England Team Discussion

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Let's be honest, he is NOT eligibl, which is quite sad.

What had saddened me even more is that England, namely Strauss, after all this talk of valuing ODI cricket the same as tests and trying to make England a power in both fields, has failed, blowing nothing but hot air. The exclusion of Broad is a big big sign that England don't truly feel that way, teh same goes for no Jimmy in the recent past.

As I always say, in 99% of cases, your best players are your best players.

Not sure you can blame Strauss for all of that. England have really improved at one day cricket. Largely thanks to employing a one day specialist coach and also dripping some of the test players that weren't pulling their weight.

Pietersen is still a good t20 player, but you'd realistically have to drop either Root or Stokes for him. England aren't going to do that. Broad has effectively been dropped. He wants to play one day cricket but Bayliss has said that others have done well and don't deserve to be dropped for him.[DOUBLEPOST=1453406740][/DOUBLEPOST]

Exactly, Vince, Ballance, Hildreth id say are above him[DOUBLEPOST=1453406473][/DOUBLEPOST]when does sam hain become eligible he is a quality young batsman

Can't ever see James Hildreth playing a test now.

Haven't seen much of Sam Hain to be honest, but I only ever hear good things. Do you not think that Jack Leaning is above him in the pecking order though? Those two, along with Joe Clarke, seem to be the new generation of batsman coming through.

 

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Not sure you can blame Strauss for all of that. England have really improved at one day cricket. Largely thanks to employing a one day specialist coach and also dripping some of the test players that weren't pulling their weight.

Pietersen is still a good t20 player, but you'd realistically have to drop either Root or Stokes for him. England aren't going to do that. Broad has effectively been dropped. He wants to play one day cricket but Bayliss has said that others have done well and don't deserve to be dropped for him.[DOUBLEPOST=1453406740][/DOUBLEPOST]

Can't ever see James Hildreth playing a test now.

Haven't seen much of Sam Hain to be honest, but I only ever hear good things. Do you not think that Jack Leaning is above him in the pecking order though? Those two, along with Joe Clarke, seem to be the new generation of batsman coming through.

Hildreth is still a good player, most runs in div 1 last year, and i could see him being the Trott type selection mid series and not wanting to chuck a younster in
Hain is a great prospect, personally he needs a big 2 years with the bears which i wont be complaining about to really force his way up
Clarke looks like he could be good, potentially more of a one day batsman initially
Vince im not fully convinved about in long form cricket
I dont think leaning is above Hain at all really, compare the records, Hain has had to do it in a bears team shorn of bell and trott for the most part, and has been kept away from one day cricket totally which is in his best interests
Lees might be a young option to Open, but if HAles fails, they will almost certainly go back to Compton, whom they should have never really dropped

Dawid Malan and Scott Borthwick are options, i think Borthwick will go to India or Bangladesh where his little bit of spin might be handy

 

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Absolutely brilliant stuff again from Dawid Malan and Liam Dawson today. Dawid Malan for the test team.

 

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Not sure you can blame Strauss for all of that. England have really improved at one day cricket. Largely thanks to employing a one day specialist coach and also dripping some of the test players that weren't pulling their weight.

Pietersen is still a good t20 player, but you'd realistically have to drop either Root or Stokes for him. England aren't going to do that. Broad has effectively been dropped. He wants to play one day cricket but Bayliss has said that others have done well and don't deserve to be dropped for him.[DOUBLEPOST=1453406740][/DOUBLEPOST]

Can't ever see James Hildreth playing a test now.

Haven't seen much of Sam Hain to be honest, but I only ever hear good things. Do you not think that Jack Leaning is above him in the pecking order though? Those two, along with Joe Clarke, seem to be the new generation of batsman coming through.

KP isn't going to be picked because the ECB don't want to. Otherwise, he walks into England easy.

Yeah, I guess England have kept most of their players except Broad and Jimmy but I always get cross when they refuse to play their best and claim ODI cricket is important to them too.

 

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I don't get the KP point. Okay he rubbed Flower the wrong way, but Flower is done. One could argue that Cook was not too keen on KP return, but Cook doesn't play limited overs anymore, so that no longer an issue. So why is KP not part of the limited overs, atleast T20 side. If eventually this comes down to personal feelings over performance and form, then its just nonsense.

KP has the runs, the ability, but its only personal bias against him that is keeping him from playing for England, and frankly its just apalling to watch.

 

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I don't get the KP point. Okay he rubbed Flower the wrong way, but Flower is done. One could argue that Cook was not too keen on KP return, but Cook doesn't play limited overs anymore, so that no longer an issue. So why is KP not part of the limited overs, atleast T20 side. If eventually this comes down to personal feelings over performance and form, then its just nonsense.

KP has the runs, the ability, but its only personal bias against him that is keeping him from playing for England, and frankly its just apalling to watch.

I wouldn't be against him playing t20s for England. He should be nowhere near the ODI or test side though, as he doesn't play those formats anymore.

