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To make matters worse, just heard Fabio "There's A Horse's Head In My Bed" Capello talk about how well England played.......goodbye sir, goodbye.
Fifa 2010 World Cup: Round of 16
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shravi
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Oh come on now, they were great going forward after the first 2 goals. They created a number of chances and Lampard, Gerrard and even Milner (excluding his crosses) were great. There are a few positives to take out of this match. Defensively, there are none of course.
m_vaughan
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Lampard and Gerrard won't be in the next World Cup. England need a complete overhaul now.
Themer
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I'd expect Gerrard to still be there in 4 years time.
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Yeah, he'd be 34 but I doubt Lampard would still be there at 36. Terry will most probably still be there at 33 as well.
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I know, I am bitter at the moment. But it is interesting that even yoiu don't mention Rooney in that line-up of names and he should be, that is my complaint!
MasterBlaster76
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Hello lads. You're lucky you're not the England team, because I'm about to let rip.
Rubbish. Awful, garbage, clueless, terrible, dire, lacking in ideas, lacking in creativity, no backbone, no fighting spirit - no damn idea.
Firstly, I think we have a Steve McLaren Mk 2 in charge. He was a great club manager, and an awful International one - Signor Capello has turned out to be the same when it really mattered - it was all summed up by taking off a full back (Cole/Johnson) and replacing him with Shawn Wright Phillips? Why? Why put on a player like Heskey who can't hit a bloody barn door when we need goals? And above all, why continue with 4-4-2, when it's clearly not playing to the players' strengths - specifically, Rooney and Gerrard? As I said yesterday, Gerrard just off Rooney and Joe Cole out on the left.
In other words, 4-5-1. At this level, you have to control the midfield - you can't do that with 4-4-2 - even if other top teams start with 4-4-2, they always change it pretty much immediately.
Heskey should never play for England again - why we didn't bring Agbonlahor or Bent is beyond me - the only pure out and out striker we had was Defoe! All our other 'strikers' are not natural goal poachers like Defoe is; Rooney is a great player, but he's not really a 'fox in the box'.
Things have to change at a fundamental level.
1. We need a winter break, like the rest of Europe.
2. Wage cap and foreigner cap. NOW!
3. Take this U17 team that have just won the European Championships, nurture them, keep them together, keep them playing as a solid unit, and build towards the next World Cup like that. By the time 2018 comes round - when we might well have the Cup back on English soil - they'll be ready to win it.
4. We must have a tough Englishman in charge of the National team from now on - but not as tough as Capello. He overdid it - I think his restrictions on the players were far too severe, there was obviously unrest between players and manager. If we ever do go for a foreigner again, he must speak fluent and understandable English! The players must have been saying things like 'what's he on about now?' Regardless of whether Stuart Pearce or whoever translates, that must lower respect for the manager. As well as that, Capello has been proven to have no flexibility at all, even though the system he played clearly wasn't working. Rooney plays up front on his own at Utd, with a creative midfielder just off him - it works a treat, both in Europe and domestic football. Steven Gerrard - just off Torres - and he's fantastic - yet come the World Cup, and both players never played in their best position, not once.
My man would be Roy Hodgson. From Wiki:
Roy Hodgson (born 9 August 1947) is an English former footballer and now football manager, who is currently the manager of Fulham.[1].
Hodgson is probably best known for guiding the Swiss national team to the last 16 of the 1994 World Cup and qualification for Euro 1996; Switzerland had not qualified for a major tournament since the 1960s. He has also coached many notable club sides, including Malm? FF, Inter Milan, Blackburn Rovers, and Udinese. He was appointed to his current role at Fulham in December 2007.
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As you can see, he has coached outside of England, he has also coached at International level and done a fine job - if he can do that with the Swiss National team, what could he do with England? FA, sound him out about England before he gets swallowed up by sodding Liverpool and if we can't get him, give Harry Redknapp a go - what he may or may not have done off the pitch is neither here nor there.
5. Stop giving managers four year contracts! Give them two, if they do well, give them another two and so on. And don't sign them up on a new contract just before the start of a major tournament!
6. Sepp Blatter must be removed from his position at Fifa - his nonsensical decision not to use video replays (which would take a few seconds) could've cost England dearly today and might yet cost someone else down the line (hopefully Germany or Argentina).
