England National football team thread

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Ye that was a good soul searching article by Wilson. But geez I don't know even know if anyone really knows how the fix ENG football. The usual post tournament failure questions are being branded about winter breaks, b leagues, fixing coaching at youth level etc etc, the premier leagues faults etc etc

But its been almost 50 years since ENG won anything so clearly everyone has been wrong about everything. And this is strange because in other teams sports that England have proudly invented - at some point they have been able to conquer the biggest challenges & been the best.

This here among all the wild articles about currently is another decent read - Market capitalism reason behind England's World Cup failures, English players are being squeezed out - Telegraph

 

[ParkedTheBus]

Since things cant get any worse for England, this is the best time to implement the B teams idea, IMHO. The current plans are clearly not working the way they should, so there is no harm trying out a new thing which has paid rich dividends for other countries.

 

[Skater]

Since things can get any worse for England, this is the best time to implement the B teams idea, IMHO. The current plans are clearly not working the way they should, so there is no harm trying out a new thing which has paid rich dividends for other countries.

I'd rather the national team stayed crap than have the horrendous B team idea in place.

 

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BBC Sport - World Cup 2014: England boss Roy Hodgson 'got tactics wrong'

 

[Lee1981]

I get annoyed with the blame game culture

It's only really now that the England manager is getting a bit of slack, for the past 12 years at least the manager has taken the flack for our pathetic tournament record.

Players got off lightly, but manager after manager has failed with the same players and guess what people have finally realised it don't matter who is in charge our players our overated and generally pretty crap compared to our rivals.

We all got needlessly excited because we attacked with pace, like it was some new magic formula that no team has ever tried before.

It's actually laughable how bad we are compared to the top teams, and in fact how inept we are compared to some of the not so fancied teams, Columbia, Chile, Mexico.

Our players play with fear, no other real reason for failure than this, taking the fear away and bringing supreme confidence into our players is the key to change.

Watching these teams play with no fear is so enjoyable, watching our boys crap their pants when they get the ball is embrassing.

That's your Gerrard, Rooney included in this, complete fear of making mistakes and getting hammered by fans and the media.

Until we can find the formula to lose the fear nothing is gonna change.

 

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Don't blame foreign players for England's demise - blame greedy clubs and Englishmen happy to sit on the bench - Darren Lewis - Mirror Online

 

[SpitfiresKent]

^Garbage.

How many of the squad that went to Brazil sit on the bench for their clubs on a regular basis?

 

[Skater]

The bigger problem is how few English players go and play in top leagues abroad.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

blame those greedy clubs for trying to get as much value as possible for the players they have no chance in keeping once a big club comes knocking.

get stuffed lewis. it's the system that's messed up, not "greedy clubs"

 

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^^

Ye that's an old problem that is very much the players fault. Many English players due to premier leagues wages would willingly sit on the bench & collect those pay checks instead of trying to go abroad.

Since EURO 96 only Ince, McManaman, Beckham, Owen, Hargreaves, Woodgate, J Cole has played abroad. Tom Ince could have been a recent one at Inter Milan, who came calling for him - but he seemingly rejected that for the "hope" of 1st team chances a premier league club. If Tom Ince was French/Dutch/Spanish etc he would be at Inter right now.

The system is certainly broken too, because top English talent from the mid table/lower clubs get ridiculously overpriced when the big clubs come calling. This is why for example Newcastle found such better value in top french talent recently. I'm not sure how you improve this specific area.

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

Rodwell, Milner, Wright-Phillips even perhaps guys like bentley. there are definitely a few that have traded a future career for a pay cheque. however, blame does lie on the clubs too, I doubt carroll thought he'd end up bench fodder when liverpool paid 30m for him.

 

[ste_mc_efc]

Rodwell, Milner, Wright-Phillips even perhaps guys like bentley. there are definitely a few that have traded a future career for a pay cheque. however, blame does lie on the clubs too, I doubt carroll thought he'd end up bench fodder when liverpool paid 30m for him.

this is a good point.

I don't think players, when going to big clubs for big fees, do it for the pay cheque that often. It will happen, of course. But most of them likely back themselves to thrive at the new club and win trophies and play a part.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

I get annoyed with the blame game culture

It's only really now that the England manager is getting a bit of slack, for the past 12 years at least the manager has taken the flack for our pathetic tournament record.

Players got off lightly, but manager after manager has failed with the same players and guess what people have finally realised it don't matter who is in charge our players our overated and generally pretty crap compared to our rivals.

We all got needlessly excited because we attacked with pace, like it was some new magic formula that no team has ever tried before.

It's actually laughable how bad we are compared to the top teams, and in fact how inept we are compared to some of the not so fancied teams, Columbia, Chile, Mexico.

Our players play with fear, no other real reason for failure than this, taking the fear away and bringing supreme confidence into our players is the key to change.

Watching these teams play with no fear is so enjoyable, watching our boys crap their pants when they get the ball is embrassing.

That's your Gerrard, Rooney included in this, complete fear of making mistakes and getting hammered by fans and the media.

Until we can find the formula to lose the fear nothing is gonna change.

Agreed - I thought we'd found some of that against Italy - I saw no fear there, just a young England team who played some of the best football against a higher ranked team I've seen for years - but then against Uruguay, the fear returned and it was there for all to see.

 

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England World Cup flops must give Steve Peters' brain training time to work - Martin Lipton - Mirror Online

 

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