England in India - Oct to Jan 2012/13

Agreed

No interest whatsoever

there is a little interest in the context of improving and preparing a OD squad for the world cup, but it's all about performance and improvements with results not registering. in 6 months time i probably won't even remember the score, but i will remember players who do well
 
BBC Sport - James Anderson & Jonathan Trott rested for England ODIs




KP's part of the ODI squad, meaning he'll miss only the T20s...

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Swann rested for both the T20s and the ODIs?!

I recall hearing hussain, gower & co saying on skysports during the test series that Prior was about to be given another go as odi keeper this time in a # 6/7 role in place of kieswetter. Will be interesting to see if that ever comes to past, because its strange that Prior has not been able to forge a successful limited overs career.

Overall this is guess is pretty close to England best odi/t20 teams even with all the players rested. I think Hales is unlucky to not yet be part of the odi plans & the fact that Lumb is being considered still for T20s as usual means Owais Shah & Peter Trego are very unlucky not to be part of that set-up.

This limited overs series though clearly will not have a major bearing on the champions trophy, 2014 t20 w-cup & 2015 w-cup thinking. But i'll be looking forward to seeing Finn/Meaker open the bowling hopefully in the odi's - that the future of our attack alongside Anderson

best xi's based on the squads picked probably would be:

t20 - hales, lumb, wright, morgan, bairstow, patel, buttler, bresnan, briggs, meaker, dernbach

odi - cook, kp, bell, bairstow, morgan, kieswetter, patel, bresnan, woakes, finn, meaker
 
Don't think many english fans care about these limited overs games.

Obviously i'd rather we won, but if we got whitewashed in the odi's my care-o-meter would barely vibrate.

The world cup is the only time odi results matter to me

I agree. The most suitable format to play Tests in is head to head series, the most pointless format for ODIs is head to head series.

Winning the World Cup is the ultimate in one day cricket, playing the same side 5-7 times in a row in conditions that may or may not be the same as the next World Cup venue achieves nothing but boredom. They are too often one sided, boring runfests and aren't over quickly enough.

Much better they just have the World Cup every three years say, playing a major but smaller competition in every other year and/or maybe 1-2 triangulars or quadrangulars a year so sides can play in different conditions against different opposition so they don't enter the competitions proper without some kind of practice.

T20s are of no interest, maybe just leave the IPL to indulge itself and scrap every other T20
 
I personally hope that its not a unanimous consensus among England fans that they don't take odi series seriously. If England want to be a real dominant team & catch south Africa, that's not an approach fans should have. When Australia dominated they didn't undervalue odi's.

Thankfully though since the fletcher era as England coach thats not how the team views odi's. The problem with the english limited overs set-up ever since the 1992 world cup, is that basically we have not produced good one-day cricketers in enough quality.

But in recent years ever since they won the t20 world cup, things have been improving slowly & their 50/t20 teams need as much recognition as the test team.
 
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it isn't unanimous, a lot of the more casual fans like them, as they can go for a day out and have an end product in terms of a result
 
it isn't unanimous, a lot of the more casual fans like them, as they can go for a day out and have an end product in terms of a result

There have been too many pointless ODI series in recent history.The interest in ODI is waning,yet I don't hate the format.
While most of the people out there chose the extreme ends of the spectrum,I would choose Odi over T20 any day.
There are also too many changes being made to One day cricket while the only thing this format needs is more tournaments and less bilateral series.
 
If Dhoni was smart, he should have ignored that specific ipl question by the reporter, given the state of indian cricket at the moment. Surely team india has a public relations officer who should be smart enough to prevent players from making such silly comments, when the indian public is concerned about the test team & the feel the players care about ipl riches more. Bad move.

