General Cricket Discussion

[Bigby Wolf]

 

[icyman]

The Sharda Ugra article- anyone read it? It is a 23-page read highlighting the structural inefficiencies of a system plagued by political rot!

Brilliant take on the BCCI. Just bloody brilliant!

Some exceprts from the article

In what already was a monopsony, an oligarch has taken over the cartel. We are witnessing for the first time in the BCCI the gradual solidification of the soft power of not politicians as a lot but of a single political party.

“The minister wanted the BCCI to cancel the tour citing security concerns,” Mathur writes. Mathur heard Dalmiya’s “clear, firm” reply. “I am the president of the BCCI and the BCCI wants the cricket to go ahead,” Dalmiya said. “You are the government; if you don’t want the tour, please go ahead and order its cancellation.” This was one example of the separation of the church of Indian cricket from the state.

In most cases, previous BCCI leaders did not have unquestioned access to wealth of the kind the board owns today. And, in the IPL era, those that did
were not under the control of the government. Jay Shah is the only one to tick both boxes. Shah has complete charge over the only golden goose in Indian sport—financially independent and ostensibly requiring nothing of the government.

I am loving this article from Ugra:

“Well, I think they are united in corruption,” Azad told me. To him, Shukla is a reflection of the old BCCI, where political differences did not matter. “They are still
together,” he said. “Look at Rajeev Shukla. He is a tamatar, sabji mein bhi hai salad mein bhi hai”—He is a tomato, he can be found in a vegetable curry, he can
also be found in a salad. “I appreciate that man for being a tamatar,” Azad added. “Whichever government is there, whosoever is the president, he is always there.”

 

[Bevab]

The Sharda Ugra article- anyone read it? It is a 23-page read highlighting the structural inefficiencies of a system plagued by political rot!

Brilliant take on the BCCI. Just bloody brilliant!

Some exceprts from the article







I am loving this article from Ugra:

This was the article I was referring to in the WC thread as being in the Caravan. The lack of accountability at the state association level is not surprising but it does sadden me. Also proves my conjecture from a few pages ago about player welfare not really being a big priority despite them being the driving factor.

 

[Bevab]

Looks like cricket is set to be a part of the 2028 LA Olympics. This will be a huge boost to the sport’s popularity if the opportunity is utilised by the ICC in the wake of the tournament. The prospect of extra government funding in certain associate countries will also be a boon.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Looks like cricket is set to be a part of the 2028 LA Olympics. This will be a huge boost to the sport’s popularity if the opportunity is utilised by the ICC in the wake of the tournament. The prospect of extra government funding in certain associate countries will also be a boon.

The additional funding could be a great boost to some of the middling and emerging sides.

I just hope we get a decent sized tournament and not a jumped up Champions Trophy where the ICC says the top 8 side ranked are the ones who should qualify.

 

[icyman]

The additional funding could be a great boost to some of the middling and emerging sides.

I just hope we get a decent sized tournament and not a jumped up Champions Trophy where the ICC says the top 8 side ranked are the ones who should qualify.

I believe the 1st edition will see somewhat of a compressed world event. If the articles are to be believed, LA28 will probably play host to only 6 teams with T20 being the preferred format. The limitation is on the basis of the fact that teams will most likely bring in 15 member squads+ support staff. Given the capacity limits at the Olympic villages this might be a concern.

 

[pillowprocter]

Looks like cricket is set to be a part of the 2028 LA Olympics. This will be a huge boost to the sport’s popularity if the opportunity is utilised by the ICC in the wake of the tournament. The prospect of extra government funding in certain associate countries will also be a boon.

Sincerely hope that it is a bigger event to include associates, or that a lot of full members pull out of it so teams like Netherlands and Namibia can get in. This could cause their Olympic associations to take notice and support them financially.

 

[icyman]

Sincerely hope that it is a bigger event to include associates, or that a lot of full members pull out of it so teams like Netherlands and Namibia can get in. This could cause their Olympic associations to take notice and support them financially.

