England Team Discussion

Possible Test England team for summer 2015 -

Hales
Ali
KP
Root ©
Bell
Taylor
Buttler (wk)
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
Plunkett

Rotation and reserves

Lyth (Wouldn’t Play him in top 3 would place him about 5 or 6. Think you have to ease an uncapped player into international cricket)
Balance
Vince
Bopara (Has matured and played some sensible innings in ODI (batting order 5-7) + medium bowling option for recent dead English pitches)
Rashid (ideal second spinner to partner Ali)
Stokes

In what way is that either possible or even desirable?

You've got an opener England barely trust in ODI let alone tests (Hales) and another who averages under 30 batting at 6 (Ali).

You've dropped a captain England build everything around not only as captain but from the whole squad.

You've kept Bell (avg 32.96 over 18 months) and dropped Ballance (avg 68).

You've put in Pietersen who has just been told he won't be picked this summer, and which is more you've put him in a position he has never batted.

Ridiculous post.
 
If we're doing this here's my ideal England team of the moment:

Cook
Lyth
Ballance
Hales
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Rashid
Broad
Wood
Anderson
 
If we're doing this here's my ideal England team of the moment:

Cook
Lyth
Ballance
Hales
Root
Buttler
Stokes
Rashid
Broad
Wood
Anderson

Decent side... I'd probably want Jordan in there because I think the batting is light, and we're really missing a reliable slip, especially to spinners. Broad or Wood to miss out.
 
Slight topic change away from the upcoming New Zealand series, but what would people be looking for as a T20 XI? Given that the WT20 is coming up in the winter, it would pay to look at building some sort of a side. If I was coach/manager/selector/skipper/Strauss I'd be looking at something like the following side:

ALEX HALES
:bat: 1062 runs at 37.92, SR 138.5, in 33 matches
The first name on the team sheet for this format - an average of 38 and strike rate of 140 suggest that he's the only batsman we have who stacks up with the best in the world.

MICHAEL LUMB
:bat: 552 runs at 21.23, SR 133.7, in 27 matches
It's tricky trying to pick a partner for Hales; Michael Carberry is another option, but my pick would be Michael Lumb owing to his experience of having won the World T20 before.

JOS BUTTLER :wk:
:bat: 516 runs at 21.50, SR 132.0, in 37 matches
If Buttler is as destructive as everyone keeps saying he is, then he's wasted at number six or seven. Far better that he's given as many balls as possible to attack.

JOE ROOT
:bat: 183 runs at 36.60, SR 126.20, in 9 matches
:bwl: 4 wickets at 24.00, 10.66 RPO, in 9 matches

Not the archetypal T20 player, but there's a place for him. He's good enough to work the gaps and score as quickly as the biffers and bashers. Could bowl an over or two.

EOIN MORGAN :c:
:bat: 1147 runs at 29.41, SR 132.0, in 50 matches
As skipper, he's basically guaranteed a place in the side. He too has the experience of winning a world title, but has been woefully out of form for a while.

JASON ROY
:bat: 8 runs at 8.00, SR 80.0, in 1 match
In place of Moeen Ali, whose T20 record is woeful, Jason Roy comes in at six to give it a biff in the closing overs. Alternatively, Bopara, Wessels or Wright could take up this spot.

CHRIS WOAKES
:bat: 39 runs at 19.50, SR 121.9, in 6 matches
:bwl: 4 wickets at 46.75, 9.84 RPO, in 6 matches

In Twenty20, you need five proper bowlers, at least one of whom can bowl good yorkers. The bonus of his positive batting shouldn't be needed but could be useful.

CHRIS JORDAN
:bat: 80 runs at 20.00, SR 135.6, in 7 matches
:bwl: 9 wickets at 21.11, 8.10 RPO, in 7 matches

Not ideal, but another who has shown glimpses of being able to bowl at the death. Hopefully, he'll be able to think clearly with ball in hand.

JAMES TREDWELL
:bwl: 7 wickets at 59.42, 7.87 RPO, in 17 matches
A canny and reliable operator whose control of flight and length could be very valuable on Indian pitches, where you needn't rip it to be successful.

HARRY GURNEY
:bwl: 3 wickets at 18.33, 6.87 RPO, in 2 matches
If the selectors think he's the best left-armer we've got, then he plays. The variation offered by the different angle is invaluable in this format.

MATTHEW FISHER
:bwl: Yet to make T20I debut
He's still young, and only played his first T20 match a couple of days ago, but Fisher is young and promising, and international exposure should do him some good.

* * *

Of course, that side has problems too: the bowling records of Woakes and Tredwell hardly inspire confidence, Roy and Fisher are unproven, and Buttler would be batting in a new position, and Morgan's form remains doubtful. Still, this is what I'd pick when England finally plays the format at Old Trafford in a month's time.
 
