Football Transfers Thread

[thedon5]

Arsenal have poor defensive organisation but good defenders. If the defenders at Arsenal were at Chelsea they would be better. This may change with Steve Bould as well, the organisation.

I don't rate Terry that highly any more and Cahill has had a few good performances but still nothing spectacular. Luiz is Luiz.

And the fact is season after season Utd concede less goals than Chelsea. The CL was rubbish, 10 men behind the ball doesn't mean you have a good defence, you can't do that to everyone.

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I heard they had trouble fitting Hazard in the MRI machine because his head was too big.

 

[JBlues08]

Arsenal have poor defensive organisation but good defenders. If the defenders at Arsenal were at Chelsea they would be better. This may change with Steve Bould as well, the organisation.

I don't rate Terry that highly any more and Cahill has had a few good performances but still nothing spectacular. Luiz is Luiz.

Oh dear.

Mistakes from poor defensive organisation is one thing but committing the same individual mistakes over and over again is another and that is the case most of the time at Arsenal. That said, it's perfectly understandable if you fail to recognize that.

And the fact is season after season Utd concede less goals than Chelsea. The CL was rubbish, 10 men behind the ball doesn't mean you have a good defence, you can't do that to everyone.

Not that again. We only really played defensively or with 10 men behind the ball if you like against Barcelona and probably Bayern as well. Any team who tries to play Barcelona at their own game will end up suffering more often than not and we were only playing to our strengths really.

Against Bayern, with all our injuries/suspensions problem, we didn't have much choice to do what we did. Furthermore, it was an away CL final match for us rather than the so called 'Neutral' venue for it. We went there to play on the counter but because our ball retention and usage of the ball was poor, we end up looking like just parking the bus and hoping for something to happen.

I heard they had trouble fitting Hazard in the MRI machine because his head was too big.

 

[Bevab]

Palacio's transfer has been confirmed.

And Modric seems to be heavily linked with United, for 30M Pounds? That's not easily believable.

 

[thedon5]

The individual mistakes are due to the system itself. Wenger wants the players to push too far forward, at times we have just Koscielny back with the DM, fullbacks and Vermaelen marauding forward. Mertesacker making individual mistakes was due to him not being used to the pace of the league yet. If you still think he is poor you obviously didn't see him in the games just before he got injured, class.

Fact is I'd take Koscielny over any Chelsea defender any day of the week. Chelsea conceded 3 goals less than Arsenal, we've had defensive problems with injuries all season, so our first choice defenders are better than yours. Plus those extra three goals can be attributed to the 8-2 anyway, when we had a hideous defensive line-up. Chelsea do not have a far better defence than Arsenal, it's very similar. City and Utd are MILES ahead in defence over both teams.

With the second part you've quoted, that was in reply to you saying Chelsea had a good defence only because they beat Barcelona. Rubbish, it appeared that way only with the 10 men behind the ball. When they get back to normal play the weak defence will be exposed. Those three matches in the CL alone prove nothing about Chelsea's defence, the season has proved that it was poor. Mistakes time and time again. The defence is good, but the lack of a proper RB is a problem. Cahill is coming good though, so the defence could be decent next season, but still not near Man Utd's level.

Hazard is arrogant as hell, you can see from all the interviews. It may just be the media with all the whoring out and stuff, but he is like Ronaldo with his arrogance, only he's not nearly as good as Ronaldo. This is certain. You don't see Kagawa acting arrogantly in the media. He is a quite Japanese kid.

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Palacio's transfer has been confirmed.

And Modric seems to be heavily linked with United, for 30M Pounds? That's not easily believable.

Why not? Modric is said to be leaving, even Levy has conceded this. 40 m was when they didn't want to sell him, I suppose now they'll take a lower offer, or at least Utd will offer a lower starting offer.

 

[JBlues08]

The individual mistakes are due to the system itself. Wenger wants the players to push too far forward, at times we have just Koscielny back with the DM, fullbacks and Vermaelen marauding forward. Mertesacker making individual mistakes was due to him not being used to the pace of the league yet. If you still think he is poor you obviously didn't see him in the games just before he got injured, class.

Individual mistakes down to just the system itself?

Those three matches in the CL alone prove nothing about Chelsea's defence, the season has proved that it was poor. Mistakes time and time again. The defence is good, but the lack of a proper RB is a problem. Cahill is coming good though, so the defence could be decent next season, but still not near Man Utd's level.

Did mention before in the previous post that most of our defensive problems last season was down to AVB's high line. RDM reverted to type and we were far more solid then. Sure we did concede a number of goals under the latter but most were down to concentration more than anything else.

Adding to that, think you are completely overestimating United's defence. They too have their own defensive deficiencies throughout the year despite conceding less goals than us in the league. To say we are nowhere near United's level is an exaggeration. It's only their attacking prowess in the season that has papered over the cracks in their defence.

