FOOTBALL Fifa 12 - console and PC!

More sales doesn't = better product.

More Toyota Corollas have been sold than Ferrari F430s, the Wii has massively outsold the 360 and PS3... I could go on.

Gaming PCs are the best machines for gaming in technical terms, there is no doubt about that - the only problem is money, having to keep upgrading to get the most out of it.
Even if you like the console controllers better... Guess what? You can plug the 360 one into the PC and use them in the exact same way!
The PS3 controller can also be used on PC - clicky.

Another problem with PC gaming is the lack/delay of certain titles, but I suspect that if you have enough money to throw at your PC, you have enough to be able to afford a console too anyway.

That's the thing - myself personally, I don't really throw that much money at upgrading my PC. This idea you have to make an upgrade every few months is nonsense - the last 'upgrade' I made to my PC was a larger HDD - more to do with storage than performance.

These days, even if you have to notch the details down a little, or even a lot - most PC games still look at least as good as the console version. That's what I do - if my machine begins to struggle, I just turn things down a bit starting with AA/AF (which aren't on the consoles in any case) - they're real FPS killers. And when I do buy a new GPU, it'll be at ?120 - ?150, not ?400+. It's my experience that there's never anything out there that needs that sort of power and by the time there is, the card would've come down by ?200 or even ?300 in some cases.

PC gaming doesn't have to be hugely expensive. On my system, which is midrange at best, I can run the current generation of games at high details without any problems. It might be time for a GPU upgrade for things like BF3, but once again, I'll find a nice midrange one for around ?130 and that'll be me set for another couple of years or more. Buying top range components is just a sign of having more money than sense in my opinion. ;)

I'm amazed that the Wii has outsold the two major consoles though. :eek:

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To be honest, who really gives a crap about graphics. I wouldn't mind having Battlefield 2 graphics on console Battlefield 3. The only guys that care about graphics are the casual players and the PC gamers, I've found other people care a whole lot more about the gameplay.

Therefore, PC isn't "the future". It's just far too expensive and too much of a hassle to keep upgrading it to keep up with the latest graphics, not to mention the shoddy controls and the ease with which you can pirate and hack.

PC is better for RPG and RTS, console is better for everything else. There's a reason why PC received the dumbed down FIFA for so long...

As I said before, this idea that you have to keep upgrading is a complete myth. As for Fifa, EA Sports are pretty much the only company doing this - everyone else gives the PC more or less the same game as the consoles.

Shoddy controls are also a myth. Even outside of the Xbox 360 pad, there are several PC only pads that can do a very good job.

The PC is also the best for FPS games - keyboard/mouse is simply more intuitive than a fiddly gamepad. Proof? The majority of times I've seen CoD competitions footage, they are playing the PC version - with a mouse and keyboard.

The PC is also the best for racers - how many decent wheels are available on the consoles? :p And then there are mods for racers (and all other games). It's far more than just having better graphics. Look at Oblivion - look how long its life has been on PC. Can you say it would've been that long lasting without mods and so on. Not a chance.

I have to say, gameplay is what games are about. As long as the graphics are semi-decent and realistic, if the gameplay is good, then I'll buy it provided I'm interested in it.

And AP, you won't sign Messi :p I've tried with Man Utd and no matter what you offer him, he declines :p

Gameplay, graphics, sound in that order. :)

The console version of all multiplatform FPS always outsells the PC version. That is proof enough that the console FPS controls are better. The controller is real nice for FPS.

Not compared to keyboard/mouse - as I said before, why do the professional FPS gamers play on PC?

Autoaim doesnt mean the console FPS are better. It takes all the fun away of aiming yourself. And you can never match keyboard mouse combo. Try taking 180 degree turn in a console FPS and then in a PC FPS, you'll know what i mean

Indeed.

Selling more is no indication that the console controller is better than keyboard and mouse. It's more a personal thing but saying that console controllers are better than keyboard and mouse because console versions of the game have sold more is a joke.

True. Even with games like GTA I've found the PC to be better. I hate using a gamepad to aim in GTA, it's a pain in the neck. My way is keyboard/ mouse for walking and then pick up a gamepad for driving.

Speaking of which, is there a way to use a wheel in GTA games? That would be amazing fun, especially with the excellent first person driving view mods - on PC only of course. :p

As for EA giving the PC dumbed down Fifa for ages, that argument doesn't hold any water either - Konami gave the PC the same version of PES - in fact the vast majority of companies either gave the PC the same version as the consoles, or in some cases, a superior version.

Mass Effect for example, Pixel. ;) From what I've read about the console's controls in that game, it sounds as though it would drive me mad when it comes to the menus especially.

But anyway, this has gone way off topic - due in no small part to myself, so let's get it back on an even keel; I didn't start the 'PC vs console war' in this thread though. ;)

I'm not sure if I mentioned it already, but Ultimate Team has been confirmed officially for Fifa 12 PC. And whether we get the same game as the consoles or not, I'm looking forwards to hearing Man Utd run out at Old Trafford to the Rocky theme. :D
 
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The day has come, fellow PC gamers!!

Electronic Arts announced today that EA SPORTS has developed the Player Impact Engine for FIFA 12 on PC, delivering a new physics engine, and the award-winning gameplay and features to PC fans around the world. For the first time ever, FIFA 12 on PlayStation 3 computer entertainment system, Xbox 360 videogame and entertainment system, and PC will have the identical game engine and feature set when the game launches September 27 in North America and September 30 worldwide.

