England's tour of India - 2021

I would say Dhawan and Rohit nearly lost us the match. There were no demons in the pitch at all. Our approach just seemed way too outdated.
 
NilayShah60 said:
I would say Dhawan and Rohit nearly lost us the match. There were no demons in the pitch at all. Our approach just seemed way too outdated.
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It's a tough when mirrored against Roy and Bairstow who are so devastating when they get going. Fastest scoring, highest averaging opening pair.

 
CerealKiller said:
It's not the approach, it's the execution. Roy and Bairstow's success shows just that.
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True. I would expect England to win, after a start like that, almost every time.

I did look at India's score after 10 overs and think - if Roy and Bairstow get through the power play they have 20 more runs. Turns out they were 30 runs ahead at that stage.

SKY comms were pointing out that the Indian openers were quite wasteful in their approach in the T20s (Dhawan, Rohit and Rahul in particular). Felt that way today.
 
wasteyouryouth said:
True. I would expect England to win, after a start like that, almost every time.

I did look at India's score after 10 overs and think - if Roy and Bairstow get through the power play they have 20 more runs. Turns out they were 30 runs ahead at that stage.

SKY comms were pointing out that the Indian openers were quite wasteful in their approach in the T20s (Dhawan, Rohit and Rahul in particular). Felt that way today.
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I don't agree with that with the situation that was at hand today. The ball was doing quite a bit in those first ten overs and Dhawan and Rohit played very well to see out that phase. I think England need to bin the idea of using Wood at the death. I think he's an exceptional new ball bowler and very handy in the middle overs.

There is a room for criticism about the way Indian openers go about their business in the general scheme of things in any format, but the way the wicket was playing today actually suited their template.
 
LiveLoveABD said:
I don't agree with that with the situation that was at hand today. The ball was doing quite a bit in those first ten overs and Dhawan and Rohit played very well to see out that phase. I think England need to bin the idea of using Wood at the death. I think he's an exceptional new ball bowler and very handy in the middle overs.

There is a room for criticism about the way Indian openers go about their business in the general scheme of things in any format, but the way the wicket was playing today actually suited their template.
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The ball was doing plenty in the second innings. Bhuvi was making Roy look very uncomfortable. But, Roy and Bairstow just attacked the weak/new bowlers and, as usual, accelerated when they get their eye in midway through the powerplay. Like I said, it's nothing to be ashamed of when comparing yourself to one of the best opening pairs. England were 10 overs ahead of the game and the middle order squandered the start.
 
@LiveLoveABD Bairstow does function best as the opener in a T20 but he wouldn't look out of place in at number three or four. His key strength is that he is very good versus wrist spin and every T20 side is inevitably going to opt for at least one such bowler in the middle overs. Bairstow also does not hesitate to go after bowlers in any phase of the game irrespective of whether he has got his eye in or not.

Also agree on Malan facing potential issues with that line you mentioned like every classic left-handed batsman but I don't think he'll be ineffective completely. I think there is a very good player in him and somehow in England's setup in his particular role, that player gets elevated to world class levels. Absence does make the heart grow fonder in the case of someone like Root who you know is a world class batsman on his day but his playing style increasingly did not suit the current T20 standards. Malan may have been substandard in the MSL and BBL but Root was equally abysmal in his BBL stint and since 2017 has struck above 130 only in two innings out of eleven T20I games. There is also the argument of "do you really want to risk overloading your best test batsman plus skipper and most vital ODI batsman with more games in these unnatural times" when you've got his handy replacement casually breaking records in the T20I format and ranking.

@NilayShah60 Unfortunate that he did get out today. :p The only other alternative would be to play Livingstone there which would mean dropping Billings after his purple patch. Still think that Stokes could do an adequate job at three and the fact that Morgan did play him there shows that his game plan seems to be similar.
 
Murtaza96 said:
Im talking about his performance these days
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I remember Morgan boldly claiming that he would drop himself from the World Cup playing XI before a series versus Sri Lanka if there were other batsmen in better form than he was. The way he spoke did not mention a personal slump either, it was pretty much 'if there is someone better equipped to play here, I'll drop myself". And true to his word, he had dropped himself previously and has done so subsequently too.

But those words were famous because he had started that year very poorly and it took him plenty of time to get back into the groove. He also 'dropped' himself for the final game versus Sri Lanka and since those words were fresh in everyone's mind, people were reminded of how important he was to the side irrespective of his personal form when they were soundly thrashed by the Lankan side. It remains their biggest defeat in the last five years of ODI cricket.

Morgan could honestly be England's very own Mortaza and still get into the side as long as his leadership is exemplary and I doubt he would allow England or himself to come to that stage without getting back into form or ensuring that the team is in good hands. The mark of a true leader.
 
Bevab said:
@NilayShah60 Unfortunate that he did get out today. :p The only other alternative would be to play Livingstone there which would mean dropping Billings after his purple patch. Still think that Stokes could do an adequate job at three and the fact that Morgan did play him there shows that his game plan seems to be similar.
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It's a low reward strategy with Stokes at 3. England at full strength Stokes is 5 or 6.
Bevab said:
I remember Morgan boldly claiming that he would drop himself from the World Cup playing XI before a series versus Sri Lanka if there were other batsmen in better form than he was. The way he spoke did not mention a personal slump either, it was pretty much 'if there is someone better equipped to play here, I'll drop myself". And true to his word, he had dropped himself previously and has done so subsequently too.

But those words were famous because he had started that year very poorly and it took him plenty of time to get back into the groove. He also 'dropped' himself for the final game versus Sri Lanka and since those words were fresh in everyone's mind, people were reminded of how important he was to the side irrespective of his personal form when they were soundly thrashed by the Lankan side. It remains their biggest defeat in the last five years of ODI cricket.

Morgan could honestly be England's very own Mortaza and still get into the side as long as his leadership is exemplary and I doubt he would allow England or himself to come to that stage without getting back into form or ensuring that the team is in good hands. The mark of a true leader.
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Morgan is averaging 42 at 99 since last summer. He's fine.
 
wasteyouryouth said:
It's a low reward strategy with Stokes at 3. England at full strength Stokes is 5 or 6.

Morgan is averaging 42 at 99 since last summer. He's fine.
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In terms of playing style with a batsman rotating strike and scoring the odd boundary in the middle overs starting steadily, Stokes is the best man in this squad to do that job. I see him as the future number four reducing the number of overs he bowls with Morgan transitioning more and more into a pure hitter. If he's not the man for the job, England will have to take the harsh call and drop Billings or Morgan himself to make way for Livingstone.
 
Parth D said:
That brainless cricket was the reason England was in the game till the first wicket fell.

That brainless cricket has won you guys a worldcup.
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We didn't win the World Cup because only the openers scored. Today showed we massively missed Root in the middle order accumulating.
 
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