England In India - October 2011/12

[0601731]

I disagree, and think some foreigners are way too sensitive to words that they might find offensive but how's about instead of expecting everyone else to understand their culture etc, they understand our's.................? I wouldn't like it if someone called me a donkey, but I wouldn't throw a wobbly over it. It's one of the lesser 'insults', if he'd called then 'useless c**ts' then fair enough be 'outraged'.

To me 'dumbass' is a nothing insult, yanks get all upset about it. Shows the difference in cultures, and I don't mean yanks and indians are oversensitive drama queens, I mean to one culture one word is a mild compared to it's perception in another.

And the woman that they wanted to flog because she called a teddy bear, well I won't say what, but let's just say muslims didn't take kindly to it. To her it was a name, you see loads of cricketers called it so why should she think you can't call a teddy bear it?!?!? People are different, I'm sure Hussain (Nasser I assume) wasn't setting out to offend the population of India.

What does irritate me is the way waves of certain nationalities are up in arms about what ONE person SAID. It's his opinion, who says speech has 'freedom', it's not even like his opinion matters - doesn't make it a 'fact' that needs to be challenged in a court of law with the death penalty hanging over his head

Unlike the guy in USA who wanted to burn the Koran, a deliberate act so somewhat different to use of words.

I will say at this point that is my last comment on the matter, while I don't wish to make a statement and not have 'right to reply', I would like to point out that it wasn't my intention to say that much, or indeed to go off topic, so if we can keep replies to a minimum (trust me, I won't read them) and stay on topic that would be appreciated by me, mods and most. You could blame me for taking it off topic, but the person who tossed toys out of his pram over the word 'donkey' is to blame



Not sure I care that England won, India don't look like they care much about this tour and just want to get home. The real test for England will be the ODIs, I fear if England do win it may be clouded in doubt over the 'integrity' of the result. I don't mean offence and I am in no way suggesting India will go out to lose, I'm struggling for a good word to say the result may be partly down to India's long tour, fatigue and the 0-4 Test series defeat may just make them a 'spent force' I think most level headed people will understand where I'm coming from, it's like killing a wounded tiger, had the tiger been unharmed you wonder if you would have killed it at all/so easily.

I think the beast may bite back, I'm just saying that if England win will it be because they're now a force in ODIs or because India just want to go home and have been demoralised by events preceding the ODIs. I prefer ODIs before the Tests, for one they can make up time in Tests, play during the day and don't necessarily last the five days. I'd rather have one Test result decided by rain and bad light (drawn) than have ODI series results decided by D/L.

Whether or not D/L is a good way of deciding shortened matches, I prefer results where both sides play the same number of overs (preferably 50 each) and there's no "X won by Y runs (D/L method)". What's the point one side scoring however many runs and the other side chasing a totally different target over a different number of overs?!?!?! If anything "just isn't cricket" then that is. Why not have one side bat 50 overs and the other 20 overs? No wait, that is possible and may happen one day (no pun intended) if it hasn't already. In Tests they bat different lengths of time and in different conditions, but that is part of the game (format).

Did you feel the same about Andrew Symonds being called a monkey??

 

[Dr. Pepper]

There's a huge difference between the two.

 

[Themer]

Did you feel the same about Andrew Symonds being called a monkey??

Hahaha. One is a racial slur, the other a word that refers to someone who is bad at something.

 

[0601731]

Hahaha. One is a racial slur, the other a word that refers to someone who is bad at something.

Well as Owzat said, what is considered an insult in one culture might not be the same for others. If that is the case and calling someone a donkey is justified on that basis then ask any Indian,monkey is used pretty often and its not considered a racial slur at all.

Edit: Just to be clear i don't support any racial slurs nor do i think what hussain said is a big deal coz honestly donkeys would probably be better in the field than someone like a Munaf Patel but saying all Indians are drama queens is just not acceptable.

 

[Aalay]

Well no one is making fuss about it. You have to respect each and every player when you are commenting something about him in front of whole world from the commentary box. If Nasser said something like: Parthiv's effort was poor or he was being lazy, but calling him donkey? Like where the hell did that come from? Well anyways he won't come here to watch our comments, so no point in fighting I think.

Really excited for ODI's.

 

[SaiSrini]

Since when has donkey been a sensitive word?

Did you read my post properly? Better start knowing about Indians more.

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I found it disturbing only 'cause the duo sitting next to him were none other than Sunny and Shitsthri during this comment! Sai and Aalay can seriously stop making a meal out of this now, the former in special, who just wrote an essay on various cultures of the world.

I am not alone dude! Read this

Outrage over Nasser Hussain's 'donkey shocker' - The Times of India

 

[ZoraxDoom]

@Zorax: That doesn't hold water. If people start crossing lines and talk whatever they want, then this world will become a hell of a place to live in. There are atleast millions of people in India (if not the entire billion population) who take serious objection to the word 'donkey', so try telling that population to grow up.

You know I'm Indian too yea? Live around Indians my whole life? Donkey isn't offensive. You're just being annoying.

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Wow, I see where everyone is coming from when they call Indians cry babies.

For The Record, NONE of my Indian fans are least bit offended by it. A large portion of the Indian population barely follows cricket outside of the WC, and the ones that too all agree that India's fielding sucks, and no one has taken offence to what Nass said. Slightly offended by the Vaseline accusation, but that's that. I don't know what Sai and that newspaper are on about, but we all aren't like that.

 

[Auwais]

He's insulted hardworking donkeys by comparing them to the lazy Indian fielders.

I hope PETA take him to court.

 

[Themer]

but calling him donkey? Like where the hell did that come from?

Donkey also means someone who lacks skill. That's where it came from.

 

[Sureshot]

There's a huge difference between the two.

This, plus a million.

Weather looks iffy tomorrow.

 

[BKB1991]

Probably shouldnt have called him a donkey regardless of whatever happened. But I think we shouldnt let this issue get dragged out of proportion. Ideally Hussain should apologize. Thing is, I think Hussain would have said the same if it was an English player who committed the blunder.

 

[SaiSrini]

Probably shouldnt have called him a donkey regardless of whatever happened. But I think we shouldnt let this issue get dragged out of proportion. Ideally Hussain should apologize. Thing is, I think Hussain would have said the same if it was an English player who committed the blunder.

Well, Hussain is not being accused of being a racist. Don't care if people from other countries do not react to such words, but we do (Zorax doesn't probably mingle much with Indians; its amazing how he does not know that the word 'donkey' is offensive to Indians). In Hindi, "gadha" (donkey) is considered an offensive word and Zorax calls himself Indian and says he doesnt know the word is offensive? WOW!

@Auwais: Have donkeys play cricket and have them face up to England's donkeys (don't want to insult England players by having them face up to donkeys on the field because I respect human beings and more so the players)? Why waste our precious time when we have other better things to do?

 

[Dr. Pepper]

You're making a mountain out of a molehill. In the context, it was a perfectly fine description and taking offence to it is ridiculous.

 

[Adarsh]

To be very honest, calling someone a donkey is hardly an insult. Just need to get on with it. Then again, Harbhajan calling Symonds a monkey is hardly an
insult either. Just interpreted as some big racial slur.

Wonder why people all around the world get so sensitive about ridiculous issues like name calling. Anyway, lets move on to more serious business.

 

[BKB1991]

Point is Sai, if an Indian mate, or anyone calls you a 'ghada' how seriously are you going to take it?

Cricket please.