7. Goal-line technology, or at least video replays, or both - NOW! (Either way, maybe now the Germans can shut the hell up about the 3rd (there was a fourth after it) goal in 1966? Call it 1-1, lads.
Note I left that for last - it didn't make any difference to the match, but what if it had? What if it had finished 2-2, and that diabolical decision had cost us a place in the Quarter finals? Have no doubt, that moron Sepp Blatter will try to sweep it under the carpet, but he must not be allowed to - for the good of the game!
Well, that's it for England and to see us taken apart like that hurts - that's the first time I've seen an England team not turn up against a big side when it really mattered. Sure, we usually lose, but we usually make the nation proud in the process! As it is, this World Cup has been a disaster from start to finish for England.
Go and win the Cup now, Brazil. It would be hard to see Germany win it, or Argentina - and it'll be fun seeing how you cram six stars around your National Badge!
Good luck Brazil.
Edit: Sums up how clueless Capello is at this level if he reckons we've played well at any stage of this tournament, other than against Slovenia (and who are they).
MasterBlaster76 added 3 Minutes and 1 Seconds later...
David James was the best player in our team - try actually watching the game, eh?
Edit: Cricket team doing their best to throw it away as well...
Edit: Rooney hasn't looked himself since that damned injury - it lost us the title, and screwed Rooney up for the World Cup. Even for Utd, he didn't look the same player - I think it would've been better if Sir Alex had left him to recover properly for the World Cup - in no way was Rooney fully fit. No way in hell.
Rubbish. Awful, garbage, clueless, terrible, dire, lacking in ideas, lacking in creativity, no backbone, no fighting spirit - no damn idea.
Firstly, I think we have a Steve McLaren Mk 2 in charge. He was a great club manager, and an awful International one - Signor Capello has turned out to be the same when it really mattered - it was all summed up by taking off a full back (Cole/Johnson) and replacing him with Shawn Wright Phillips? Why? Why put on a player like Heskey who can't hit a bloody barn door when we need goals? And above all, why continue with 4-4-2, when it's clearly not playing to the players' strengths - specifically, Rooney and Gerrard? As I said yesterday, Gerrard just off Rooney and Joe Cole out on the left.
In other words, 4-5-1. At this level, you have to control the midfield - you can't do that with 4-4-2 - even if other top teams start with 4-4-2, they always change it pretty much immediately.
Heskey should never play for England again - why we didn't bring Agbonlahor or Bent is beyond me - the only pure out and out striker we had was Defoe! All our other 'strikers' are not natural goal poachers like Defoe is; Rooney is a great player, but he's not really a 'fox in the box'.
Things have to change at a fundamental level.
1. We need a winter break, like the rest of Europe.
2. Wage cap and foreigner cap. NOW!
3. Take this U17 team that have just won the European Championships, nurture them, keep them together, keep them playing as a solid unit, and build towards the next World Cup like that. By the time 2018 comes round - when we might well have the Cup back on English soil - they'll be ready to win it.
4. We must have a tough Englishman in charge of the National team from now on - but not as tough as Capello. He overdid it - I think his restrictions on the players were far too severe, there was obviously unrest between players and manager. If we ever do go for a foreigner again, he must speak fluent and understandable English! The players must have been saying things like 'what's he on about now?' Regardless of whether Stuart Pearce or whoever translates, that must lower respect for the manager. As well as that, Capello has been proven to have no flexibility at all, even though the system he played clearly wasn't working. Rooney plays up front on his own at Utd, with a creative midfielder just off him - it works a treat, both in Europe and domestic football. Steven Gerrard - just off Torres - and he's fantastic - yet come the World Cup, and both players never played in their best position, not once.
My man would be Roy Hodgson. From Wiki:
Roy Hodgson (born 9 August 1947) is an English former footballer and now football manager, who is currently the manager of Fulham.[1].
Hodgson is probably best known for guiding the Swiss national team to the last 16 of the 1994 World Cup and qualification for Euro 1996; Switzerland had not qualified for a major tournament since the 1960s. He has also coached many notable club sides, including Malm? FF, Inter Milan, Blackburn Rovers, and Udinese. He was appointed to his current role at Fulham in December 2007.
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As you can see, he has coached outside of England, he has also coached at International level and done a fine job - if he can do that with the Swiss National team, what could he do with England? FA, sound him out about England before he gets swallowed up by sodding Liverpool and if we can't get him, give Harry Redknapp a go - what he may or may not have done off the pitch is neither here nor there.
