell played every other game ahead of Swann including the semi and final. He did rather well in the semi against South Africa recording figures of 3-19. Think he's the kind of bloke England need in a major tournament. Solid temperament and won't lose his head when teams go after him.

 

[Haarithan]

Tredwell's a very ordinary bowler imo, to whom, batsmen for some mysterious reason, keep getting out to... Australia took him apart earlier this summer in the ODIs though!

Anyway, my ODI XI v Australia:

1. Cook
2. Bell
3. Root
4. Morgan
5. Bopara (6)
6. Buttler
7. Stokes (5)
8. Broad (3)
9. Bresnan/Jordan/Tredwell/Briggs (4) (Broad #9 , Bresnan/Jordan #8 if the latter's picked)
10. Finn (1)
11. Rankin (2)

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Early days, but my XI for the World Cup:

1. Cook
2. Bell
3. Pietersen
4. Root
5. Morgan
6. Buttler
7. Stokes
8. Broad Borthwick?
9. Swann Broad
10 & 11: two off Anderson/Finn/Rankin

As War says, with Swann's retirement goes any chances England had at winning the 2015 World Cup. Unless of course Pietersen, Morgan and Buttler become all psychotic and pull off a Virat Kohli/AB de Villiers...

 

[Owzat]

As War says, with Swann's retirement goes any chances England had at winning the 2015 World Cup. Unless of course Pietersen, Morgan and Buttler become all psychotic and pull off a Virat Kohli/AB de Villiers...

England had no chance, either physically or mentally incapable of sustaining pressure on the opposition by consistently taking wickets or indeed by being able to consistently score runs without getting bogged down.

Much of the problem for me has been a lack of genuine quality one day specialists. England have picked much of the Test squad for too long, it was possible back in the old days but ODIs are different and England have gone round in circles, from specialists to their supposed best, from all-rounders to specialist batsmen and bowlers.

Since 1992 England haven't found anything that works, perhaps a dearth of talent beyond the 15-20 players in and around the Test scene. Compound that with a(n ironic) lack of a fifth bowler solution and you have a side that would have to believe in, and rely on, luck as being the thing that wins World Cups just like some believe that in penalty shootouts.

If it is close luck can decide it, but England have to play really well and often their opponents not so well for England to win ie England are rarely on par.

England Test players can play attacking cricket, but the problem is you need the right mentality and they don't seem to have it, in both forms at the moment. There is also never a plan B, and at the moment England are throwing quantity of bowlers at Tests, going the opposite way in ODIs by trying to get through some Bopara or Root overs kind of thing.

If Stokes isn't already on the aussie list of bowlers to target in the ODIs, I reckon he will be if he is drafted into England's ODI XI. Buttler still has a lot to prove, in fact most of the ODI side do.

 

[bigred]

Tredwell's a very ordinary bowler imo, to whom, batsmen for some mysterious reason, keep getting out to... Australia took him apart earlier this summer in the ODIs though!

Anyway, my ODI XI v Australia:

1. Cook
2. Bell
3. Root
4. Morgan
5. Bopara (6)
6. Buttler
7. Stokes (5)
8. Broad (3)
9. Bresnan/Jordan/Tredwell/Briggs (4) (Broad #9 , Bresnan/Jordan #8 if the latter's picked)
10. Finn (1)
11. Rankin (2)

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Early days, but my XI for the World Cup:

1. Cook
2. Bell
3. Pietersen
4. Root
5. Morgan
6. Buttler
7. Stokes
8. Broad Borthwick?
9. Swann Broad
10 & 11: two off Anderson/Finn/Rankin

As War says, with Swann's retirement goes any chances England had at winning the 2015 World Cup. Unless of course Pietersen, Morgan and Buttler become all psychotic and pull off a Virat Kohli/AB de Villiers...

You'd have Root in above Bopara? Bopara has been one of our best one day players over the past 12 months. I think letting go of test cricket and touring the world as a limited overs specialist has made him a really good player.

Still think England have a decent chance. But a lot of the players will have bad memories every time they set foot inside Australia now. Perhaps that is where the one day specialists like Buttler, Morgan and Bopara will have stand up and win us games.

 

[War]

Just had a look on my favourite website Cricinfo. Both Swann and Tredwell were in the Champions trophy squad. Swann was only selected for England's second group match against Sri Lanka, which they lost. Tredwell played every other game ahead of Swann including the semi and final. He did rather well in the semi against South Africa recording figures of 3-19. Think he's the kind of bloke England need in a major tournament. Solid temperament and won't lose his head when teams go after him.

Ye i recall that, but i don't think ENG exactly dropped Swann for the CT, strangely i think with Tredwell surprising bowling well - ENG just decided to keep resting Swann.

But as i said & poster Haarithan - Tredwell just doesn't look an international standard bowler & before AUS smashed him in ODI series last summer, it was a big surprise to success he was having.

As things stand i'd be surprised if he lasts 2014.

 

[IceAgeComing]

England will probably win the series; and no one will care because no one cares about ODIs!

Isn't that what happened in 2006?

 

[War]

^^

Ha ye they did, although it was a bit of fluke. Do expect ENG to challenge a bit more again though.

Having a look at the ODI squad, I wonder if Cook should also take a break himself for these ODIS, seems horribly jaded. Same too with Carberry - he is not the future anyway.

Promote Hales/Lumb to the ODI XI just for this series & let Morgan captain.

 

[Umair7]

Phillip Hughes & Adam Voges - Why on earth they are dropped :/
Moises Henriques - We already have Maxwell and Faulkner
Callum Ferguson - He wont play for Australia again but i still don't know why

All the above players are dropped

 

[War]

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