In what way is that either possible or even desirable?

You've got an opener England barely trust in ODI let alone tests (Hales) and another who averages under 30 batting at 6 (Ali).

You've dropped a captain England build everything around not only as captain but from the whole squad.

You've kept Bell (avg 32.96 over 18 months) and dropped Ballance (avg 68).

You've put in Pietersen who has just been told he won't be picked this summer, and which is more you've put him in a position he has never batted.

Ridiculous post.
That is exactly the problem and the English way of thinking. Batsman have to be held in a certain batting position there is no adapting. Ballance isn’t out of the team squad rotation. There is no way I would have Lyth open a new ball in international standards have him at five or six and move him up in stages.
Hales and Ali need time but it’s not ODI it would be test conditions. I bet you would stick with Cook as captain and opener?
 
That is exactly the problem and the English way of thinking. Batsman have to be held in a certain batting position there is no adapting. Ballance isn’t out of the team squad rotation. There is no way I would have Lyth open a new ball in international standards have him at five or six and move him up in stages.
Hales and Ali need time but it’s not ODI it would be test conditions. I bet you would stick with Cook as captain and opener?

If it's your opinion say "my team", not "possible".

There are many instances of players opening in debut especially if they are openers, yet you'd not put Lyth in to open but would put in Ali who is not a test class batsman let alone an opener?

KP has played almost 10 years international cricket, never at 3 yet you'd play him there now even though Ballance doesn't make your team despite averaging 68 at 3?

You'd keep Bell, avg 32.96 over 18 months, and avg 31 in the last series?

And you think me pointing out the rudiculousness of those assertions is an English problem?

Good grief.
 
Possible Test England team for summer 2015 -

Hales
Ali
KP
Root ©
Bell
Taylor
Buttler (wk)
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
Plunkett

Rotation and reserves

Lyth (Wouldn’t Play him in top 3 would place him about 5 or 6. Think you have to ease an uncapped player into international cricket)
Balance
Vince
Bopara (Has matured and played some sensible innings in ODI (batting order 5-7) + medium bowling option for recent dead English pitches)
Rashid (ideal second spinner to partner Ali)
Stokes

This is a bizarre post. Doesn't really make sense in any way.
 
@The Author I think Lumb will be considered past it now by England and they'll be looking young. Ali will probably get a shot at it to be fair and Stokes for Fisher so those 2 form the 5th bowling option together I'd expect. Mark Wood may also be thrust in somewhere for the experience perhaps even if his T20 performances so far haven't been great.
 
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Slight topic change away from the upcoming New Zealand series, but what would people be looking for as a T20 XI? Given that the WT20 is coming up in the winter, it would pay to look at building some sort of a side. If I was coach/manager/selector/skipper/Strauss I'd be looking at something like the following side:

ALEX HALES
:bat: 1062 runs at 37.92, SR 138.5, in 33 matches
The first name on the team sheet for this format - an average of 38 and strike rate of 140 suggest that he's the only batsman we have who stacks up with the best in the world.

MICHAEL LUMB
:bat: 552 runs at 21.23, SR 133.7, in 27 matches
It's tricky trying to pick a partner for Hales; Michael Carberry is another option, but my pick would be Michael Lumb owing to his experience of having won the World T20 before.

JOS BUTTLER :wk:
:bat: 516 runs at 21.50, SR 132.0, in 37 matches
If Buttler is as destructive as everyone keeps saying he is, then he's wasted at number six or seven. Far better that he's given as many balls as possible to attack.

JOE ROOT
:bat: 183 runs at 36.60, SR 126.20, in 9 matches
:bwl: 4 wickets at 24.00, 10.66 RPO, in 9 matches

Not the archetypal T20 player, but there's a place for him. He's good enough to work the gaps and score as quickly as the biffers and bashers. Could bowl an over or two.

EOIN MORGAN :c:
:bat: 1147 runs at 29.41, SR 132.0, in 50 matches
As skipper, he's basically guaranteed a place in the side. He too has the experience of winning a world title, but has been woefully out of form for a while.

JASON ROY
:bat: 8 runs at 8.00, SR 80.0, in 1 match
In place of Moeen Ali, whose T20 record is woeful, Jason Roy comes in at six to give it a biff in the closing overs. Alternatively, Bopara, Wessels or Wright could take up this spot.

CHRIS WOAKES
:bat: 39 runs at 19.50, SR 121.9, in 6 matches
:bwl: 4 wickets at 46.75, 9.84 RPO, in 6 matches

In Twenty20, you need five proper bowlers, at least one of whom can bowl good yorkers. The bonus of his positive batting shouldn't be needed but could be useful.