5. Stop giving managers four year contracts! Give them two, if they do well, give them another two and so on. And don't sign them up on a new contract just before the start of a major tournament!
6. Sepp Blatter must be removed from his position at Fifa - his nonsensical decision not to use video replays (which would take a few seconds) could've cost England dearly today and might yet cost someone else down the line (hopefully Germany or Argentina).
7. Goal-line technology, or at least video replays, or both - NOW! (Either way, maybe now the Germans can shut the hell up about the 3rd (there was a fourth after it) goal in 1966? Call it 1-1, lads.
Note I left that for last - it didn't make any difference to the match, but what if it had? What if it had finished 2-2, and that diabolical decision had cost us a place in the Quarter finals? Have no doubt, that moron Sepp Blatter will try to sweep it under the carpet, but he must not be allowed to - for the good of the game!
Well, that's it for England and to see us taken apart like that hurts - that's the first time I've seen an England team not turn up against a big side when it really mattered. Sure, we usually lose, but we usually make the nation proud in the process! As it is, this World Cup has been a disaster from start to finish for England.
Go and win the Cup now, Brazil. It would be hard to see Germany win it, or Argentina - and it'll be fun seeing how you cram six stars around your National Badge!
Good luck Brazil.
Edit: Sums up how clueless Capello is at this level if he reckons we've played well at any stage of this tournament, other than against Slovenia (and who are they).
MasterBlaster76 added 3 Minutes and 1 Seconds later...
David James was the best player in our team - try actually watching the game, eh?
Edit: Cricket team doing their best to throw it away as well...
Edit: Rooney hasn't looked himself since that damned injury - it lost us the title, and screwed Rooney up for the World Cup. Even for Utd, he didn't look the same player - I think it would've been better if Sir Alex had left him to recover properly for the World Cup - in no way was Rooney fully fit. No way in hell.
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If Capello said England played well, then Germany's performance must be godly. Anyway, I just only saw this on BBC.
BBC - World Cup: Fabio Capello to discuss future with FA
That would be probably be a good news to most England fans. :laugh
BBC - David Bond: German's rich pedigree casts large shadow
I think this summarizes some major issues that needs to be dealt with.
I think this summarizes some major issues that needs to be dealt with.
Dr. Pepper
Chairman of Selectors
The England players were shambolic throughout the tournament. They didn't deserve to even get out of their group. They won one game, vs Slovenia 1-0. That's not the form of "World beaters". The players were awful throughout the tournament. Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney etc were appauling. You can't blame the disallowed goal for losing to Germany because it should have been 4-1 to Germany at that point anyway. You can't blame Fabio Capello because he did nearly everything right and it was the players who let him down. Capello should stay on because he is one of the best managers of all time and didn't get it wrong. The players however deserve everything they get because they were dreadful.
Oh well, I never really had high hopes for England although I wanted them to win. My prediction of Brazil v Germany final still seem to be on.
Oh well, I never really had high hopes for England although I wanted them to win. My prediction of Brazil v Germany final still seem to be on.
shantanu_rooney
Chairman of Selectors
Its time England appoint a new coach and captain. Give chances to the likes of Rodwell, Wilshere, Walcott, Adam Johnson, Smalling, Cattermole, Tomkins, Agbonlahor, Welbeck, Naughton, Gibbs, Cleverley, Delph, Rose etc.
Themer
Chairman of Selectors
I couldn't disagree more.
MasterBlaster76
ICC Chairman
@Dr Pepper:
Capello played our two best players out of position. He barely gave our best player at the last World Cup (Joe Cole) a look in. He put on SWP for a fullback, and Heskey on when we needed goals - a man who can't hit a barn door. He made some poor choices for the squad - where was the goal poacher other than Defoe?
He is far too inflexible and did plenty wrong during this campaign.
MasterBlaster76 added 3 Minutes and 28 Seconds later...
As I said in my manifesto/essay/diatribe - groom that U17 team and nurture them through to the next level.
MasterBlaster76 added 5 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...
Welbeck? Cattermole?
Not too sure about some of those names...
Capello played our two best players out of position. He barely gave our best player at the last World Cup (Joe Cole) a look in. He put on SWP for a fullback, and Heskey on when we needed goals - a man who can't hit a barn door. He made some poor choices for the squad - where was the goal poacher other than Defoe?
