England in India - Oct to Jan 2012/13

[Epic]

Well tbf, he shouldn't be out there in the first place, Ashwin already had him out a few overs ago.

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That was out, too bad no one appealed...

 

[Gaurav_7]

Alright, pitch was dead but, seems England can't really bat against spin.

 

[shravi]

Is Shastri drunk? Serious question. He is slurring words, has massive bags under his eyes that don't seem to be because of old age, and just seems a little off. Might just be really hungover.

My answers from currently playing players-

Michael Clarke, Hashim Amla

Yadav has bowled really well today. Been very impressed. He's been fairly disciplined in his line and length which he usually isn't. He's been constantly threatening, attacking, and bowling at high speeds.

Dravid's been fantastic so far as a commentator. Little too intense at times, just like his batting. But he always has something interesting and valuable to say.

 

[Owzat]

It's utterly ridiculous that Graeme Swann, who has scored more runs in the last 12 months than most our batsmen will now be coming in at 11.
England seem to think the way to play spin is to pack the side with bowlers who can bat and ignore ones who can't like Monty rather than actually expect the batsmen to score some runs.

Fully agree. England do themselves no favours by playing the game so heavily in backward logic. One wicket to seamers in 70 overs, spinners should have bowled 2/3 or more of the overs not 90-70 . Patel making 10 to go with one wicket just makes that decision look stooooooopid, 27 runs and 2/121 definitely better than whatever Panesar might have managed? Damage is done, unless KP and Patel make a hundred each 2nd innings this game is over.

Swann batting so low is criminal, he is capable of batting 8 or 9, and I'd probably have shoved him in ahead of Bresnan and Broad, then again I wouldn't have sent Anderson/a nightwatchman in :no:

Swann vs Broad vs Bresnan

In India

Swann - 11 runs @ 3.67
Broad - 1 run @ 1.00
Bresnan - n/a (current innings only)

Last six innings

Swann - 41, 37no, 7, 15no, 1, 30 = 131 runs @ 32.75
Broad - 37, 16, 1, 0, 16, 25 = 95 runs @ 15.83
Bresnan - 9, 20no, 8, 39no, 0, 5 = 81 runs @ 20.25

Bresnan's 39no was against West Indies, as was Swann's 30 and Broad's 25. Swann's last 78 runs came against South Africa. Swann averaged 17.50 with the bat in UAE, Broad 21.00. Swann and Broad took 13 wickets in that series, Panesar took 14 despite only playing two of the Tests. England predictably collapsed against spin and didn't change the batsmen for the 2nd Test
The batsmen are just incapable of playing spin, the same ones undone in UAE are being undone again now. The theory "we'll they're our best, innit" doesn't hold up to tests, might as be bowled out for under 200 with six random picks from the counties as the same six who do FA time and time again.

Rushed back KP, added 17 to his 2,0,14,1,32 and 18 in UAE, Bell was predicta-bell-y picked to add zilch to his 0,4,29,3,5 and 10 in UAE. At least the much maligned Strauss made a fifty in UAE, those two barely passed fifty TOTAL in the series.

 

[macintosh]

Good to see Prior's intent after being bamboozled by Ojha at the start of his innings.

 

[SaiSrini]

Is Shastri drunk? Serious question. He is slurring words, has massive bags under his eyes that don't seem to be because of old age, and just seems a little off. Might just be really hungover.

My answers from currently playing players-

Michael Clarke, Hashim Amla

Yadav has bowled really well today. Been very impressed. He's been fairly disciplined in his line and length which he usually isn't. He's been constantly threatening, attacking, and bowling at high speeds.

Dravid's been fantastic so far as a commentator. Little too intense at times, just like his batting. But he always has something interesting and valuable to say.

Agree on all counts. Yadav has been impressive today. Its sad that he had to be brought in late, but he has been doing pretty well so far.

And same with Dravid's commentary. The good thing is, with his retirement being very recent, he has a lot of offer on how he used to stand up to Ashwin, how he stood at slips in recent times, etc.

 

[Epic]

Big yes to that question right there, win toss, bat first and win match, at least that's how it works in India.

 

[Gaurav_7]

HRYNA 66 (32.1 ov, B Mohanty 5/24) - Lunch | Live Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

Same team which got 300 the other day against England..

 

[Epic]

Zaheer. Such a nuisance.

 

[Owzat]

Would have made no difference if England had batted first, only maybe in terms of maybe being shorter in terms of days played

1-6 : 79 runs
7-11 : 95 runs and counting

Says it all

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All over now, the bottom five batsmen scoring more than the top six and Swann stranded.

Expect to see England not only follow on and repeat the formula, but not to change any batsmen for the 2nd Test. England never learn, they just do the same things and assume time will fix everything.

Would be good if India pulled the stick out of their b-sides, took the chips off their shoulders and utilised DRS. Really the umpires should punish them by not giving anything LBW when India are bowling

 

[Haarithan]

1-6 : 79 runs
7-11 : 95 runs and counting

Says it all

Been the case for the best part of the last 12 months. Pathetic really.

 

[Lee1981]

Surely allowing your opponents to score 500+ is the biggest problem, that just invites the pressure knowing how many runs you need just bring yourself back into the game,

 

[Gurjot95]

Pujara - 206
England - 191

nuff said.

 

[Owzat]

Surely allowing your opponents to score 500+ is the biggest problem, that just invites the pressure knowing how many runs you need just bring yourself back into the game,

Doesn't help, but England would have been at sixes and sevens whether chasing 521 or 321. The series in UAE proves that, the bowlers did their job but the batsmen were incapable.

1st Test : England 192 & 160, Pakistan 338 & 15/0
2nd Test : England 327 & 72, Pakistan 257 & 214
3rd Test : England 141 & 252, Pakistan 99 & 365

Pakistan didn't reach 400, were bowled out for a 1st innings deficit twice including for 99, and England lost 0-3. Throw in India and England have made more than 200 just twice in seven innings while their opponents managed it five times in six completed innings.

India will win the series 3 or 4 nil, England have barely anything right so have taken a big hit before the series starts. Picking four of the batsmen who failed so miserably above, only two of whom could hold their heads high, picking a bits n pieces cricketer as the #6 and second spinner, and picking three seamers who took ONE wicket in 70 overs, even 3-4 wickets in 70 overs would have been ordinary..

England pick the side like it is any other series, except it isn't. The batsmen don't even know how to try and play spin, all manner of approaches they adopt don't work - sweeping one of the worst. England should never have been #1 in the world, they are only any good against mediocre or out of form opposition, or if one or two players step up in a tight series. Going gets tough, England don't get going - except batsmen from the crease.

Once England were three down overnight, only two of whom were batsmen, that was the rest of the order thinking they had to either take on the bowlers or do something special. The tailenders don't put the top order to shame, the top order do it all by themselves.

The person or persons who agreed this to be a four Test series want shooting, should have been 2 or 3 absolute tops.

 

[barmyarmy]

It could just be me but arguing about Panesar vs Bresnan at this point feels like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

There's definitely something mental about spin for this side. Previous England teams have lost in India but few so abjectly.