England in India - Oct to Jan 2012/13

[ste_mc_efc]

I don't get the argument that india have lots of young talented batsmen coming through. the standard/pitces of the ranji trophy means you can take off 15 runs at least from their FC average (probably more) to guess their test averages, and with the amount of ODI's played in india where par scores are over 300 means that odi performances don't have that much weight to them

 

[icyman]

The entire issue starts with India giving its player a 'longer rope than is required'. That certainly has been the trend under MSD. One can recount a lot of instances when you have had utterly dismal performers find their name on the scorecard, whereas potential stars have been cooling their heels off.

The current management has also been bringing up a 'domestic nobody' to play and the same has been defended by India's captain.

One feels sad for talented players like Rahane, Tiwary, Badri, who have all been in the 15, but have never been given a chance to play due to whimsical reasoning. Instead you see the one match wonders of Ranji playing in the XI[read Jadeja and Chawla].

 

[MUFC1987]

Well, winning in Australia was something that looked impossible followed closely by winning in India from 5 or so years ago. We've made huge strides since the pre-Hussain days and this is just unreal for me. I mean, whatever next? Beating Pakistan away?

Seriously though, great effort from all involved, including the coaching staff. Big of Flower to hold his hands up for the first test and then get it right and turn it around, I think we're lucky to have him in charge.

No surprise to see Bell cash in on a flat pitch either, but it was nice of him to play a good innings when we needed it for once.

 

[barmyarmy]

Compton is the most impressive youngster of the series for me, he was a bit too defensive at times, but atleast its better than giving up in away conditions, he is a really good find, was more useful than what his stats suggest.

Not quite the adjective I'd have used. He's two years older than Cook.

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It could just be me but arguing about Panesar vs Bresnan at this point feels like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

There's definitely something mental about spin for this side. Previous England teams have lost in India but few so abjectly.

Inspired by Haari's series victory for England projection I once again prove why I regularly finish last in Fantasy Cricket.

 

[War]

I don't get the argument that india have lots of young talented batsmen coming through. the standard/pitces of the ranji trophy means you can take off 15 runs at least from their FC average (probably more) to guess their test averages, and with the amount of ODI's played in india where par scores are over 300 means that odi performances don't have that much weight to them

Ye basically this is the case. The amount of times i hear triple hundreds being scored in india first class cricket is ridiculous. When i heard ravindra jadeja for eg already had 3 triple tones i was amazed.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

doesn't touting that rather sit at odds with the other line that indian batsmen can't make long innings because they're too obsessed with the IPL? when lots of contradictory reasons get brought up for a teams imminent decline it just sounds like people have decided they will decline and will happily endorse any arguement that suits what they already believe.

simply put, india have far too much depth. kohli and pujara are hardly bad players to bring into the batting line up, pretty sure a couple of the numerous potential batsmen they have will actually be good enough to play test cricket long term.

the big, serious cricket nations will always find players. it's not the best, most logical arguement I admit but it plays out by looking at the past. pakistan get their pace bowling line up decimated, they pick a new one. australia have gone through about 7 pace bowlers recently due to injuries. not all of them are great but neither are any of them clearly out of their depth.

ashwin, who has been so terrible this series was still able to utterly destroy new zealand. ohja has taken his wickets at 25 a piece this year. pujara has averaged 80 for the year, kohli 43 (which again, not great, still in line with guys like trott, KP, smith, ponting, warner, dilshan, all players that are considered strong established members of their team and no calls for their head.)

I'm not cheerleading for them, they've been pretty guff, and it does look like it will be a while before they're pushing the no.1 spot again. I'd certainly reckon they'll be comfortably beaten by south africa soon. but if anyone seriously thinks they're going to slip to the level of the west indies who still find a place in their team for bowlers that average over 40 and who's young hopefuls like like barat and braithewaite are batting about 20 then I'd happily take that bet. (especially seeing as the windies have still given no indication they're ready to move on from relying heavily on chanderpaul, who is about a year younger than tendulkar)

they play test cricket at a different level from new zealand and the west indies, they are miles apart.

sri lanka, sadly may well be looking at a period of more serious decline.

 

[spooony]

doesn't touting that rather sit at odds with the other line that indian batsmen can't make long innings because they're too obsessed with the IPL? when lots of contradictory reasons get brought up for a teams imminent decline it just sounds like people have decided they will decline and will happily endorse any arguement that suits what they already believe.

simply put, india have far too much depth. kohli and pujara are hardly bad players to bring into the batting line up, pretty sure a couple of the numerous potential batsmen they have will actually be good enough to play test cricket long term.

the big, serious cricket nations will always find players. it's not the best, most logical arguement I admit but it plays out by looking at the past. pakistan get their pace bowling line up decimated, they pick a new one. australia have gone through about 7 pace bowlers recently due to injuries. not all of them are great but neither are any of them clearly out of their depth.

ashwin, who has been so terrible this series was still able to utterly destroy new zealand. ohja has taken his wickets at 25 a piece this year. pujara has averaged 80 for the year, kohli 43 (which again, not great, still in line with guys like trott, KP, smith, ponting, warner, dilshan, all players that are considered strong established members of their team and no calls for their head.)