He is far too inflexible and did plenty wrong during this campaign.
MasterBlaster76 added 3 Minutes and 28 Seconds later...
As I said in my manifesto/essay/diatribe - groom that U17 team and nurture them through to the next level.
MasterBlaster76 added 5 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...
Welbeck? Cattermole?
Not too sure about some of those names...
War
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1998 WC, EURO 2000, WC 2002, EURO 2004, WC 2006, EURO 08 qualifying failure & this 2010 Shocker. (Althhough i saw ENG played good football in WC 98 & 2002 & for the majority of EURO 04). Its the same problem over & over - this very good footballers just keep freezing in big tournaments.
This was not the team that was so dominant in the 2010 world cup qualifiers. The experienced Croatia team that England smoked 4-1 in 2008 (playing the kind of quick paced, skillful football that Germany destroyed us with today) was much better than this German side.
England always start matches in major tournaments so slow & nervy in the first 20-30 minutes, which for years always puts us on the back foot. Or we defend too deep.
I have never seen John Terry look so slow in my life. JESUS CHRIST, where the f**k was the defense today. Terry/Upson where opened up like a red-sea over & over. While Johnson work as a full-back defensively was poor throughout the tournament.
As echoed before by poster master-blaster. English football needs restructuring:
- A winter break has to be introduced to premiership. Too many tournaments in the last decade do key English players, go in looking tired, injured.
- Limit of foreign players & a wage cap. What has happened with Arsenal is a disgrace really. Just one English player starting regularly in one of the main English clubs. When i started watching football in the late 90s, Arsenal had a set of English players playing regularly like Lee Dixon, Ray Parlour, Seaman, Campbell etc. That needs to corrected ASAP now.
- MOST IMPORTANTLY We need that academy in Burton up & running ASAP & start developing a consistent crop of young talent & coaches.
Since i dont want to hear anymore that the "Premiership is the best league in Europe". When the national side are playing like this.
It has been a frustrating decade being a English football fan indeed. This has been a very talented era of players - but the have blew it. Technically this era has one more chance to do something in EURO 2012 - but after a decade of frustration i'm not going to support the national team with great passion anymore. If qualify & play well - thank god.
Upson, James, Heskey, SWP, Johnson should not play for England again.
I hope Capello stays on as coach until EURO 2012. But if he wants to go i wont blame him & hopefully we get Hodgson.
This was not the team that was so dominant in the 2010 world cup qualifiers. The experienced Croatia team that England smoked 4-1 in 2008 (playing the kind of quick paced, skillful football that Germany destroyed us with today) was much better than this German side.
England always start matches in major tournaments so slow & nervy in the first 20-30 minutes, which for years always puts us on the back foot. Or we defend too deep.
I have never seen John Terry look so slow in my life. JESUS CHRIST, where the f**k was the defense today. Terry/Upson where opened up like a red-sea over & over. While Johnson work as a full-back defensively was poor throughout the tournament.
As echoed before by poster master-blaster. English football needs restructuring:
- A winter break has to be introduced to premiership. Too many tournaments in the last decade do key English players, go in looking tired, injured.
- Limit of foreign players & a wage cap. What has happened with Arsenal is a disgrace really. Just one English player starting regularly in one of the main English clubs. When i started watching football in the late 90s, Arsenal had a set of English players playing regularly like Lee Dixon, Ray Parlour, Seaman, Campbell etc. That needs to corrected ASAP now.
- MOST IMPORTANTLY We need that academy in Burton up & running ASAP & start developing a consistent crop of young talent & coaches.
Since i dont want to hear anymore that the "Premiership is the best league in Europe". When the national side are playing like this.
It has been a frustrating decade being a English football fan indeed. This has been a very talented era of players - but the have blew it. Technically this era has one more chance to do something in EURO 2012 - but after a decade of frustration i'm not going to support the national team with great passion anymore. If qualify & play well - thank god.
Upson, James, Heskey, SWP, Johnson should not play for England again.
I hope Capello stays on as coach until EURO 2012. But if he wants to go i wont blame him & hopefully we get Hodgson.
shantanu_rooney
Chairman of Selectors
The likes of Hart, Foster, Shawcross, Wilshere, Adam Johnson, Walcott, Rodwell must be given a chance in the upcoming EURO 2012 qualifiers. I still feel Foster could be England best keeper and I hope he proves me right during the next season.