The problem he's got, is that Bayliss has started to build a very good t20 squad. He's even got rid of Broad. I think he wants to move forward with this new group of players.

Luke Wright is young enough to come back into contention, but he's competing with people like Roy, Hales and Vince, who have all performed under Bayliss.

I would imagine that KPs only hope of making the WC is if Jason Roy has a terrible series against SA. He's probably the only vulnerable player in the side, and that's not because he's done badly; its because he's new.

 

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I don't get the KP point. Okay he rubbed Flower the wrong way, but Flower is done. One could argue that Cook was not too keen on KP return, but Cook doesn't play limited overs anymore, so that no longer an issue. So why is KP not part of the limited overs, atleast T20 side. If eventually this comes down to personal feelings over performance and form, then its just nonsense.

KP has the runs, the ability, but its only personal bias against him that is keeping him from playing for England, and frankly its just apalling to watch.

I don't know if you think I'm the one keeping KP outta the team or what, you seem confused lol

Anyway, I like KP and think he should be playing all formats for England and it's a disgrace that he isn't.

The reason he isn't is because the ECB do not want him to and they have said as much. Surely you must have read the news like 18 months ago? It was a pretty big deal.

 

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So Stuart Broad gets into the ODI squad in the end. Replacement for the replacement.

Plunkett is now going to stay in the UAE for treatment and then fly to SA for the t20 series. Broad is only part of the one day squad. Can't quite understand that. Chances are, he may not be playing white ball cricket in 3 years time when the next World Cup arrives. However he is playing now and there's a world t20 around the corner. Think they'd be mad not to take him. Particularly as my opinion of Woakes is becoming lower by the day. To be fair to Woakes, he's done okay in his last handful of limited overs matches.

Probable ODI team

1. Roy
2. Hales
3. Root
4. Morgan
5. Stokes
6. Buttler
7. Ali
8. Woakes
9. Willey
10. Broad
11. Topley

Probable t20 team

1. Roy
2. Hales
3. Root
4. Morgan
5. Buttler
6. Stokes
7. Ali
8. Willey
9. Plunkett/Woakes
10. Jordan
11. Topley

 

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Ok I give in. KP must play.

 

[PokerAce]

I don't know if you think I'm the one keeping KP outta the team or what, you seem confused lol

Anyway, I like KP and think he should be playing all formats for England and it's a disgrace that he isn't.

The reason he isn't is because the ECB do not want him to and they have said as much. Surely you must have read the news like 18 months ago? It was a pretty big deal.

What?!!

 

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So Stuart Broad gets into the ODI squad in the end. Replacement for the replacement.

Plunkett is now going to stay in the UAE for treatment and then fly to SA for the t20 series. Broad is only part of the one day squad. Can't quite understand that. Chances are, he may not be playing white ball cricket in 3 years time when the next World Cup arrives. However he is playing now and there's a world t20 around the corner. Think they'd be mad not to take him. Particularly as my opinion of Woakes is becoming lower by the day. To be fair to Woakes, he's done okay in his last handful of limited overs matches.

Probable ODI team

1. Roy
2. Hales
3. Root
4. Morgan
5. Stokes
6. Buttler
7. Ali
8. Woakes
9. Willey
10. Broad
11. Topley

Probable t20 team

1. Roy
2. Hales
3. Root
4. Morgan
5. Buttler
6. Stokes
7. Ali
8. Willey
9. Plunkett/Woakes
10. Jordan
11. Topley

Bit harsh to drop Taylor from the ODI team given he currently averages 42?

 

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Bit harsh to drop Taylor from the ODI team given he currently averages 42?

Who are you leaving out for him then?

 

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See, the Taylor thing is entirely why I'm OK with KP not playing. We've got plenty of players vying for places, especially in that top 5 in both formats, that I don't see the need to bring back someone like KP, no matter how many medium pace dobblers he knocks scores against around the world.

 

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See, the Taylor thing is entirely why I'm OK with KP not playing. We've got plenty of players vying for places, especially in that top 5 in both formats, that I don't see the need to bring back someone like KP, no matter how many medium pace dobblers he knocks scores against around the world.

Taylor doesn't play t20s for England. He's not in the squad. He's never played a t20 international. To be honest, I'd be surprised if his name is even mentioned by the selectors for the world t20.

 

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Taylor doesn't play t20s for England. He's not in the squad. He's never played a t20 international. To be honest, I'd be surprised if his name is even mentioned by the selectors for the world t20.

By Taylor thing, I meant the issue with trying to fit guys in, not just him especially. That's why the next sentence mentions plenty of players. In T20s, we have Roy, Hales, Root, Morgan, Buttler, Stokes, Ali all more than capable of playing in the top 5. That's without mentioning guys doing well domestically like Malan and Vince. You could even add in the likes of Lumb and Luke Wright. We don't need to worry about bringing KP back in, that's my point.