I'm not cheerleading for them, they've been pretty guff, and it does look like it will be a while before they're pushing the no.1 spot again. I'd certainly reckon they'll be comfortably beaten by south africa soon. but if anyone seriously thinks they're going to slip to the level of the west indies who still find a place in their team for bowlers that average over 40 and who's young hopefuls like like barat and braithewaite are batting about 20 then I'd happily take that bet. (especially seeing as the windies have still given no indication they're ready to move on from relying heavily on chanderpaul, who is about a year younger than tendulkar)

they play test cricket at a different level from new zealand and the west indies, they are miles apart.

sri lanka, sadly may well be looking at a period of more serious decline.

Batting paradise = Crappier batsman

Just ask Australia

 

[Haarithan]

Seen many dubbing Compton to be a "youngster" when he's actually 29 years old.. Thought I'd let you lot know. Mightily impressive though - himself and Joe Root.

 

[Haarithan]

BBC Sport - James Anderson & Jonathan Trott rested for England ODIs

Twenty20 squad: Jonny Bairstow, Tim Bresnan, Danny Briggs, Jos Buttler, Jade Dernbach, Alex Hales, James Harris, Michael Lumb, Stuart Meaker, Eoin Morgan (capt), Samit Patel, Joe Root, James Tredwell, Luke Wright.

ODI squad: Alastair Cook (capt), Jonny Bairstow, Ian Bell, Tim Bresnan, Danny Briggs, Jos Buttler, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Craig Kieswetter, Stuart Meaker, Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, Kevin Pietersen, James Tredwell, Chris Woakes.

KP's part of the ODI squad, meaning he'll miss only the T20s...

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Swann rested for both the T20s and the ODIs?!

 

[barmyarmy]

Seen many dubbing Compton to be a "youngster" when he's actually 29 years old.. Thought I'd let you lot know. Mightily impressive though - himself and Joe Root.

Well obviously 29 is young...

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Strange decision to have KP in the ODI squad but not the T20 one. They've added Root but not him.

 

[Aditya]

I really don't like it when people start questioning Dhoni for what has happened to the Indian team in the last year and a half. What do you expect from him? He's a WKB. He hasn't been great with the bat, that's a pretty obvious fact but really who is there who can replace him in the team? Wriddhiman/Parthiv/Kartik all have been given chances before and if there is one WK who can be tried it is Wriddhiman but the question that now rises is, can he bat? If yes, can he bat as well as Dhoni? Can he play under pressure? We all know how a batsman like Kohli, whose great in ODI's has struggled in tests. Say whatever you wanna, he simply hasn't been as effective in tests as he has been in ODI's.

Coming to the Indian bowling, nothing is left to say here. England spinners let's admit it, were far more better than ours. Their pacers compared with ours were way way way ahead. So, what can Dhoni really do here? Bowl himself?

Dhoni cannot be replaced, at least not for now. Moving on and coming to Sachin. I expect him to do a press conference and face the pressure and let the cricket fans know what he's really thinking, that's something he's very poor at. Communicating is very crucial and if I may take Ponting's example here, he was struggling a lot with the bat for more than 2 years and it's fitting to say here, he even at that time had a very strong body language, that just isn't the case with Tendulkar. If he wants to play, then no one can stop him but at least he should play with an open mind and play his natural game rather than being under pressure and if anything, putting pressure on the whole team. How often do we actually see Sachin talking to young Indian bowlers and telling them how to bowl. I mean, why are senior players in team? So as to they can help the younger players but it's beyond me why Sachin's so poor at that.

Imran Khan, one of Pakistan's finest captains and players, if not the finest, was an excellent senior players. Wasim Akram once said in an interview that when he was new to International cricket, Imran came to him after every ball and helped him to understand about the correct line and length and actually told him how to bowl the next ball. Now, that's an excellent senior players.

Having said all this, it's very appropriate to say that England deserved to win. They came to India, proved they can play spin, proved they can bowl spin better than our bowlers, showed character and determination, took test cricket session by session and won the series. They cannot be praised enough for the exceptional cricket they have played in this series.

 

[Aalay]

The Great Mithun is back.

Vinay Kumar ruled out of T20s, Mithun in as replacement - The Times of India

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Don't think many english fans care about these limited overs games.

Obviously i'd rather we won, but if we got whitewashed in the odi's my care-o-meter would barely vibrate.

The world cup is the only time odi results matter to me

 

[Lee1981]

Don't think many english fans care about these limited overs games.

Obviously i'd rather we won, but if we got whitewashed in the odi's my care-o-meter would barely vibrate.

The world cup is the only time odi results matter to me

Agreed

No interest whatsoever

 

[barmyarmy]

I care so little I can't even be bothered finishing thi