English Football Thread 2012/2013

Who will win the 2012/13 Premier League?

  • Manchester City

    Votes: 9 25.0%
  • Manchester Utd

    Votes: 19 52.8%
  • Arsenal

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Spurs

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Newcastle

    Votes: 1 2.8%
  • Chelsea

    Votes: 6 16.7%
  • Everton

    Votes: 1 2.8%

  • Total voters
    36
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Fullbacks still a worry with Jose Enrique out. Both Johnson and Wisdom playing out of position regularly getting into very good positions upfront, but terribly lacking an end product delivery. This really can't continue next weekend at the Emirates (really want Johnson back at RB, with Robinson or Agger replacing him at LB). Barring that, was a phenomenal outing from Liverpool - still makes me wonder how Allen started over Henderson last weekend at Old Trafford.

From a English perspective 6 english blokes starting for pool was nice. Sturridge looking good & i must say of late Henderson hasn't looked too bad. The dumb british transfer market overpriced him, but i never rated him - however i''m starting to view him a different light.

If for once the sneijder rumours of the last couple years are true for liverpool's case & he does go the anfield, pool with be top 4ish again.
 
just saw benteke's goal, what in blue blazes are they putting in the water in belgium? in about 3-4 years they've gone from a fairly rubbish european football nation to one of the hotbeds of footballing talent.
 
From a English perspective 6 english blokes starting for pool was nice. Sturridge looking good & i must say of late Henderson hasn't looked too bad. The dumb british transfer market overpriced him, but i never rated him - however i''m starting to view him a different light.

If for once the sneijder rumours of the last couple years are true for liverpool's case & he does go the anfield, pool with be top 4ish again.

Henderson has been brilliant this season ('not too bad' sounds unfair on him imho lol).

On Sneijder, Rodgers had to say this post match when inquired whether he was interested in the player: "No comments."

Wonder what that ever means.
 
Midifeld trio and Suarez and Sturridge were absolutely brilliant today. Special mention for Henderson who has been terrific this season. Rodgers told him he could leave in the summer, but he said no and fought for his place. He's been in the starting line up quite a few times in the last 2 months so he has come a long way since the beginning of the season. If nothing else, I appreciate his hard work and dedication. However, beyond that, he has actually improved as a player. Picks better passes and executes them far more successfully than earlier, more positive, more confident.
 
just saw benteke's goal, what in blue blazes are they putting in the water in belgium? in about 3-4 years they've gone from a fairly rubbish european football nation to one of the hotbeds of footballing talent.

Ye man, i think Villa will do very well to keep benteke this transfer window when i think of what the full strenght belgium xi could be:

--------------------Curtois------------------------

Alderwield-----Kompany---Vermalen-----Vertongen

--------------Dembele-----Witsel------------------

Mirales-------------Fellani-------------Hazard------

------------------Lukaku/Benteke-------------------

Mingolet, Van Buyten, Defour, Mertens, De Bryne,


If Spain is the best team in europe of course, you got to say on paper at least they are not too far of even Germany & Italy as the next best in the continent.
 
Henderson has been brilliant this season ('not too bad' sounds unfair on him imho lol).

On Sneijder, Rodgers had to say this post match when inquired whether he was interested in the player: "No comments."

Wonder what that ever means.

Today was actually the first day i actually watched him closely while watching a pool game admittedly. Most of the time i tended to look @ shelvey since i just didn't rate henderson & i was sort of wondering why rogers was starting him so much.

And ha, if Sturridge was playing as well i probably was going to watch the city v fulham game instead. So yea Henderson performances was a pleasant & encouraging surprise.

On Sneijder i keep hearing about his pay-cut issues etc...but ha he is damn rich guy anyway. If i was him & i think around europe right now for a top/big name club in which he can walk into and almost immediately be the big man - i really can't see a better option than Liverpool for him.

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Well, since this has been opened up again, I have to say that my view hasn't changed: the difference between Chelsea/City and Man Utd is Utd weren't taken over by some foreign sugar daddy - their success was built up over many years of hard work and clever merchandising, allied to astute signings (Schmeichel, Cantona and Keane to name three) and investment in the youth academy which led to success on the pitch.

The difference is clear! Within a few years of being taken over, City had won the league - same for Chelsea. That wasn't the case with Utd. The bottom line is this: were it not for the foreign investment, City would be mid table mediocrity at best, and possibly a yo-yo club while Chelsea would probably still be predominantly a Cup team with a regular placing in the four or even three. I'm so sick and tired of people comparing Utd to Chelsea and City!

And before the inevitable 'you're biased' posts start, what about Arsenal? They weren't taken over by someone with more money than they know what to do with, were they? Yet they hit a very rich vein of success in the mid to late nineties. Blackburn - sure, they were heavily invested in but it was from a man who had Blackburn running through his blood. Are you trying to tell me that Sheik Whassisname or Roman had City and Chelsea respectively running through their blood?

These takeovers are bad for English football - sure, they provide more competition and that's great but these foreign owners are not looking at ten year plans are they? They're looking for instant success. So in come all the big foreign stars, they win the League, they win the Cup, they win this and that - meanwhile the pool of talent available to England dwindles further. At first, the signings were huge stars that our players could learn a lot from: Zola, Klinsmann, Bergkamp, Gullit, Overmars - the list goes on. Now? Clubs simply buy foreign players because they're cheaper, but not necessarily better, than English players.

As I said before, we need a cap on the number of foreigners on the pitch at any one time - not simply a cap on the foreigners in the squad. It stands to reason! Spain's league has something like 38% foreigners and they're winning everything in sight. England's league is the other way round and we're rapidly becoming a laughing stock in World football.

