ICC Cricket World Cup - May/July 2019

[LiveLoveABD]

As an England supporter, once Pandya and Pant were out I wasn't worried at all. Dhoni can't chase 10 per over and Jadhav looks very average. If one of them had got out it's a long tail. As it was, Jadhav and Dhoni did us a favour by not going for a big shot until they needed 38 off the last over.

England bowled very well but India lost it in the first 10 overs. Although had we not got the timely wickets of Sharma and Kohli it could've been different.

I wouldn't be disheartened, chasing 300+ in this World Cup has proved impossible for everyone except Bangladesh.

I agree. He can't. He can chase more.

Dhoni did that all of the IPL which you perhaps didn't follow. He's just someone who plays on the merit of the bowling and England just used the conditions to perfection. It's not like Pandya did much hitting once England realised that they should use the 'pace off the ball' strategy.

P.S- The game was made difficult by the top 3 in the first 10 and while it was improbable, it became impossible once one of them didn't bat through.

There is also that option of looking at the bowling side of things-

1) Shami is no death bowler.

2) He's bowling so well up front that he has to be played.

3) If we play BK, we have two world class death bowlers and Bumrah to bowl at practically any phase in the middle, end and beginning.

4) I have no problem with the two wristies playing, but on a day like today, you need to be flexible and just get 10 out of them and not 20. It was apparent in the first 10 overs itself that Kohli would have his hands full getting much leeway from those two. Pandya is more of a make up bowler and will get wickets if the other 40 overs are full of pressure.

5) Jadhav and Shankar are unnecessary in this line up because of the way we approach our batting. It's better we add more ammo to our already stronger suit which will enable us to defend absolutely anything and make sure we never have to chase + par scores.

 

[Bevab]

I agree. He can't. He can chase more.

Dhoni did that all of the IPL which you perhaps didn't follow. He's just someone who plays on the merit of the bowling and England just used the conditions to perfection. It's not like Pandya did much hitting once England realised that they should use the 'pace off the ball' strategy.

The same argument happened last year though. Dhoni had a good IPL, we all believed that he would carry his form onto the international ODI stage and he proceeded to play one of the worst knocks ever in recent history during the England series. Hoping that it doesn’t repeat itself yet again.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

The same argument happened last year though. Dhoni had a good IPL, we all believed that he would carry his form onto the international ODI stage and he proceeded to play one of the worst knocks ever in recent history during the England series. Hoping that it doesn’t repeat itself yet again.

I just don't understand what Dhoni could do today? He struck at 135. Same S/R as Pandya. He just gave himself a chance, as he always does. There was just way too much ground to cover.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

I agree. He can't. He can chase more.

Dhoni did that all of the IPL which you perhaps didn't follow. He's just someone who plays on the merit of the bowling and England just used the conditions to perfection. It's not like Pandya did much hitting once England realised that they should use the 'pace off the ball' strategy.

Playing the ball on merit is fine but there comes a point, if the bowlers aren't bowling bad balls, when nudging it around for singles isn't enough and you have to force the issue. Dhoni didn't look interested in doing that. At least go down swinging.

I do agree Dhoni coming in at 4 would've made more sense. For big run chases, if you don't have set batters having a calm head can be more important than big hitting. I thought Pandya looked very threatening but he was definitely outfoxed by England's field setting and bowling. It's a lot to ask Pant to come into the side and start going from the off.

 

[Bevab]

I just don't understand what Dhoni could do today? He struck at 135. Same S/R as Pandya. He just gave himself a chance, as he always does. There was just way too much ground to cover.

The too much ground to cover partly came about because of him. His approach of taking it deep works in the IPL because most teams lack 2-3 quality death bowlers and as a result bowl out their best bowlers prior to the last over in order to ramp the pressure up. This still works to an extent as in the game versus Windies, but truly high quality sides aren’t going to give you that room. Plus, it is an insanely high risk move that looks really good when it comes off and looks very bad when it fails. Intent is something that you’re supposed to show and it is mightily disrespectful to the fans and viewers out there that Dhoni treats a World Cup game like a practice session at times.

In the end, can’t blame Dhoni too much either. Like @SaiSrini mentioned, it is the job of the selectors and management to decide who gets into the squad and long term planning for the same and I believe they got this one completely wrong.

 

[Punk_Sk8r]

360 plus on the cards for sure with Jos Butler is still there to smash. Bumrah last five overs will be the key let's how English batsmen play him in the death overs.[DOUBLEPOST=1561895158][/DOUBLEPOST]

lol, I don't think so India can afford this even with 11 points on the table.

Tell me you still think the same thing now after that performance, I mean cmon man you're gameplay can't change so drastically...last 10 nd run rate of 2 pfft

 

[aditya123]

Again, the player makes his own career decisions and nobody can question him for his career choices. If the country's selection board and cricket board places importance on a player's reputation and picks them based on it, they are to blame. You can't blame a Sachin or a Dhoni for staying beyond a certain time when it is the selectors and the decision makers who should put emotion out of it and drop that player and pick a different one.