CHRIS JORDAN
:bat: 80 runs at 20.00, SR 135.6, in 7 matches
:bwl: 9 wickets at 21.11, 8.10 RPO, in 7 matches

Not ideal, but another who has shown glimpses of being able to bowl at the death. Hopefully, he'll be able to think clearly with ball in hand.

JAMES TREDWELL
:bwl: 7 wickets at 59.42, 7.87 RPO, in 17 matches
A canny and reliable operator whose control of flight and length could be very valuable on Indian pitches, where you needn't rip it to be successful.

HARRY GURNEY
:bwl: 3 wickets at 18.33, 6.87 RPO, in 2 matches
If the selectors think he's the best left-armer we've got, then he plays. The variation offered by the different angle is invaluable in this format.

MATTHEW FISHER
:bwl: Yet to make T20I debut
He's still young, and only played his first T20 match a couple of days ago, but Fisher is young and promising, and international exposure should do him some good.

* * *

Of course, that side has problems too: the bowling records of Woakes and Tredwell hardly inspire confidence, Roy and Fisher are unproven, and Buttler would be batting in a new position, and Morgan's form remains doubtful. Still, this is what I'd pick when England finally plays the format at Old Trafford in a month's time.

Assuming KP is never going to play for us again, I'd go for

1. Hales
2. Ali
3. Vince
4. Root
5. Stokes
6. Morgan
7. Buttler
8. Woakes
9. Jordan
10. Willey
11. Briggs

12. Roy
13. Beer
14. Bresnan
15. Rankin
 
Neither Roy (Bar his quick fire 60 odd the other day) nor Vince have looked in great touch to start the season so far unfortunately.
 
@The Author I think Lumb will be considered past it now by England and they'll be looking young. Ali will probably get a shot at it to be fair and Stokes for Fisher so those 2 form the 5th bowling option together I'd expect. Mark Wood may also be thrust in somewhere for experience perhaps even if his T20 performances so far haven't been great.

Unfortunately you're probably right but I don't see why it should be so... Sri Lanka obviously kept Sangakarra & Jayawardene in their ODI side and I think we shouldn't be too quick to discard useful experience.[DOUBLEPOST=1431981834][/DOUBLEPOST]
This is a bizarre post. Doesn't really make sense in any way.

We've often disagreed with each other just recently about some if the Eng team issues, but we're in 100% agreement here :)
 
1. Hales
2. Ali
3. Vince
4. Root
5. Stokes
6. Morgan
7. Buttler
8. Woakes
9. Jordan
10. Willey
11. Briggs

12. Roy
13. Beer
14. Bresnan
15. Rankin
There's some here I agree with, some I disagree with; Willey is an interesting selection, although he's got to be in as more of a batting all-rounder because he's not got his zip back since he picked up a stress fracture. Will Beer is also an interesting call - he's got good T20 stats and bowls darts; he could be just the T20 spinner England are looking for. I never want to see Bresnan play T20s again, though.
 
There's some here I agree with, some I disagree with; Willey is an interesting selection, although he's got to be in as more of a batting all-rounder because he's not got his zip back since he picked up a stress fracture. Will Beer is also an interesting call - he's got good T20 stats and bowls darts; he could be just the T20 spinner England are looking for. I never want to see Bresnan play T20s again, though.

Bresnan bowled well in the Big Bash. I think you need one experienced bowler in the squad. Anderson and Broad should be kept well away from limited overs cricket from now on, for their own protection.

Willey would actually probably bat at 8 above Woakes and Jordan in my side. I've gone for batting depth as there's not the bowling quality to mean will be chasing low to medium sized targets.
 
I see the logic, but below six or seven there's just no point in genuine batting depth in T20s. If it gets that far down the order, you've already lost - better to pick your best five bowlers (whomever they may be) than to pick bowlers who can bat. Trouble with England is that they have loads of the latter, but very very few of the former.
 
If it's your opinion say "my team", not "possible".

There are many instances of players opening in debut especially if they are openers, yet you'd not put Lyth in to open but would put in Ali who is not a test class batsman let alone an opener?

KP has played almost 10 years international cricket, never at 3 yet you'd play him there now even though Ballance doesn't make your team despite averaging 68 at 3?

You'd keep Bell, avg 32.96 over 18 months, and avg 31 in the last series?

And you think me pointing out the rudiculousness of those assertions is an English problem?

Good grief.
That is my current way of thinking and the team I would have sorry its not upto your standards or seen as bizarre but we can't all be experts I didn't know that I had to look at the history books before picking a team.
 

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