England National football team thread

[treva]

The shot at Rio is predictable, as is the criticism of Stoke. Scholes and Giggs have scored plenty of wonder goals between them down the years.

Hyping up the above-average Lansbury is another strange one. I've seen nothing to convince me that Sterling is a bigger talent than Zaha, you should have mentioned Derby's Will Hughes or Southampton's Luke Shaw as other interesting talents.

England regularly do well at lower age levels, mainly because of their physical advantage over most other sides at those levels. Their problem is the technical and tactical deficiency at the top level.

Giggs isn't English, so that is a completely mute point.

Lansbury has been very good at Forest in the last few months and they definitely have a chance of promotion, he just needs that chance in the Premier League. Zaha is a big talent, but we're yet to see it in the Premier League. Sterling has proved, even at international level, that he will be a great player. I believe both of them will play a big part in England's 2018 World Cup squad.

 

[Auwais]

Giggs isn't English, so that is a completely mute point.

You could think of dozens of foreign players that could pull of the sublime in the Premier League, now think of British players

Just sayin'.

 

[treva]

Even so, the point stands, even with Giggs thrown in. And Bale for that matter.

 

[War]

Not sure about Landsbury to be fair. Long before Wilshire came on the scene i recall he was hyped English mid-fielder that was supposed to come through the Arsenal ranks. But he fell off into the championship.

Wenger for a long time this decade never had much English/british players his team, but they few he has graduated have been fairly solid.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

They are the most boring team I have ever seen, they deserve everything they get said about them. I watch football to be entertained, I feel sorry for Stoke fans paying a serious amount of money to see that crap week-in week-out. They have had 15 games this season where there have been less than 2 goals in a game. I appreciate the whole doing what they can to stay up and stay at mid-table but at some point they have to start trying to do something different. I would love them to get relegated next season, they were far more exciting the season they went up from the Championship.

Thanks for the read lads.

So what?

They are sports team trying to get the best results they can with the resources they have available. They are not the harlem globetrotters.

they don't have a moral obligation to entertain people who don't give a toss about them and will be quick to have a go if they fail to do so.

I think Stoke fans are generally fine with it, the small sample I know are. Rather be competetive in the top division and have a european trip than be an exciting team that missed out on the championship play-offs.

I'll stop here as i'll only start ranting about sky and pretense and probably get an infraction of some sort.

 

[treva]

I've never once said I don't understand why they do it, I understand it perfectly. I, and many others, just don't like it, and that's also pretty understandable.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

I just think it's easy, lazy and populist to throw in a quick shot at stoke. How many of their first team squad came out of their academy? 2 i think, shotton and Wilkinson.

Shotton was a CB who has been converted to RW/RB, he did a decent job in a few uefa cups games on the wing, so they must have developed a reasonable ball playing centre back

It's not so much a criticism of the article, more of a complaint that they get slagged off like that all the time and everywhere and I'm bored of it.

 

[treva]

I think in this case though it is a valid point. None of Stoke's players are England standard and yet they have the most home grown players. More a point that other teams need to be doing more to get their home grown players into their respective Premier League squads.

 

[War]

Norwich striker Grant Holt believes he should have been given a chance to play for England - Telegraph

Strangely ever since Hodgson, this Holt bloke keeps crying about not being picked & Hodgson ignoring players from the lower clubs.

Hodgson can be criticized for a lot of things, but clearly a lot of players from outside the big 6 clubs have been picked in his tenure so far.

Fact is a nations best players inevitably play at the leagues bigger clubs. Players outside these clubs generally have to stand out to get a call up.

Andy Carroll once playing well is younger a potentially a more dangerous option as a old fashioned English striker than Holt & Lambert anyway.

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[MasterBlaster76]

I think in this case though it is a valid point. None of Stoke's players are England standard and yet they have the most home grown players. More a point that other teams need to be doing more to get their home grown players into their respective Premier League squads.

Which is why I keep saying we need some sort of foreign player cap in the Premiership. I've said it before and I'll say it again: for a league to only have 38% native players is a ridiculous situation, which is being mirrored by what's going on with the England team.

 

[War]

David Beckham should be recalled for England by Roy Hodgson, says Martin Keown | Mail Online

Ha, A well reasoned point by the former Arsenal defender to be fair. Beckahm certainly didn't look out a place with his passing vs Barca although i did think it was risk PSG took by playing him in the 4-2-2-2 formation.

But recalling him would create a unprecedented media circus.

 

[War]

BBC Sport - England stars of future identified by FA development chief

 

[War]

Roy Hodgson attacks clubs for treating international breaks as holiday | Football | The Guardian

Yes we know for years now, the simple question is how is the FA going to stop this?

 

[MasterBlaster76]

Roy Hodgson attacks clubs for treating international breaks as holiday | Football | The Guardian

Yes we know for years now, the simple question is how is the FA going to stop this?

The clubs are right about one thing: the friendlies. As Sir Alex said, how does it make any sense to play an International friendly just before the season is due to kick off? And if Beckham can play like that vs Barcelona, he's still more than good enough for England. Who else do we have who can pass, cross and hit a dead ball like he can?

 

[Bevab]

Beckham had a Matuidi besides him, England have nobody similar to Matuidi in truth.