Hazard is arrogant as hell, you can see from all the interviews. It may just be the media with all the whoring out and stuff, but he is like Ronaldo with his arrogance, only he's not nearly as good as Ronaldo. This is certain. You don't see Kagawa acting arrogantly in the media. He is a quite Japanese kid.

Typical reaction from fans these days but suit yourself...

 

[thedon5]

Individual mistakes down to just the system itself?



Did mention before in the previous post that most of our defensive problems last season was down to AVB's high line. RDM reverted to type and we were far more solid then. Sure we did concede a number of goals under the latter but most were down to concentration more than anything else.

Adding to that, think you are completely overestimating United's defence. They too have their own defensive deficiencies throughout the year despite conceding less goals than us in the league. To say we are nowhere near United's level is an exaggeration. It's only their attacking prowess in the season that has papered over the cracks in their defence.



Typical reaction from fans these days but suit yourself...

How is that first point so hard for you to take... The system itself causes the players to play out of position and in positions where defending becomes much more difficult. If someone like Vermaelen went as far as the half way line, and saved his energy too, he would make FAR fewer mistakes. He enjoys going forward yes, but the system takes it too far and he ends up spending half the game in the opposition half. This is what causes his mistakes, the system demanding he play forward.

United have problems in the full back positions, no denying, but tbh I don't really know why but I have a feeling Utd will sign some good reinforcements at fullback. Chelsea, not so sure, it looks like Abramovich will be making all the transfers and will try and get all the flashiest and most attacking players (e.g. van der Wiel). I still think Utd are better defensively most of the time. The fact is I don't think there is a team in the league atm that doesn't have fullback problems. All do. Every time I see Utd, I see a solidity that isn't there with Chelsea, even under RDM. There were goals conceded anyway, even with his system as you said. The defence still isn't good enough to stop the silly goals going in. Terry is declining too regardless. A lot of Chelsea's defence will depend on the manager next season, so we'll wait till it's announced to come to a full conclusion.

Just read Hazard's twitter, he did whore himself out. His twitter is not created by the media. A lot of the things he's said have showed extreme arrogance, try and prove me wrong, because it is true. Just wait till he has a decent season and see his arrogance going wild. Typical reaction from a fan whose team signed the player, but suit yourself.

 

[Bevab]

Look at the comments passed by Hazard when each club was interested in him. He just wanted a transfer from Lille, but did not want to make it straight-forward and disappoint fans and the manager. That's a crafty brain.

Still, his comments are just too much. Typical Ronaldo though. Still, Ronaldo gives more clarity on his future and has improved, ageing I guess.

Just give Hazard time, he'll sort himself out decently. Or I may well be proven wrong and he can become a Balotelli kinda player, although even Mario is young.

 

[thedon5]

Not really. Balotelli has no discipline, Hazard is big headed.

I wouldn't be surprised if he came out and said soon "People are jealous of me because I'm wealthy, good looking and talented," a la Ronaldo.

 

[Bevab]

Haha. That would be epic.

Good to see Kranjcar leave the Spurs. That obviously adds a confidence boost, which is bound to help Croatia in the Euro.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

From what I saw in the England v Belgium game, Hazard didn't impress me at all. I've never seen Kagawa play, so I can't speak for him - might hit youtube later to dig up some of his footage.

As for Modric to Utd - do we really need another midfield playmaker? Still, that might point to a different system in midfield - with maybe Jones playing as a defensive midfielder and Kagawa/Modric in the centre? Sounds lovely. According to the rumours, Modric will sign for Utd after the Euros. We will see.

Anyone heard of this fella?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...er-United-agree-3m-deal-Angelo-Henriquez.html

 

[Bevab]

I have not.

Modric would be a good buy actually. Himself and Fletcher would be a great pairing.

That is assuming Fletcher returns, otherwise you just have to go with Martinez or Capoue.

 

[puddleduck]

Modric would be amazing at Utd. They play with genuine width which suits his passing style perfectly. Not many people better at hitting flat diagonal passes into the space behind full backs.

 

[MasterBlaster76]

How do you think he'd be in a partnership with Kagawa?

 

[puddleduck]

Don't know enough about Kagawa really. If he's mobile and has a good first touch and short passing ability then they'd link up very well.

If Kagawa is more of a Scholes (under 25) type player who gets into the box and likes to shoot they'd be a great mix. Reason being that Modric really should score more than he does, and never seems all that comfortable in and around the box when he's looking to shoot.

 

[Dr. Pepper]

He has exactly that. Kagawa has a very good all round game - passing, shooting, vision, mobility and work rate. He will also work his socks off defensively. Given that and the fact that Modric, Scholes and Carrick are smart players positionally is making me reassess whether Utd need a box-to-box player. Perhaps they can get away with Kagawa working as a spoiler in the big games with Modric/Scholes/Carrick screening him.