In Sachin's case, he didn't drag his career deep into a WC campaign. He retired at an innocuous time in ODI cricket, a year after we won the WC and allowed 3 years to the new guy to settle in.

 

[aditya123]

Yeah and if you have 6 overs with 5 wickets in hand, why the hell would you rotate the strike, why not hit away? Every team does the same in the end if they have wickets.

That is how Dhoni bats. He should`nt be in the side for his batting. This has nothing to do with Pakistan.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I am amazed at how much margin the top order gets compared to the finishers. It's insane. Dhoni went at 135 when the wicket was at it's most difficult and when the wicket was easier (not as easy when England was batting) the top guys took way too much time. England also bowled and fielded very well. India's weakness is it's 7th player. I keep going back to that point and it has nothing to do with Shankar or Jadhav but our template renders that position useless.

5 bowlers, Pandya & Dhoni along with 4 proper batters!

 

[Aalay]

5 bowlers, Pandya & Dhoni along with 4 proper batters!

I think you have gone mad because this is NEVER going to happen.

5 bowlers + Pandya is too long of a tail. I know Bhuvi can bat but the highest position I would have him bat is at 8. Anything higher than that is a recipe for disaster.

I know things didn't go according to the plan today but it's not a time to panic. I still feel the team we played today is likely to win us more matches. England batsmen have an amazing record against leg spinners. So it's just that we need to be a little flexible to include someone like Jadeja/Bhuvi if we are playing on a pitch like we did today.

 

[SaiSrini]

I think you have gone mad because this is NEVER going to happen.

5 bowlers + Pandya is too long of a tail. I know Bhuvi can bat but the highest position I would have him bat is at 8. Anything higher than that is a recipe for disaster.

I know things didn't go according to the plan today but it's not a time to panic. I still feel the team we played today is likely to win us more matches. England batsmen have an amazing record against leg spinners. So it's just that we need to be a little flexible to include someone like Jadeja/Bhuvi if we are playing on a pitch like we did today.

Not if one of the 5 bowlers is Jadeja. For @LiveLoveABD 's suggestion to work, the wristies have to be seperated and Jadeja should be the 2nd spinner. This way, the batting won't look too weak. Jadeja takes Jadhav's spot and Bhuvi takes a wristie's spot. Definitely better than the XI we fielded this game against England.

 

[Aalay]

Not if one of the 5 bowlers is Jadeja. For @LiveLoveABD 's suggestion to work, the wristies have to be seperated and Jadeja should be the 2nd spinner. This way, the batting won't look too weak. Jadeja takes Jadhav's spot and Bhuvi takes a wristie's spot. Definitely better than the XI we fielded this game against England.

As I said in my post, I am only separating the wristies if and only if we play on a surface like we did today. Also why would you want to bring in Jadeja when boundaries are as short as they were today, I would bring in Bhuvi (if fit) for Chahal if we are playing on a surface like we did today.

 

[SaiSrini]

As I said in my post, I am only separating the wristies if and only if we play on a surface like we did today. Also why would you want to bring in Jadeja when boundaries are as short as they were today, I would bring in Bhuvi (if fit) for Chahal if we are playing on a surface like we did today.

Sorry, my bad. I didn't notice that you had mentioned about it

 

[aditya123]

The problem for India is that Dhoni is an obvious misfit for the No.6/7 slot. If he plays he bats No.4 and has to no lower. Noone in the media has had the spine to call out Dhoni in the last 2 years. It has reached a stage where it is irretrievable.

Otherwise DK or Pant play as the keeper. My XI would be this:

Rohit
Rahul/Pant
Kohli
Pant/Rahul
Dhoni
Pandya
DK
Jadeja
Kuldeep
Shami
Bumrah

Jadeja for Kedar is a ridiculous choice. It weakens already weak bowling. I don`t know what the anchors on Aaj Tak smoke.

 

[hammadahmed88]

I hate to even engage in this kind of idiotic discourse but no, India did not "lose" or play without intent. That is absurd. The other team shows up to play too you know, and not to mention, they're very good as well. First of all, we don't even know yet whether it would be Pakistan or Bangladesh for that final spot if England were to lose. Bangladesh is more than capable of beating Pakistan, so that isn't determined yet. Secondly, why in the heck would India not want either Pakistan or Bangladesh to qualify for the semis. They're both weaker teams than England.

It's a disgrace to people like Kohli to even suggest something this moronic. Again, I hate to even talk about this. I think it stems from the "media". They're looking to create headlines. Cricket media everywhere in the world, for the most part (apart from a few credible and respected journalists), has really descended to a new low.