England In India - October 2011/12

[rocky13]

England are really shite in ODI's in the sub-continent lol. Yes, we have a few missing from the XI but really, we are shite. I wish there could have been a test series after this, now that I reckon would have been a good close encounter

Include Tests + T20s in that list and it will be correct. They haven't proved themselves in any format of the game accept they've been winning at home. This was the time they proved themselves and they actually did by proving that they do suck away from their suitable pitches.

 

[angryangy]

Well isn't that just the pot calling the kettle donkey

 

[AngryPixel]

lol. Yeah. Both England and India are yet to prove themselves away from home. I reckon the No.1 ranking in Tests would keep on changing in next few years between Eng/Aus/Ind/SAF. Which is in fact good for cricket. 4 way tussle for number 1 is always better than one team dominating all the time and others trying to catch up. aka 90's

 

[rocky13]

lol. Yeah. Both England and India are yet to prove themselves away from home. I reckon the No.1 ranking in Tests would keep on changing in next few years between Eng/Aus/Ind/SAF. Which is in fact good for cricket. 4 way tussle for number 1 is always better than one team dominating all the time and others trying to catch up. aka 90's

yeah man Test rankings are just useless. We don't need them atm because there is no team so far who can claim to be the best. India had the number 1 spot because they were feeding it off of their home winnings and same goes on with England, maybe even more than India because England only played Ashes away from home and did good but other than that, they have only gone down where India has atleast drawn series against some. But all in all, no one can be declared the best side or better than the other. Same goes on with T20 because if one batsman gets set then he can win the match for the team with couple of slogs so it can't be determined if a team is the best in T20 or better than the other. But as far as the ODIs go, India can rightfully claim the "little better" crown as they have proven themselves at home and away from home. This is not where you just slog(T20) or take advantage of long play on comfortable home pitches (tests) to win the match. ODI's can be turned around or one sided depending on how good the team plays. So all of you who don't care about ODIs, start caring because the real competition that avoids home advantage is rooted in this format. This is the format that hold the world cup so start caring about it. Its not like your team is losing so you say "I don't care about ODIs because they suck".

 

[Owzat]

Borthwick was absolutely dreadful and just whom India needed to showcase their art of explosive batting in the middle overs, in spite languishing at 25-2 after 10 overs.

I wasn't far wrong when I said if India were 50/3 they'd be in a strong position after 30 overs. OK I couldn't have foreseen they'd be a lot better than 131/4 or whatever I said, but it was predictable.

My million dollar question however is -

Why is Samit Patel in the playing XI as an 'all-rounder' when he gets to bowl just 10 odd deliveries of pies?

England are wrapped up in batting, seemingly oblivious that you need bowlers to contain the opposition by taking wickets and not conceding runs. The fewer wickets you take, the less the control, the bigger the total. India winning with near 10 overs to spare was no fluke, England lost control and the magic trump was simply their fourth and fifth bowlers this time. There weren't enough runs to defend, England didn't bat their 50 overs or even close, but Borthwick, Patel and Bopara bowled 11.1-0-86-0 in a match where England were trying to defend a total not even three times that.

England will again look at the batting, with some justification this time, but the pick of their bowlers this series is Finn with 6 wkts @ 34.33, the rest taking their wickets at 45.00+

England may not have scored enough runs or coped with spin, but the bowlers have taken just 15 wickets in FOUR ODIs, you might expect that in two. England aren't even inconveniencing the Indian batsmen.

Patel isn't the answer, if he is I'd hate to think what the question is. If he's to be our number seven in overseas World Cups then he'd better do better than his 72 runs @ 24.00 and 1 wkt @ 125.00. Even as a sixth or seventh bowler he'd not be up to much, at seven he'll struggle to be of sufficient impact with the bat. You need more BALANCE in ODIs than Tests, no good trying to make someone into something they're not. How come Rashid is forgotten about altogether? And why does it have to be a spinner all-rounder anyway?

Bopara hasn't fared much better, 19.00 average with bat and 10 overs for 68 runs conceded and no wickets taken.

 

[Haarithan]

International Cricket Council - News

What a load of rubbish! Yeah, happy to know that England are deservingly the top ranked side, but a defeat against India in the upcoming one-off t20 will allow the latter to leapfrog England. Awesome, 'cause that's what you get when you win 8 T20s on the trott while the other side is yet to win a Super 8 World T20 match over the last 2 World cups. Not to forget that England did win their T20 encounter against India back in England. Absolute farce of a system.

 

[Zidanes]

a real winnin team is one that wins on the foreign ground as well as on home ground. Now a days , it could be hardly seen.

 

[swacker]

Another poor performance from England in an ODI in India. I remember watching the series in 2006 when we lost 6-1 then in 2008 when we lost 5-0 and we were totally outclassed and embarrassed in both series.

 

[Aalay]

International Cricket Council - News

What a load of rubbish! Yeah, happy to know that England are deservingly the top ranked side, but a defeat against India in the upcoming one-off t20 will allow the latter to leapfrog England. Awesome, 'cause that's what you get when you win 8 T20s on the trott while the other side is yet to win a Super 8 World T20 match over the last 2 World cups. Not to forget that England did win their T20 encounter against India back in England. Absolute farce of a system.

Well that's the point. If you are no 1 side then prove it by winning your game AWAY FROM HOME. If you win that you will keep your ranking, if you lose it then you go down on rankings. BTW This T20 rankings is totally BS.

I really want to see Manoj Tiwary playing tomorrow instead of Parthiv Patel.

 

[icyman]

Tiwary should be brought in for the last match now. Parthiv can drop out and Gambhir should go back to the openers slot. Bowling looks pretty fine to me as of now. Don't think that the think tank would change the team much here.

England need to desperately bring in Ian Bell now-atleast for the last game

 

[Rohit Doshi]

XI For tomorrows game will be

Gautam Gambhir
Parthiv Patel
Virat Kohli
Manoj Tiwary
Suresh Raina
MS Dhoni
Ravindra Jadeja
Rahul Sharma
Varun Aaron
Sreenath Aravind
Praveen Kumar

 

[0601731]

XI For tomorrows game will be

Gautam Gambhir
Parthiv Patel
Virat Kohli
Manoj Tiwary
Suresh Raina
MS Dhoni
Ravindra Jadeja
Rahul Sharma
Varun Aaron
Sreenath Aravind
Praveen Kumar

You think Rahane will be dropped??Not happening, it ll be parthiv making way for Tiwary unless someone else is rested.

 

[Rohit Doshi]

If he plays I see Raina being rested

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

at least they make more sense than the ODI rankings in which australia have been entrenched at number 1 for ages.

 

[Aalay]

I see only 2 changes in the team.

Manoj Tiwary for Parthiv Patel
Rahul Sharma for Ashwin
Maybe Sreenath Arvind for Vinay Kumar

So team should be like this:
Rahane
Gambhir
Kohli
Tiwary
Raina
Dhoni
Jadeja
Rahul
Praveen
Varun
Vinay/Arvind