Make no mistake: just because we only lost against Italy on penalties, it doesn't mean we're anywhere near in their class let alone Spain's (who smacked Italy in the final remember?) Italy could and should've beaten England by many goals - the final score should've been something like 5-1 or 6-1. So that's two tournaments in a row where England were totally humiliated by the opponents who ended up defeating them. There was a time when England would come up against a Germany or Italy or Portugal and you'd not be wrong in saying that they were unlucky - that they matched and at times were better than the supposedly superior team. When was the last one? Germany 2006, when we eventually lost against Portugal on penalties, but during the game itself, they did not know what to do with Lennon and Hargreaves, while Ronaldo was where he always is whenever Cole's involved: in Ashley's back pocket.

People can say as much as they like that if the English youngsters are good enough, they'll get into the teams, but deep down we all know that a potential rough diamond doesn't stand a bloody chance against a mega star like Aguero or Silva. I'm sure no one here will believe me, but my primary concern isn't that City or Chelsea's money will topple Utd: we're still here, still fighting for titles and still signing big players. No, my main concern is the long term damage all this does to the English game - specifically at International level.

Agreed 100% especially on the effects it is having on the english game & young english players at clubs.

But just to be clear my friend i wasn't insinuating that they were similarities to how united back in the 90s won the league via record british spending at the time compared to chelsea & city in the 2000s.

I certainly do think that untied & arsenal did what you said & of course attracted good players due to their history and strong fanbase etc.

What Chelsea & City have done has set a dangerous precedent though i guess. Since its almost as if most clubs in england and europe operate with the thinking that the only way to topple the euro club powerhouses like united, liverpool, arsenal, madrid, barca, milan, bayern, inter, juventus is to get a sugar daddy investor.

Since lets be honest if lets say solid mid level euro teams like everton, valencia, porto, dortmund, ajax, roma, athletico madrid, napoli etc get a star player/build a decent team - those big clubs inevitably poach their big stars & they have to rebuild again in a continuous cycle.
 
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Henderson has been brilliant this season ('not too bad' sounds unfair on him imho lol).

On Sneijder, Rodgers had to say this post match when inquired whether he was interested in the player: "No comments."

Wonder what that ever means.

No comments would be a yes.
 
No comments would be a yes.

Thought that myself, but with our owners strictly following a 'youth-all' transfer policy, I still feel it'd need a miracle to sign him up.

On Sneijder i keep hearing about his pay-cut issues etc...but ha he is damn rich guy anyway. If i was him & i think around europe right now for a top/big name club in which he can walk into and almost immediately be the big man - i really can't see a better option than Liverpool for him.

Really hope that's exactly how he feels. He did say his waiting game was not an issue of money, so fingers crossed...
 
Pardew seems to be suffering from his second season syndrome. Newcastle United are so, so horrible to watch at times.
 
Pardew seems to be suffering from his second season syndrome. Newcastle United are so, so horrible to watch at times.

A little. But they didn't play well last season, really. They won a lot of games where they didn't play the best football. They'd be outplayed and take one of their few chances due to having an in form striker (be it Ba or Cisse) at any point in the season.

They've been a touch unlucky lately, but 5th was a hugely false positions, as it where they are now.
 
They've been unlucky with injuries, their flair player Ben Arfa has been gone for quite a while. Cabaye has been injured, Krul was out for a bit too. Tiote is at the AFCON. Ryan Taylor has been gone most of the season, Steven Taylor not much better. More as well. It's a bit of a mess really. These are important players as well, Tiote and Cabaye as individuals are vital to the team and without Ben Arfa no-one is there to trouble the full-backs much and no-one is there to make something out of nothing. Perhaps slight over-reliance on these players.

I agree though, they are a mid-table side capable of finishing closer to 8th or 9th on a consistent basis, which isn't that bad considering they were in the Championship not long ago. By the looks of it if Pardew is the one making the signings he has been doing a decent job overall, if he isn't he should fear for his job.
 
A little. But they didn't play well last season, really. They won a lot of games where they didn't play the best football. They'd be outplayed and take one of their few chances due to having an in form striker (be it Ba or Cisse) at any point in the season.

They've been a touch unlucky lately, but 5th was a hugely false positions, as it where they are now.

They've been unlucky with injuries, their flair player Ben Arfa has been gone for quite a while. Cabaye has been injured, Krul was out for a bit too. Tiote is at the AFCON. Ryan Taylor has been gone most of the season, Steven Taylor not much better. More as well. It's a bit of a mess really. These are important players as well, Tiote and Cabaye as individuals are vital to the team and without Ben Arfa no-one is there to trouble the full-backs much and no-one is there to make something out of nothing. Perhaps slight over-reliance on these players.

I agree though, they are a mid-table side capable of finishing closer to 8th or 9th on a consistent basis, which isn't that bad considering they were in the Championship not long ago. By the looks of it if Pardew is the one making the signings he has been doing a decent job overall, if he isn't he should fear for his job.



Both points are valid, but whether Pardew makes the signings or not, he should fear for his job. At the end of the day, you got to have a plan B, and Pardew didn't have one. Added to that their style of play this season has been horrible.


Still think they'll stay up in the Premier League. But there is the possibility of relegation, if Wigan do their usual escape, Reading do their comebacks, Lambert manages to get his team in shape and QPR get the form of a top 6 team. Still, that's too many if's for a possibility.:p
 
In all fairness to Pardew the core of his team has been decimated by injuries and they just don't have the squad to cope... Some might suggest the Europa League has been a step too far for them, and actually finishing where they did is costing them this year.
 
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