But yea its obvious that the england player contract system (the retainers, not the incremental) is the most rigid in the world cricket, thats why more england players dont go to ipl freely & the franchises won't risk signing. Thats why the pietersen saga happened essentially.
 
doesn't touting that rather sit at odds with the other line that indian batsmen can't make long innings because they're too obsessed with the IPL? when lots of contradictory reasons get brought up for a teams imminent decline it just sounds like people have decided they will decline and will happily endorse any arguement that suits what they already believe.


I don't see the link really. Historically its a fact india's first-class bowling has always been poor, especially in the quick bowling area. Kapil Dev, Srinath & Zaheer is the only three fast-bowlers in the countries history that of been of solid test standard - that tells you everything. Which is why a procession of india batsmen for over 80 years may dominate in first-class with high averages - but get found out when the face high quality pace. So if an Indian batsman averages 50-60 in their domestic game - it has to be taken with a massive pinch of salt until the come on the world stage and bat. Its only the special ones like gavaskar, tendulkar etc break the norm

You could more accept a australian, english or s africa (windies to some degree in their heyday) with such an average from their first-class system because the standards of their first-class systems is much closer to that of test cricket.

simply put, india have far too much depth. kohli and pujara are hardly bad players to bring into the batting line up, pretty sure a couple of the numerous potential batsmen they have will actually be good enough to play test cricket long term.

I'm not cheerleading for them, they've been pretty guff, and it does look like it will be a while before they're pushing the no.1 spot again. I'd certainly reckon they'll be comfortably beaten by south africa soon. but if anyone seriously thinks they're going to slip to the level of the west indies who still find a place in their team for bowlers that average over 40 and who's young hopefuls like like barat and braithewaite are batting about 20 then I'd happily take that bet. (especially seeing as the windies have still given no indication they're ready to move on from relying heavily on chanderpaul, who is about a year younger than tendulkar)

they play test cricket at a different level from new zealand and the west indies, they are miles apart.

As other indian posters have mentioned if india's selectors get super brave 2moro and decide to drop gambhir, sehwag & tendy - india certainly have the performing batsmen scoring heavily domestically as usual like rahane, mukund, mandeep sigh, tiwary, sharma, badrinath, dhawan who they can throw into the test team to play alongside kohili & pujara.

But for aforementioned reasons, that batting "depth" could easily turn out to be test failures like yuvraj, raina, vijay, kambli - because of historical trend most talented indian batsmen coming from the first-class game struggle to adapt to test out - except an elite few like big 5 of tendy, dravid, vvs, azhar, ganguly or the 80s 70s/80s trio of gavaskar, vishy & vengsarkar.

2002-2011 was the most consistent era of india cricket in tests. Before that they were losing overseas in n zealand & windies (when they were in decline) could not even beat zimbabwe overseas. Although im not suggesting they will reach back to those low heights in test, its not unimaginable that they could slip behind the west indies who are improving & as i showed you before, a west indies (a) team recently beat an india (a) team in the caribbean in july, which tells me that the current india team in decline is by no means miles ahead of the windies.

West Indies have fast bowlers who can rough up indian next generation of batsmen if can't overcame their historical Achilles heel of playing pace. Which will very much balance out for india probably having better upcoming batting talent than the windies - even if Chanderpaul retires soon (although i suspect he might play until 40) & the usual lack of indian fast-bowlers & sudden lack of truly quality spinners that they traditionally produced every week.
 
Just had a look at the line ups. India are by far the favorites. If they don't win today, then they need a new team.
 
Atleast happy that they have picked both Dinda and Awana together and have let them play. What happened to Sehwag meanwhile? Rested or just dropped?
 
Official word is he opted out of the T20 series. But, the growing disharmony on the Indian team suggests otherwise.
 
Almost run a ball needed as Dhoni walks in. How many think he will do the tuk tuk stuff again?
 
Almost run a ball needed as Dhoni walks in. How many think he will do the tuk tuk stuff again?

Inspired by Misbah.

Anyways, as expected India won. Nice to see Yuvraj hit the ball as sweetly as he did.
 

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