England National football team thread

Yea i hope somehow it can be overturned, it was really dumb. Really need Sturridge fit now.

I would suggest calling up Agbonlahor, since i think he is the best englishman behind Welbeck in the league that can play that left-sided attacking striker role. Defoe isn't very good on the flanks & i'm not sure if i'd start Sterling or Townsend out there.
 
Yea i hope somehow it can be overturned, it was really dumb. Really need Sturridge fit now.

I would suggest calling up Agbonlahor, since i think he is the best englishman behind Welbeck in the league that can play that left-sided attacking striker role. Defoe isn't very good on the flanks & i'm not sure if i'd start Sterling or Townsend out there.

Really impressed with Welbeck tonight. I think this is really going to be his season for Utd and England. :) Shame he won't be able to play in the Ukraine game due to a couple of really dumb refereeing decisions.
 
The truth is that England have always been average at best, and it's nothing to do with foreign players 'stealing jobs'.

Rubbish.

1970: Out at quarter finals due to a goalkeeping howler than Banksy would never have made.

1986: Cheated out of the tournament by an Argentinian munchkin.

1990: Took Germany all the way in semi final - probably would've won Cup if reached Final. Not to mention Germany's goal was down to the most jammiest of deflections off Parker, as well as other misfortunes such as the (scientifically proven) fact that rounded goalposts would've seen Waddle's shot go in instead of hit the post and go out (posts were squared in those days). Out on penalties of course.

(1992 - 1994 - clueless manager with some perplexing squad choices; didn't qualify for 1994 World Cup and took off top goalscorer when losing vs Sweden in 1992).

1996: Best team in the tournament and once again unlucky to go out to Germany (on penalties naturally).

1998: Took Argentina all the way to penalties despite being down to ten men. Would've gone through if ref. could do his job and a) recognise that what Beckham did was never a straight red and b) not disallow a perfectly good goal.

2004: Could well have won the tournament had Rooney stayed fit. Wouldn't be the first time one player has dragged his team to glory (Maradona anyone?) Out on penalties (see a pattern developing here?)

2006: Granted - very average until Portugal game where we matched them stride for stride only to lose on penalties. Again.

After 2006, there isn't really anything to write home about. OK - we took Italy to penalties but that was because they couldn't finish in that game, otherwise it would've been 5-0. And of course we eventually went out on penalties. Again.

I'd reword it and say that recently England have been average at best but to say we've never risen above average is poppycock. Furthermore, I'd say one of the key reasons we haven't done better is we can't take penalties! To win a tournament, you're going to have to win one or two shootouts.

And regardless of what that article says, regardless of what anyone here says, 32% players in the Premiership being English cannot be a good thing for the national team. That's a fact however you spin it! What was it a few years back - 38%? How long before it's in the twenties, the tens, or even less? Something has to be done now and I'm glad that Greg Dyke recognises that fact.

Foreign players are clearly not the reason for the failings of the English national side but even if they were, personally it's a price I'm more than willing to pay if it means my team is packed with top-class talent, regardless of what their nationality is. I guess that's a lot easier to say when you couldn't care less about the England team, though.

Which is why his entire article can be dismissed as far as I'm concerned. He says himself that there's a smaller pool of England players to choose from now compared to before; that is a bad thing for a National side however you spin it!
 
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England did have an excellent defensive unit from 2002-2006 but cramming star players into an unbalanced system did it for them.

Left wing was always an issue while Beckham excelled in a 4-4-2 on the right and Gerrard and Lampard excelled with two more defensive minded midfielders behind them.

As Lippi showed against Germany in that fantastic semi-final, if you don't want to go out on penalties, go for broke in extra-time!

His approach completely mirrored Pekerman who while leading against Germany took off his main man Riquelme and even after Germany inevitably equalised, left Messi on the bench.
 
England did have an excellent defensive unit from 2002-2006 but cramming star players into an unbalanced system did it for them.

Left wing was always an issue while Beckham excelled in a 4-4-2 on the right and Gerrard and Lampard excelled with two more defensive minded midfielders behind them.

As Lippi showed against Germany in that fantastic semi-final, if you don't want to go out on penalties, go for broke in extra-time!

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That left wing.... oh for Giggs to have chosen to continue with England (he played for us as a schoolboy I believe). We would've at least won Euro 96!

And the thing about extra time, we always have our chances. The amount of times I've seen a shot go just wide in ET, or we score a goal that gets disallowed, or that time in Euro 96 when Gazza was within inches of putting Germany out! England usually seem quite positive in ET, which makes sense given our dismal record in penalty shootouts. ;)
 
Giggs has never been eligible to play for England, I'm not sure where that myth came from.
 
Giggs has never been eligible to play for England, I'm not sure where that myth came from.

Turns out you're right: he never had the option of playing for England.

Apparently:

He did captain England schoolboys when he played at that level for Manchester United but, as Mark Wylie of the Manchester United museum explains: "That was due to residence. Plenty of Scots have played for England schools. It just depends on where you go to school."

So there you go. Still a damn shame though; he doesn't even sound Welsh. :p Can't remember if Bale does either. :lol
 
Everyone knows Giggs wasn't eligible for ENG. The wish that he could play for ENG like the case is with Bale now, is because we all know there international careers was/will be wasted playing for Wales.

However as i've mentioned before on this forum, the best Wales players who could play for England weould choose to play for ENG a lot more in the past & future if UEFA had a pre-qualifying stage before the main qualifiers for teams like Wales who have a abysmal record in euro & wcq qualifiers in UEFA history.
 
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Everyone knows Giggs wasn't eligible for ENG. The wish that he could play for ENG like the case is with Bale now, is because we all know there international careers was/will be wasted playing for Wales.

However as i've mentioned before on this forum, the best Wales players who could play for England weould choose to play for ENG a lot more in the past & future if UEFA had a pre-qualifying stage before the main qualifiers for teams like Wales who have a abysmal record in euro & wcq qualifiers in UEFA history.

True enough.

So - Tuesday. Sturridge, Rooney, Welbeck (cheers, idiot ref) all out. Who the hell are we going to play up front? Lambert obviously, but who else?
 
True enough.

So - Tuesday. Sturridge, Rooney, Welbeck (cheers, idiot ref) all out. Who the hell are we going to play up front? Lambert obviously, but who else?

I just pray to god Hodgson doesn't play Milner.

The more i think about it Sir Roy needs to do like Capello in Zagreb 2008 when he played the young Walcott in that crucial qualifier vs Croatia & unleash either one of Townsend or Sterling tuesday night.

Young is playing crap right now, so i won't start him.

One of the strong points of ENG has always been our pacy wingers, so let them run @ Ukraine instead of taking the safe option with Ukraine. These are the kind of games that will tell us how really talented these young players are.
 
 
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