MasterBlaster76
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That's my point. The amount of money in football is stupid and getting worse by the year! The ordinary fan will be priced out of the game.
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That's my point. The amount of money in football is stupid and getting worse by the year! The ordinary fan will be priced out of the game.
I'm so jealous you know. I'm so annoyed that we are Champions of England, Champions of Europe and Champions of the world, that we are favourites to retain our trophies, that we have the world's most successful manager in charge, that we have the world's best player over the last 12 months, that we have won the European Cup 3 times, that we have won the league 17 times, that we have a history of truely remarkable players and managers, a history of fight and determination after tragedy, that we fight when being taken over instead of bending over and taking it from behind. That's why I'm annoyed.
I'd much rather we had the tallest floodlights in the football league, had Curly Watts as a celebrity fan, had 3 stars on our badge for no reason, had Colin Bell who was better than Bell, took a quarter of a million to the hill in Blackburn, had a civic reception for no reason, had the tallest corner flags in the world, went to Cardiff and Wrexham on our Euro aways, have a best player who played for Ajax reserves, have derby matches with Macclesfield, lose to Notts Forest 3-0 and Brighton in the same season, and I'd also rather we'd not won anything in 33 years and were bitter about our neighbours success.
Funny how jealousy works, eh?
Now for those know-nothings who don't know how football works in Manchester, don't try to make assumptions about it.
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It's not Kaka's fault, and it is quite obviously not Milan's fault, as I said before, Milan think 107 million is too much to turn down (who can blame them) and if Milan don't want him, there's not much he can do, he's definitely not going there out of a desire to turn things around for them. For the person who said United fans are only saying it's not right because it's not United this time, there is one hell of a difference between £30 million and £107 million and 120k a week and 500k a week.
I'd much rather we had the tallest floodlights in the football league, had Curly Watts as a celebrity fan, had 3 stars on our badge for no reason, had Colin Bell who was better than Bell, took a quarter of a million to the hill in Blackburn, had a civic reception for no reason, had the tallest corner flags in the world, went to Cardiff and Wrexham on our Euro aways, have a best player who played for Ajax reserves, have derby matches with Macclesfield, lose to Notts Forest 3-0 and Brighton in the same season, and I'd also rather we'd not won anything in 33 years and were bitter about our neighbours success.
Funny how jealousy works, eh?
Now for those know-nothings who don't know how football works in Manchester, don't try to make assumptions about it.
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It's not Kaka's fault, and it is quite obviously not Milan's fault, as I said before, Milan think 107 million is too much to turn down (who can blame them) and if Milan don't want him, there's not much he can do, he's definitely not going there out of a desire to turn things around for them. For the person who said United fans are only saying it's not right because it's not United this time, there is one hell of a difference between £30 million and £107 million and 120k a week and 500k a week.
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Leicester Fox
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We had a business lesson on this. I got sent out.
I did turn it into how much better united are than everyone else and won though.
We also got to learn about our debts to the Glazers. Only 150 years and we're sorted.
I did turn it into how much better united are than everyone else and won though.
We also got to learn about our debts to the Glazers. Only 150 years and we're sorted.
MasterBlaster76
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Well said Phil. And you're right! When the Glaziers came in to take us over, we fought like mad to keep our club away from them. Man City? They just rolled over and sold out.
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Man City, a club in the hands of a Thai billionaire whom was about to extradited for fraud charges. Which if convicted would have had all his assets seized and Man City put into the ownership of the Thai government and thus out of anyone with any interest in football or the clubs hands. Wow, totally sold out.
Leicester Fox
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I think you might have a dodgy argument there Phil. I mean there success will be hollow and meaningless if they get any but they won't care.
However we are getting off the issue. Manucho is going to Hull. Much bigger transfer.
City are fags.
Will be back in a few hours for more city abuse.
However we are getting off the issue. Manucho is going to Hull. Much bigger transfer.
City are fags.
Will be back in a few hours for more city abuse.
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You know you'd love Robinho and Kaka at United, and it's clear that the fact that City can afford those players and United can't annoys the hell out of you. I love the fact that you try and nitpick every little thing that City do, and it's actually really annoying. It doesn't happen with any other fans on here, just the United fans. I also enjoyed the fact that you mocked City's signing of Bridge and the rumour that they want Parker, yet who did Chelsea sign in there first year of Roman's money?
Wayne Bridge
Joe Cole
Glen Johnson
Neil Sullivan
Scott Parker
Geremi
Damien Duff
Hernan Crespo
Adrian Mutu
Seba Veron
That's a seriously impressive list of big names isn't it. Only Veron and Crespo were actually big names at the time, but they still had nothing on Robinho and Kaka. Chelsea managed to have a fantastic season under Ranieri with those signings as well, coming a close second. It wasn't until the 2nd season of Roman's money that the big signings came in, with Mourinho buying players like Carvalho, Cech, Essien, Drogba, Ballack, Shevchenko etc etc. If Bridge and Parker were good enough for Chelsea and got them to 2nd in the league under Ranieri, why do you seem to be under the impression that it'll take 3 years before City are challenging the Top 4?
If Kaka and Robinho come in within the first 2 transfer windows of the money that should be a real indication that City are going to be a force to be reckoned with, and although I actually like United, the fact that you guys on here slag City off so much I'd LOVE to see them be awesome next season. It won't take many new players before City are a real decent unit, and if you really believe they're going to fail and be low in the table for the next couple of seasons then you're going to be made to look a fool. Big players bring results, and getting Kaka in would be a huge boost to City.
