JD10
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I thought we were a bowler short, CLEARLY NOT:laugh:laugh
England tour of South Africa 09/10
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just one more wicket to get now, and i think that SA need a load more runs to make us bat again.
just a note on the boucher dismissal, if it was so clear cut that he was out according to TMS, then why didn't the umpire dismiss him straight away, i've not seen it so i don't know. and if that is the case, why didn't Boucher walk
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it's all over
eng win by 98 runs
just a note on the boucher dismissal, if it was so clear cut that he was out according to TMS, then why didn't the umpire dismiss him straight away, i've not seen it so i don't know. and if that is the case, why didn't Boucher walk
harrisb added 0 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...
it's all over
eng win by 98 runs
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Dutch
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Lol! Isn't just joy to see an England team utterly crush really good opposition!? Sweet while it lasts! Very sweet!
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Exactly, and it's game over. Swanny is a legend :hpraise
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Dutch
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Crushed 'em, utterly crushed 'em! 
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Swanny is turning into something pretty special me thinks!
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That was comprehensive, well done to all the lads, everyone contributed
Boucher never walks. Also an innings and 98 not 98.
Robelinda
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Good to see Eng HAMMER SA. Aus beat SA good and proper in SA now SA losing at home again to a much lower ranked Eng team. SA are not strong at home, already 3 home series lost this decade, could be a 4th!
stefan
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Well done to england , totally outplayed us. Lots of hard work and tough decisions to make if we want to get back into the series.
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The signs have been there all the time. They lost the first test of the series to both India and Pakistan in 2007/07 and then went on to lose the first test of the series at home again to the Windies in the next season. Then the defeat to Australia and now this. SA have been losing far too many test matches at home for their liking.
I might be wrong but I think the SA side might have lost more tests at home than any other top side in the past 3-4 years.
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TumTum
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It is quite obvious, SA cannot perform under expectations.
Explains why the choke so much on tournaments and lose at home.
Explains why the choke so much on tournaments and lose at home.
I was intrigued by this stat so had a further look see.
05/06 vs India : Collingwood scored 134 1st innings, Cook made 104no 2nd innings. In fairness England only had a 70 run 1st innings lead so calling it "icing on the cake" is harsh
2006 vs Pakistan : Cook scored 105 batting at three, Collingwood and Bell scored hundreds in the same innings, but surely Cook got to his first?
2006 vs Pakistan : Cook scored 127 batting at three, Bell ended 106no batting at six so scored his first. It helped England capitalise on a low Pakistan total batting first
06/07 vs Australia : Cook's only hundred against the aussies, England were only 29 behind on 1st innings but the aussies declared on 527/5 and Cook made England's only hundred of the match with supporting fifties from three batsmen as England lost.
2007 vs West Indies : Cook scored 105 opening before Collingwood, Bell and Prior piled on hundreds of their own in 553/5d
2007 vs West Indies : Cook scored 106, the only hundred prior to the West Indies batting last. England did have a decent 1st innings lead thanks to Bell's 97 1st innings.
07/08 vs Sri Lanka : England had collapsed to 81 all out 1st innings, over 400 behind. Cook helped stave off defeat with 118, England's only hundred of the match.
08/09 vs West Indies : Strauss and Teeny Bopper scored hundreds in our 1st innings of 600/6d, Cook made 139no when the West Indies had made the game a draw by scoring 749/9d.
2009 vs West Indies : Cook made 160, Teeny Bopper 108, as England declared 569/6 and won by an innings.
09/10 vs South Africa : Cook scored his hundred before Bell, built the foundations for a match winning total, although the saffers should have batted a lot better 2nd innings.
Not sure if that stat is wholly accurate that you quoted. As he bats at two or three it is likely if he makes a hundred with England batting first that it would be the first. I believe he's not made a hundred in the same innings as Strauss or it would be evident in my above summaries. Four hundreds out of 10 against West Indies and two against a weak Pakistan says a lot.
I recall someone either on here, or more likely BBC 606, claiming Cook would go on to be the highest run scorer in Tests! I worked out he'd have to bat something like 180-200 Tests as I recall, don't most of the top runscorers have triple hundreds or at least doubles to their name................?
As for this match, I stand by my claim England should have declared at or before lunch. South Africa's collapse was dire, poor batting from the lot and gifting England too many easy wickets. Maybe the extra hundred runs added made a difference, maybe they didn't. But like when England were bowled out for 81, 51 and 102, you get days like those. The aussies have had them, all out for 160 against us in the Ashes this year is one. What sides need to do is show enough resolve not to give wickets away, something the aussies have often been near flawless at. If you give wickets away you can just compound a bad situation as the saffers have just demonstrated.
Changes for the next Test? England will want to stick with the same XI, but it may depend on Collingwood's finger. I wouldn't want Wright in the side even if we had sewn up the series, send for a replacement batsman now as we surely should have (had) one in the squad. As for the saffers, I think Ntini will be dropped and maybe a Test (or two) too late. Should they drop a batsman? I think it would have to be if someone was underperforming rather than on the last batting display, so possibly Duminy and Prince - or drop Prince down the order and bring in an opener for Duminy
South Africa batting averages (vs ENG 09/10)
60.00 Boucher (180 runs)
50.50 Kallis (202 runs)
37.00 De Villiers (148 runs)
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31.75 Amla (127 runs)
27.75 Smith (109 runs)
25.00 Steyn (50 runs) & 2 wkts @ 47.00
24.33 Morkel (73 runs) & 6 wkts @ 30.67
21.75 Harris (87 runs) & 8 wkts @ 40.00
20.00 De Wet (20 runs) & 5 wkts @ 25.40
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17.75 Duminy (71 runs) & 4 wkts @ 28.25
15.75 Prince (63 runs)
n/a Ntini (6 runs, not dismissed yet) & 2 wkts @ 117.00
For a team that came sooooooo close to winning the 1st Test, only three batsmen have good averages and another three with ok to ordinary ones. I am gobsmacked at how the selectors can claim Ntini is in on merit and leave out De Wet who is averaging ok with bat and the top average for South Africa with the ball. (assuming he isn't injured) Duminy's wickets might be all he has to cling to for his reprieve, have to feel for Prince being asked to open as 63 of his 81 innings have been batting at five (2373 runs @ 44.77) He did score 150 opening, his only hundreds not batting at five or six, that against the aussies when the aussies capitulated for 209 before South Africa scored 651 and just wrapped up a win by an innings and 20 runs
stefan
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Prince doesn't really want to open and that's an issue. You can't have someone opening who doesn't want to do it. They need to bring in elgar or rudolph(here he is available for selection again) and then decide between jp and prince for the number 6 slot. Ntini being dropped and de wet playing should be a given, no wickets in two test innings for a so called strike bowler is pathetic.
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