I am more keen on understanding the format and the qualification here. If the Olympics are to include cricket, they will devise a regional pathway. This most likely means:

Possible Qualification Criteria:
1 Asia : Winner of the Asia Cup
1 Australasia : Likely to be shoot out between Aus v NZ
1 Europe: England
1 North Americas: Caricom vs Canada vs USA
1 South America: Whosoever tops the ICC ranking
1 Africa: Whosoever tops the ICC ranking

My take on Olympics would be this:

1. 16 teams to participate. If the squad members are a concern- compress. Perhaps, a slight modification to play with 8 on field players and keep the squad to 11 +3 support only
2. Ideally should be a T10 format(if there are 8 players). If not, T20 works(will be T20 cause IOC demands there be a World Championship in the selected format)
3. Straight KO:

• Round of 16 -8 games
• QF- 4 games
• SF- 2 games
• Grand Final- 1 game

 

[wasteyouryouth]

I am more keen on understanding the format and the qualification here. If the Olympics are to include cricket, they will devise a regional pathway. This most likely means:

Possible Qualification Criteria:
1 Asia : Winner of the Asia Cup
1 Australasia : Likely to be shoot out between Aus v NZ
1 Europe: England
1 North Americas: Caricom vs Canada vs USA
1 South America: Whosoever tops the ICC ranking
1 Africa: Whosoever tops the ICC ranking

My take on Olympics would be this:

1. 16 teams to participate. If the squad members are a concern- compress. Perhaps, a slight modification to play with 8 on field players and keep the squad to 11 +3 support only
2. Ideally should be a T10 format(if there are 8 players). If not, T20 works(will be T20 cause IOC demands there be a World Championship in the selected format)
3. Straight KO:

• Round of 16 -8 games
• QF- 4 games
• SF- 2 games
• Grand Final- 1 game

Rugby 7's had 12 teams, which is probably a comparable number that you could expect for cricket. I would look to the ICC's nomination of teams for the Commonwealth games as a guide for how it might work. It was the hosts, six best ranked teams and another qualifier.

The IOC will want those Indian eyeballs, so India has to qualify. So doing it by ranking is probably easiest (and cheapest for the ICC). They could have another World qualifier for lower ranked sides - maybe expand it to any side that wants to take part.

England competes as part of Great Britain at the Olympics, and although they've sent a women's football team to the last Olympics, it probably depends on the British cricket boards. As the ECB covers England and Wales already, I could imagine them being happy to have a joint side with Scotland. However, Northern Ireland is part of the all-Ireland team in cricket so I wouldn't see it as a nailed on thing.

I could see them perhaps doing it as a T10 but not reducing the number of players per side.

It will be interesting to see what develops.

 

[Pinch hitter]

Bavuma hit a century... this man surprised me a lot in last year or so... a solid heart player...

 

[Bevab]

Bavuma hit a century... this man surprised me a lot in last year or so... a solid heart player...

He keeps vindicating my claim of him being the best current SA batter in ODIs with every performance.

 

[Pinch hitter]

Marnus Labuschagne

2019 - came in as Steven Smith's concussion substitute and changed Test cricket...
2023 - came in as Cameron Green's concussion substitute and won the ODI after being 113/7...

 

[ddrap14]

Marnus Labuschagne

2019 - came in as Steven Smith's concussion substitute and changed Test cricket...
2023 - came in as Cameron Green's concussion substitute and won the ODI after being 113/7...

Boomers on Facebook are on their way to suggest our players should deliberately get concussed

 

[ddrap14]

I am more keen on understanding the format and the qualification here. If the Olympics are to include cricket, they will devise a regional pathway. This most likely means:

Possible Qualification Criteria:
1 Asia : Winner of the Asia Cup
1 Australasia : Likely to be shoot out between Aus v NZ
1 Europe: England
1 North Americas: Caricom vs Canada vs USA
1 South America: Whosoever tops the ICC ranking
1 Africa: Whosoever tops the ICC ranking

My take on Olympics would be this:

1. 16 teams to participate. If the squad members are a concern- compress. Perhaps, a slight modification to play with 8 on field players and keep the squad to 11 +3 support only
2. Ideally should be a T10 format(if there are 8 players). If not, T20 works(will be T20 cause IOC demands there be a World Championship in the selected format)
3. Straight KO:

• Round of 16 -8 games
• QF- 4 games
• SF- 2 games
• Grand Final- 1 game

I think it'd probably follow a similar format to either the basketball or the football.

As for qualification: I think it'd be like basketball where the teams that do the best at the World Cup get regional spots, then there is a qualifier. So, with a hypothetical field of 12 teams, 8 of which qualify via regions (2 Asia, 2 Australasia, 1 everywhere else), a hypothetical 2022 Olympics would have had: and, uhhhhh, I guess automatically make it. WI would be a bit of an issue, tbh, but that could be figured out.
Then a four team qualifying tournament - I suspect would make, and then maybe :irl: etc

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Could be a monster run chase in Bloemfontein.