England in India - Oct to Jan 2012/13

[Aalay]

And the irony of the Indians complaining about umpire howlers. If only there was a system where we could over turn it.

I don't understand this. Most of the Indian supporters do support DRS I think but If the board does not decide to take it, what should we do?

 

[Gaurav_7]

Well played England! A big credit must go to their captain, Alastair Cook who has led from the front and is such an inspiration. And, it's always going to be tough for us if KP bats the way he did. SR of 80 on such a track is phenomenal. And, the English spinners were fabulous. Our batsmen were lame. We need to stop behaving like we will win no matter what. The intensity just isn't there bar a few players. I can see no one really putting in any effort. It's like the players don't care any more. They go out there, play stupid shots and get out. And, our bowling is always doubtful. But, I really didn't expect I'll say this about our spinners and that too in India. Ojha was terrific though but, one person can't win you the games.

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I don't understand this. Most of the Indian supporters do support DRS I think but If the board does not decide to take it, what should we do?

Yeah, right. On PC, I think most of the Indian members do support DRS. And, I don't think anyone is complaining about umpiring blunders. The posts seemed in general about Dar having a poor game umpiring wise.

 

[Aalay]

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Please bring in Ishant instead of Harbhajan.

 

[aditya123]

Let us wait till the end of the series shall we. Its just our 3rd or 4th defeat in a decade at home. Yes, it was a bad performance but I expect things to get tougher for the English spinners. The Indian batsmen will come out attacking the spinners at Kolkata. The English spin twins did a fab job here but they might have thigns a lot tougher at the Eden.

Don`t forget that India managed to pull off wins pretty much everywhere apart from the last series in ENG and AUS. When we won at Perth, Headingley, Nottingham , Durban, Jo`burg, Jamaica, Wellington etc noone wrote off the home side like we are doing right now. Lets wait till we leave Nagpur, shall we. Dhoni and Co. have a lot of questions to answer but they surely will come up less complacent and wont take things for granted as they did here.

Lets not take anything away from England as well. They played fabulous cricket and displayed something that India did not in England. To finish off a good start in the test. If you guys remember, after The first test at Lords, on a green Nottingham wicket last year, England were 100/8 on Day 1 and recovered to 200-odd. India were bossing the test (just like England were in the first innings here) and got to the lead with 6 wickets in hand, only to throw it all away. Even then we had a 70 run lead which we never pressed on from there. England showed here as to how to capitalize. I saw a lot of similarities between the two tests and England showed how it is to be finished.

 

[Fenil]

Dhoni wants similar pitch in the 3rd test but tell you what, the pitch of next venue is newly made; only 1 Ranji trophy game has been played on it and low bounce was seen on it. It is expected to start turning only on the 3rd day. The curator of the ground doesn't pay heed to the captain normally much like that of Motera and he will not be making a rank turner for sure.

 

[Satan666]

YESSSSSSS!

Congrats to the English on one of the most comprehensive victories for visiting teams on Indian soil, Sachin most likely would be dropped for the third test, his end is near!

COME ON ENGLAND TAKE IT 3-1!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[War]

Given England's clear historical failures in India in the last 25 years & what happened in the first test - this has to be regarded as one of England's best test wins in the post war era.

Probably only Botham test of Headingly 1981, Edgbaston 2005 really can compare with this win. Even some of England famous wins in Pakistan & Sri Lanka during that famous winter of 2000/01 which i watched religiously as a little boy is a notch below this.

Just superb. When you also compare how India fared in England last year when they were whitewashed - this win vs three spinners on a ordered home turner - would be like India beating England by 10 wickets on traditional headingley green seamer vs 4 England quicks.

Only change England have to make is bring in Finn for Broad - England need a 90 mph quick who can reverse it on what will be lower and slower Kolkatta & Nagpur wickets. Also with Bell to come back, they have to decide if they need to strengthen the batting line-up or keep Patel.

Looking forward to the crowd atmosphere @ Eden Gardens. I know renovations has killed that near 100,000 crowd effect - but that is a traditional test venue with wonderful history.

 

[MUFC1987]

Bell should stay at home and look after his kid for a while. Wishful thinking?

Great win though. KP and Cook superb and putting away this myth that we can't play spin. Panesar and Swann also did brilliantly to read the correct pace to bowl and exploited it perfectly.

Also, delighted that it's a 4 Test series. Means that we should be in for two cracking games either way.

 

[SaiSrini]

England were just too good enough in this game and so they won... All those comments from people like "Indian spinners didn't bowl the right pace, etc" was crap... They bowled faster in the second innings, but still England approached the target in a canter, in fact scoring faster than first innings. This test, they were too good for India, and that should be accepted.

India need to bounce back at the Eden. As Dhoni says, I would again want a similar turning wicket. I won't count on India having another bad game on such types of wickets. But the worrying thing for me is Ashwin's form with the ball. He has the backing of the captain and rightly so. But he needs to be as threatening as he was against WI and NZ. Ojha can't be handling all the workload on his shoulders. Next game, Ishant should take Bhajji's place.

 

[aditya123]

Just superb. When you also compare how India fared in England last year when they were whitewashed - this win vs three spinners on a ordered home turner - would be like India beating England by 10 wickets on traditional headingley green seamer vs 4 England quicks.

Only change England have to make is bring in Finn for Broad - England need a 90 mph quick who can reverse it on what will be lower and slower Kolkatta & Nagpur. Also with Bell to come back, they have to decide if they need to strengthen the batting line-up or keep Patel.

War, India shot to becoming a seriously good side by doing thigns like that. WE did beat England on a green Headingley seamer where we batted first and then pounded England by an innings. Since the 4-0 whitewash in England, people have just made up an opinion that India should never have been taken seriously as a test side away. The fact remains that its the Indian away record between 2002 and 2011 which forced the world to stand up and take notice.

