England in India - Oct to Jan 2012/13

[shravi]

It has indeed, that's why we joke that the test will be over once India reach triple figures

However having make India look like a pub side in England, it's nice that the year worth of being told we'll get beaten 4-0 in India have already been proven to be a crock of crap.

What about the next few weeks worth of being told you'll get beaten 3-1 ?

 

[puddleduck]

There's a distinct possibility of that happening

 

[War]

Top five England Test wins overseas | Mail Online

 

[aditya123]

I'm pretty sure all aditya is saying is that India's rise to No. 1 was studded with fantastic performances away from home. It's not like they've never been good overseas. At one stage they were really, really good overseas.

If England want to get back to No. 1, they need more wins like this one. Their record in Asia has been dismal.

That is exactly what I was trying to point out. Ever since we lost those two series ilast year, everyone has jumped onto the bandwagon that India do not have what it takes to win or be competitive overseas and that the Indian fans expecting a good performance in England and Australia were being delusional because of home wins. Indian fans started to expect victories abroad only beacuse their side did superbly well in overseas test matches for almost a decade in the 2000s. Due to them being whitewashed in Eng and Aus, it would be wrong to say that their record in the recent past was never good overseas.

That is all that I was trying to point out to all those that were saying, England ahve already won a test in India. Could India ever do that? That was as if to say they`ve never seen India do that while the fact is that India were quite consistent at that while rising to the No.1 spot. Its since then taht its all gone pear shaped for them.

 

[SaiSrini]

Before the last year whitewash, India did not lose the last two series against England in England. We won a series, and we drew a series (in 2002, that Dravid-Vaughan series was a draw; and we won 1-0 in 2007). The last two overseas series have led to a lot of unfair mud slinging on India's overseas capability. We even drew a series in South Africa 1-1 just before the World Cup.

 

[puddleduck]

It wasn't the losing, it was the manner of defeats. The current team, of which a lot of them made up that team as well, didn't ever look up for a fight. So to see them once again get thrashed when it required some hard work due to the pitch actually offering something to the bowlers is worrying.

To suggest that winning the 2002 series has any bearing on the current Indian team is ridiculous. That team had a prime Sachin, Dravid, Laxman... Sehwag I guess too. This current team has seen consistent runs scored by two people in the last couple of years. Kohli and Pujara. If that isn't the clearest indication that the old guard need shifting then I don't know what is. I guess we'll just wait for a series against Bangladesh or a first day featherbed so we can all say how they're back to their best and still average 50. Or something.

 

[AnshtheDj]

The news is out that Umesh Yadav is out of 3rd test due to injury and this is a body blow to
the Indian team which is looking to get back into the series after a humiliating defeat in Mumbai.

IMO, Umesh played an important role in 1st test victory in Ahmedabad where he hustled the English batsmen with
serious pace, got the old SG ball to reverse and picked up important wickets in both the innings. His role assumed
even more importance as he provided important support to Zaheer and even while Zak was not among wickets, his responsibility
as the leader of the bowling attack was shared admirably by Umesh. In fact, going by Zaheer's performance over last 1 yr,
it's pretty much clear he's not the same bowler he once was, ever since he broke down on the fateful 1st day of 1st test match
at Lord's in July 2011. He's still the leader of the Indian bowling unit, still the most skillful left-arm pace bowler in world
at the moment, but he needs support from the other end. Also going by his injury history, our team needs to develop Umesh as the
next leader of the bowling unit, at least in the longest format and all this should happen with Zaheer's company.

Zaheer didn't have any support in Mumbai and our strategy of meeting the opposition on square-turner backfired spectacularly.
We didn't have any bowler, either spin or pace, who could make things happen when English batsmen were dominating, who could
entice any mistake when the batsmen appeared pretty much in control. Umesh did exactly that on a slow, drab Motera track
where he hurled the red cherry at blistering pace, made English batsmen hurry for their shots and in the end,
it emerged that even on a low, slow track, Indian pace bowlers out-bowled the more-skillful and more-accomplished 3-pronged English pace attack.

English team did the same thing spectacularly this time around in Mumbai, their spinners out-bowled ours,
their batsmen stayed on the wicket longer than ours, their experienced players took more responsibility than ours
in all the departments, be it captaincy, batting or bowling.

These are the sort of mini battles the Indian team should look to win in upcoming test matches to turn the result in our favor.