Wayne Bridge
Joe Cole
Glen Johnson
Neil Sullivan
Scott Parker
Geremi
Damien Duff
Hernan Crespo
Adrian Mutu
Seba Veron
That's a seriously impressive list of big names isn't it. Only Veron and Crespo were actually big names at the time, but they still had nothing on Robinho and Kaka. Chelsea managed to have a fantastic season under Ranieri with those signings as well, coming a close second. It wasn't until the 2nd season of Roman's money that the big signings came in, with Mourinho buying players like Carvalho, Cech, Essien, Drogba, Ballack, Shevchenko etc etc. If Bridge and Parker were good enough for Chelsea and got them to 2nd in the league under Ranieri, why do you seem to be under the impression that it'll take 3 years before City are challenging the Top 4?
If Kaka and Robinho come in within the first 2 transfer windows of the money that should be a real indication that City are going to be a force to be reckoned with, and although I actually like United, the fact that you guys on here slag City off so much I'd LOVE to see them be awesome next season. It won't take many new players before City are a real decent unit, and if you really believe they're going to fail and be low in the table for the next couple of seasons then you're going to be made to look a fool. Big players bring results, and getting Kaka in would be a huge boost to City.
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£100M for a player. Ludicrous
But then so is £30M
This is really no different to any other big money transfer, sure the goalposts have been moved a bit, but then that is always happening.
£30M transfers were pie in the sky not so many years back, now that figure seems to be getting banded about a lot. Hell £10M gets you a run of the mill championship player these days if you are a Premiership club.
As for allegations that City are trying to buy success...That's no different to any other club. Phil, you might bang on about United's history but the fact that they are successful is not down to their history, its not down to a plane crash, it's not even down to them having a world class manager. It's down to the fact that they were the first English club to realise there is big money to be had/made in football. That's where your money came from and thats where your success came from. No bones about it. The bar has been raised and it's up to the other clubs to compete now.
But then so is £30M
This is really no different to any other big money transfer, sure the goalposts have been moved a bit, but then that is always happening.
£30M transfers were pie in the sky not so many years back, now that figure seems to be getting banded about a lot. Hell £10M gets you a run of the mill championship player these days if you are a Premiership club.
As for allegations that City are trying to buy success...That's no different to any other club. Phil, you might bang on about United's history but the fact that they are successful is not down to their history, its not down to a plane crash, it's not even down to them having a world class manager. It's down to the fact that they were the first English club to realise there is big money to be had/made in football. That's where your money came from and thats where your success came from. No bones about it. The bar has been raised and it's up to the other clubs to compete now.
A) There is ?70 million difference, that's a hell of a lot, that's not just moving the goalposts a little bit.
And how many times do I have to explain this point. United's success came from having Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Butt, Nevilles coming through at the same time, and before that having the Busby Babes coming through. A few things determine the size of a club, one of them is history, and I'm suprised you're disregarding it as a Liverpool fan, it's one of their saving graces these days
Plus, players will be more likely to join a club with a bigger history.The point I'm making is, if you're not a United or City fan or from Manchester, you can't comment on how we view the situation. City are only on this Earth for comedy.
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When you have that sort of money, its not that big a deal though.
Translate it down to a scale most of us can understand.
You can go into pretty much any clothes store and buy a £30 pair of Jeans, somewhere nearby there will be a £100 pair. It's not so much of a stretch to go from buying the first pair to the second.
For the record, I remember United before Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Butt and the Nevilles and you could tell they had the jump on other clubs on how they were being run back then. I also forgot that geography plays a part in your ability to understand a business deal which is what it is.
Translate it down to a scale most of us can understand.
You can go into pretty much any clothes store and buy a £30 pair of Jeans, somewhere nearby there will be a £100 pair. It's not so much of a stretch to go from buying the first pair to the second.
For the record, I remember United before Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Butt and the Nevilles and you could tell they had the jump on other clubs on how they were being run back then. I also forgot that geography plays a part in your ability to understand a business deal which is what it is.
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I'm not saying anything about how it involves the business deal, but when know-nothings come out saying we're jealous, they need to understand the fans' view of each other. People who don't know anything about the Manchester clubs, apart from saying they are their "second team"
: Jealous? I'm laughing at the giddyness, it may be sad, but I've been reading threads on their forum, even one which claimed they'd be the first team to win every game in the season. Utter comedy.
£100 million is 3x £30 million, it's over double the world record transfer fee, the reported wages are over 4x the highest wages at the moment.
The size of United (given a large contribution by history and a large fanbase) meant United had a jump on the rest in the 70's and 80's. United have always been a big club when they were not winning things, City on the other hand, despite the ironic song, have not.
When United went down in 74, our attendance was even higher than it was even the year before, I'd like to see that from City, they can't fill out at the moment.
: Jealous? I'm laughing at the giddyness, it may be sad, but I've been reading threads on their forum, even one which claimed they'd be the first team to win every game in the season. Utter comedy.£100 million is 3x £30 million, it's over double the world record transfer fee, the reported wages are over 4x the highest wages at the moment.
The size of United (given a large contribution by history and a large fanbase) meant United had a jump on the rest in the 70's and 80's. United have always been a big club when they were not winning things, City on the other hand, despite the ironic song, have not.
When United went down in 74, our attendance was even higher than it was even the year before, I'd like to see that from City, they can't fill out at the moment.