Headingley 2002 (innings win for India), Adelaide 2003, Jo`burg 2006 (rank greentop where SA were beaten by a huge margin), Durban 2010 (SA smashed again on a greentop), Jamaica 2006 (minefield of a track) and Nottingham 2007 (again seamer friendly) and Perth 2008 (walloped a 4-pace Australia) were all performances which demonstrated that India had the class to stand up.

England have not achieved half of that yet. Yes, they were good in this test match but India have had more than their fair share of overseas fairytales before August 2011 in the near past to earn respect. England have`nt achieved half the number of victories of the kind mentioned above, on Asian conditions. They were superb in this test and this Indian side is`nt a shade of the sides that played in the tests mentioned above. Yet we start writing of this Indian side with utmost disrespect as to suggest that they never have won overseas in the recent past which clearly is`nt the case.

 

[puddleduck]

Ah yes, pointing to an away series that was 10 years ago to try and suggest the current batting lineup can handle tricky conditions

I tend to look at the recent capitulations whenever the pitch hasn't been slow and low as more current examples of their struggles.

 

[AbhishekS]

Given England's clear historical failures in India in the last 25 years & what happened in the first test - this has to be regarded as one of England's best test wins in the post war era.

Probably only Botham test of Headingly 1981, Edgbaston 2005 really can compare with this win. Even some of England famous wins in Pakistan & Sri Lanka during that famous winter of 2000/01 which i watched religiously as a little boy is a notch below this.

Just superb. When you also compare how India fared in England last year when they were whitewashed - this win vs three spinners on a ordered home turner - would be like India beating England by 10 wickets on traditional headingley green seamer vs 4 England quicks.

Only change England have to make is bring in Finn for Broad - England need a 90 mph quick who can reverse it on what will be lower and slower Kolkatta & Nagpur wickets. Also with Bell to come back, they have to decide if they need to strengthen the batting line-up or keep Patel.

Looking forward to the crowd atmosphere @ Eden Gardens. I know renovations has killed that near 100,000 crowd effect - but that is a traditional test venue with wonderful history.

I think that Botham test was India's 100th test and this was Sehwag's 100th test.

 

[War]

War, India shot to becoming a seriously good side by doing thigns like that. WE did beat England on a green Headingley seamer where we batted first and then pounded England by an innings. Since the 4-0 whitewash in England, people have just made up an opinion that India should never have been taken seriously as a test side away. The fact remains that its the Indian away record between 2002 and 2011 which forced the world to stand up and take notice.

Headingley 2002 (innings win for India), Adelaide 2003, Jo`burg 2006 (rank greentop where SA were beaten by a huge margin), Durban 2010 (SA smashed again on a greentop), Jamaica 2006 (minefield of a track) and Nottingham 2007 (again seamer friendly) and Perth 2008 (walloped a 4-pace Australia) were all performances which demonstrated that India had the class to stand up.

England have not achieved half of that yet. Yes, they were good in this test match but India have had more than their fair share of overseas fairytales before August 2011 in the near past to earn respect. England have`nt achieved half the number of victories of the kind mentioned above, on Asian conditions. They were superb in this test and this Indian side is`nt a shade of the sides that played in the tests mentioned above. Yet we start writing of this Indian side with utmost disrespect as to suggest that they never have won overseas in the recent past which clearly is`nt the case.

I'm aware of all of those past Indian individual test wins away from home that you mentioned between 2002-2011. But that portion of statement was not meant discredit that.

It was just me highlighting what this victory meant for England in comparison to the conquering of alien conditions that they are traditionally weak in - like what India or any sub-continent team would have to do to win away from home on greentop/bouncy deck vs fast bowlers of varying qualities.

However i would dispute that England have not achieved half of such success away from home. As much Indian fans like to take pride in their respectable away record from 2002-2011 compared to the 1990s where they were horrendous pussycats away from home, while being tigers @ home. Except for in England 2007 when they snuck a lucky series win - all of those good away wins are just individual tests wins/series draws - but no series wins.

England have series wins in major countries like Australia & S Africa. Away from home they been poor in the sub-continent (mainly india), but yet people forget they managed to win in Pakistan & Sri Lanka (only the great australia side won in sri during the murali era) & had a very commendable 1-1 draw in India 2006. And even in other test tours to IND/PAK/SRI since 2000 where they lost (1-0 in india 2001/02 & 2008/09; 1-0, 1-0 & 1-1 in sri lanka 03/04, 07/08 and 2011/12; 2-0, 3-0 in pak/uae 05/06 & 2011/12). Only the 3-0 vs pak in uae last year, where they were totally owned & whitewashed in the sub-continent like India were in ENG & AUS last year.

So lets say England was to win this series, England can boast to have series win in the three major sub-continent countries this decade - which would further prove they are better tourists than India, when touring countries that expose their traditional team Achilles heel.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Ah yes, pointing to an away series that was 10 years ago to try and suggest the current batting lineup can handle tricky conditions

I tend to look at the recent capitulations whenever the pitch hasn't been slow and low as more current examples of their struggles.

I'm pretty sure all aditya is saying is that India's rise to No. 1 was studded with fantastic performances away from home. It's not like they've never been good overseas. At one stage they were really, really good overseas.

If England want to get back to No. 1, they need more wins like this one. Their record in Asia has been dismal.

 

[puddleduck]

It has indeed, that's why we joke that the test will be over once India reach triple figures

However having make India look like a pub side in England, it's nice that the year worth of being told we'll get beaten 4-0 in India have already been proven to be a crock of crap.