 

[Satan666]

It has indeed, that's why we joke that the test will be over once India reach triple figures

However having make India look like a pub side in England, it's nice that the year worth of being told we'll get beaten 4-0 in India have already been proven to be a crock of crap.

The funny thing about these Indians is that they accept their defeats but the afterthought is always "We're gonna win the next game by a landslide''! Or they draw solace from triumphant matches in the past. Foolish!

 

[aditya123]

The funny thing about these Indians is that they accept their defeats but the afterthought is always "We're gonna win the next game by a landslide''! Or they draw solace from triumphant matches in the past. Foolish!

Yeah. At least they support their team.

 

[Satan666]

Yeah. At least they support their team.

Really has India ever been a force to reckoned with in international cricket? The English, West Indians and Aussies have all dominated cricket for years, the South Africans have been a force since theyre return to cricket in the early 90's and Pakistan have always been the standout team of the sub continent. So guess you guys support defeats more than victories, HAHAHHAAH!


*Sure some Indian fan is gonna post, "We were number one' and ''Sachin is the best yarr!''

 

[1iram1]

Really has India ever been a force to reckoned with in international cricket? The English, West Indians and Aussies have all dominated cricket for years, the South Africans have been a force since theyre return to cricket in the early 90's and Pakistan have always been the standout team of the sub continent. So guess you guys support defeats more than victories, HAHAHHAAH!


*Sure some Indian fan is gonna post, "We were number one' and ''Sachin is the best yarr!''

And yet your national team is India

 

[Lee1981]

And yet your national team is India

I'm English, yet I know and accept our natinal football team is absolute poop.

You can support your team and not be blinded their obvious flaws.

So I don't get your point

Are you trying to say as he is Indian he has to believe there great when quite clearly they are not.?

 

[SaiSrini]

And yet your national team is India

He is not Indian. He has his national team as "India" probably for sarcastic or for purely fun purposes.

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I'm English, yet I know and accept our natinal football team is absolute poop.

You can support your team and not be blinded their obvious flaws.

So I don't get your point

Are you trying to say as he is Indian he has to believe there great when quite clearly they are not.?

We were never great like the West Indies of the 70's and 80's or the Aussies of the 90's and 2000's, I accept... But to say that India were never a force to be reckoned with in international cricket, and that Pakistan have been the standout team from the subcontinent? Even a guy on drugs won't say that... India have been the better team from the subcontinent in the past decade. We have consistently beat Pakistan and Sri Lanka in the past decade (Sri Lanka more so)... Pakistan used to have a wood on us in the 90's and before, but after the 2000 came in, we have had the wood over them consistently..... Go and ask any opposition on who would you rather not face from the subcontinent, and they would say "India". And when was England great? England hit a short bubble in the year before or two when they won the Ashes in Australia and beat India at home... But then again the bubble has been burst and they are back to square one. Being the inventors of the game, England were never a champion side for a long enough time like the WI or the Aussies. South Africa have been consistent side, but they often choke up when they have to cross the next level to greatness. India have mostly been tigers at home, and pussies abroad (that record was pretty well reversed by Ganguly, Dravid, Sachin, Laxman, Kumble and co in the last decade, but Dhoni and Fletcher are trying to bring it back to square one).

P.s: Untouchables is a prick, and his presence here in this forum has the very intention to provoke Indian fans who are emotional and passionate about Indian cricket.......

 

[1iram1]

I'm English, yet I know and accept our natinal football team is absolute poop.

You can support your team and not be blinded their obvious flaws.

So I don't get your point

Are you trying to say as he is Indian he has to believe there great when quite clearly they are not.?

Yeah I see where you're coming from (I feel the same way about the Bangladesh cricket team), but if you look at his posts, you'll notice that he bashes India and Tendulkar in almost every one of them. A pathetic troll, in other words.

 

[War]

And when was England great? England hit a short bubble in the year before or two when they won the Ashes in Australia and beat India at home... But then again the bubble has been burst and they are back to square one. Being the inventors of the game, England were never a champion side for a long enough time like the WI or the Aussies.

Just a slight correction on this specific point. England are actually the only team in the post war cricket history of multiple competitive teams to have dominated world cricket on somewhat comparable level to the great windies 76-95 & aus 95-2007 sides.

England were the # 1 side from 1951-1958 in which they were unbeaten in test cricket during that period. But they were somewhat of a boring # 1 team - compared to the windies & aus teams.