PC, PlayStation3 and Xbox 360 To Have Identical Features | EA SPORTS Football
 
Nice :).

Let's just hope you don't get left behind again when the PS4, Xbox 720 and whatever come out!

Hmm. I hope not, but it's something that could happen all over again. It all depends on how far ahead of current PC tech the new consoles go. Either way, it shouldn't be an excuse to give us a recycled game for six years - the PC didn't take that long to catch up to the PS3/Xbox 360 did it?
 
Whatever comes out, I'll always be a PC gamer. I just cant play those low texture dumbed down games :p . Now that FIFA uses the same engine, you'll see what PC can really do.
And just carrying on that Console vs PC debate :D , You know which is the biggest selling game in the history of Gaming and on what platform?

Its on PC and it is *Cough* WOW *Cough* 11.4 million player :eek:
:p
 
Gameplay is important to me but as well. The most of the games i love are on PC. I'm avid RPG/FPS gamer and there is nothing better than PC to play them. Another thing which pc games have is longevity. Oblivion had hundreds of mods and fan created missions etc. Tweaking and modding is much better on PC's.
There are only two console exclusive which is wish on pc, SVR2011 and GOW.

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And WOW is addictive, i started playing it during my vacation last year and forced myself not to play it again coz i was spending 12 to 14 hours a day on WOW :facepalm . Never touched it again :p
 
Smackdown vs Raw is a piece of crap. There is much better stuff than that that is on only consoles. What do you mean by GOW, Gears of War or God of War? Regardless of which one, you are missing A LOT of PS3, 360 and Wii exclusives there. I really feel you're missing out on Action Adventure a lot, AP, you should try it. Best genre IMO, very popular genre, but low on content as it has maybe a 15 hour campaign and no multiplayer. Plus I feel PC misses out on trophies/acheivements. It adds a nice amount of structure to games other than sports games and gives the game a better sense of addictiveness and challenge. One of the reasons I can't be bothered trying Oblivion is it has no trophies.

Best selling single platform game in history is Wii Sports, no competition. WOW has been out for ages, I'm not sure but must have been 10 years by now. That's under 1.5 million units sold a year, so in reality, that is a crappy performance.

Some Halo would be best for 360, and Uncharted 2 would be best for PS3, both with much higher units sold per year then any PC games.

But, tbh, I don't believe in copies sold usually, dosen't mean much. If that is true, then Wii Sports is the best game ever made and COD is the best franchise ever, both complete crap.

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With the whole Oblivion thing, I do agree. If you really are a huge Oblivion fan and hundreds of hours of gameplay isn't enough, then the PC version is for you. Even without looking at the mods, the PC version may be better. RPG and RTS is better on PC as well with the mouse and keyboard. FPS and TPS is personal preference.

Gameplay is the main factor for a sports game. Mods add pretty much nothing to greatly enhance the game like extra quests would on Oblivion. The graphical side of things is a silly argument because graphics aren't that important. There's a football game called "Real Life", I don't know if you've heard of it. It has really good graphics.

As for "We can see what the PC can really do", who cares. What can really show what it can do would be far superior gameplay. People always say PS3 is more powerful than 360 in the conole debate. I don't understand a word of why that matters because who cares, good graphics don't make a good game. GT5 would be an absolute revolution if graphics were that important.

Overall I feel all these yearly releases of sports games are usually a lot like COD, small, meaningless tweaks each year. Mind you the difference is greater than those in the COD games. You do get the huge changes some times though, like FIFA 11 PC, FIFA 08 console, PES 11 on all platforms and some other games where the engine was majorly tweaked.
 
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Disagree about Smackdown vs Raw - I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it was released on PC.

Trophies are beginning to come into PC gaming now - you get them in the Total War series, in F1 2010, maybe in Streetfighter IV as well. Personally, I don't really give a damn about them, if a game is good enough to pull me in then it doesn't matter to me what 'achievements' have been ummm... achieved. :D

Also, I wouldn't entirely agree about mods adding nothing to a sports game - there have been some mods released for Fifa 11 PC which have moved the gameplay closer to that of the PS3/Xbox 360 game, there have been mods which have fixed certain bugs (such as the duplicate Birmingham City bug) and there's also a great camera mod, which provides one of the best camera views I've ever seen in a football game - and the good news is, the same camera view looks to be the default in Fifa 12! :D

And when the modders really get into the 'new' engine's code, they'll be able to add stadiums for every team, crowd chants that put the makers to shame and all sorts of other things - which as a whole add a ton to Fifa/PES. ;)
 
Yup trophies/ achievements are norm in a lot of PC games now. DragonAge 2 had them, AC2 had them and there are many more....
 
Yup trophies/ achievements are norm in a lot of PC games now. DragonAge 2 had them, AC2 had them and there are many more....

Bit more off topic: do you know if Ubisoft are still persevering with their idiotic DRM system of always needing to be connected to the net to play - offline?
 
I am fed up of Ubisoft and those companies which forces this kind of protection. I just install the game from the disc and use the ahem ;). IMO i paid them once for the game, now i expect them to leave me alone. Lemme just enjoy the frigging game.
 
More info about the 'Trinity' of features - I'm getting sick of that word! Just want to see some Career Mode info now - that's supposed to come on July 11th. More videos coming today, but they look to be focused on the 'Trinity'. Again. :rolleyes

Edit: Dual commentary teams have been confirmed for Fifa 12. Not too sure who, but Alan Smith is one of them. :facepalm
 
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