ICC Cricket World Cup - May/July 2019

[Rehan_24]

You my friend seem to be obsessed with the India-England fixture

You took the half quote actually and missed the point. I said at in that post-match here that Ind/Eng fixture result will be going to haunt India ahead in the World Cup, NZ got quite a morale-boosting victory from there on the field when the Top 3 was out, The middle order did survive but realize this that Indian middle and lower order needs a kind of revamp. It was only Jadeja's individual brilliance that played some part, otherwise, India could have been gone out on 100 runs.

See the point is when you are on a winning streak you have to take each game with as much focus as it is your last match and that is not for India only, this is a tip for any good team. I remember back in the 1999 World Cup, Pakistan was an unbeatable side. They won enough league matches that their semi-final spot was inevitable They knew they just had to win 1 game in Super Sixes and they will be qualifying for the semis, hence they didn't play against Bangladesh to full potential, the intent lack there, they lost the match, lost all the momentum and with that lost back to back matches. Final against Australia was a no different story when we knew Shane Warne was on a run and it had to happen i.e. The Collapose. This is my take with it, India got the same collapse but the different thing is Jadeja showed up some fight.

On a side note, feel sorry for MS the way he got out. Even if that run not won't happen. 10 balls 25 was way too much for MS against NZ fast bowling.

 

[Rehan_24]

Found a stat saying Kohli scored 7 in the 2011 WC Semi Final against PAK, 1 against us in the 2015 Semi Final and now 1 today. Average of 3.67
Thoughts?

Virat is a big match player and the best batsman in ODI format for sure. I think these stats have just happened to be the case. I don't think so He choked in 2015 and today. Those were just not his days. Against Aussies back in 2015, It was a 50/50 situation of that missed pull shot, here today It was just good genius bowling by Boult. It is not a promise that Virat will perform in every game. He has done enough good for his side in the WC as a captain.

PS: For India, I'd back Kohli to continue as captain and by the time we reach to 2023 World Cup Virat should definitely be a much mature captain as well as his performances can go even stronger.

 

[aditya123]

I have a lot to say but not the time to say that. Well played to the Kiwis! Go ahead and win this. To my side and Indian fans, the knockout rut shall end some day.

 

[SaiSrini]

Jadeja played a knock of a lifetime. Cant emphasize how brilliant an innings was that. He had a fairy tale game in all departments (fielding, bowling and batting). In just two matches this tournament, he out fielded everyone else in the entire tournament. To me, he deserved more chances earlier in the tournament.

And for Jadeja to play an innings like that, you've to give credit to Dhoni. It was a classic case of "having Dhoni on the other end helped Jadeja express himself and take on the aggressor role on the other end". Dhoni decided that Jaddu will hit and Dhoni will continue to anchor the game till the end like he is known to do. And it worked.

Cant fault much with India on this tournament. Even the middle order issue was not really an issue today because Dhoni and Jadeja took the game deep and where the reason why we didn't lose embarrassingly. It was just not meant to be for India this WC. Talks on social media about upcoming WC's using the IPL's playoff format as it rewards consistent teams. I am sure some will oppose it just because it comes from the IPL. But I would back it. It is just one extra game (right now we have 2 semis and a final; in the IPL playoff format, we have two playoffs, 1 Eliminator and a final). And more importantly it rewards the top teams of the league stage.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

• Expecting to score nearly every game and blaming him for the occasional game where he inevitably fails seems like cherrypicking to me.

I had the same attitude when I saw the score at 6/3 but as the match progressed I realised that we miss a good middle order

 

[Velocity]

You took the half quote actually and missed the point. I said at in that post-match here that Ind/Eng fixture result will be going to haunt India ahead in the World Cup, NZ got quite a morale-boosting victory from there on the field when the Top 3 was out, The middle order did survive but realize this that Indian middle and lower order needs a kind of revamp. It was only Jadeja's individual brilliance that played some part, otherwise, India could have been gone out on 100 runs.

See the point is when you are on a winning streak you have to take each game with as much focus as it is your last match and that is not for India only, this is a tip for any good team.

However, what's the link between the England match and this one today? What told you there was no focus in the player's during this match? Our middle order got starts today but couldn't convert them, same as it was in that England game. I really don't think going by your logic that there is any relation between the two matches discussed here. This game had absolutely nothing to do with what happened in the tournament during the group stage for India.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

I have discovered few issues with India

• We didn't have a settled batting line-up going into the WC so there was pressure on the players to perform at a particular spot
• KL Rahul was selected as a backup opener and just a week before the tournament you say that he is going to be our no.4 doesn't make sense at all
• We don't have ability to cope up with top order collapses and win the match from thereon
• We rely too much on our usual top 3 (Rohit, Dhawan and Kohli)
• KL Rahul despite doing well in the middle order opened and he was struggling there and we even when had an opener available in our squad in Mayank Agarwal so why not use him ? You had to be bold with this move
• The pitch and the conditions was meant to help fast bowlers and the best use is to get early wickets with the new ball. So Shami was required here
• Again we aren't prepared for the surprises on offer in a knockout game so it seems like we aren't game ready for such matches
• There was no point in holding Dhoni back till the run rate goes beyond 6 too, he had to get some time. Think we might not see him in the Indian team now so it's a bit of advantage the we don't need to make our lineup to accommodate someone and a disadvantage that there would be no one to soak pressure like him
• The biggest point- Sack Ravi Shastri
• Last thing I would like to say, continue with Kohli as Captain he is going a long way for sure.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Jadeja played a knock of a lifetime. Cant emphasize how brilliant an innings was that. He had a fairy tale game in all departments (fielding, bowling and batting). In just two matches this tournament, he out fielded everyone else in the entire tournament. To me, he deserved more chances earlier in the tournament.

And for Jadeja to play an innings like that, you've to give credit to Dhoni. It was a classic case of "having Dhoni on the other end helped Jadeja express himself and take on the aggressor role on the other end". Dhoni decided that Jaddu will hit and Dhoni will continue to anchor the game till the end like he is known to do. And it worked.

Cant fault much with India on this tournament. Even the middle order issue was not really an issue today because Dhoni and Jadeja took the game deep and where the reason why we didn't lose embarrassingly. It was just not meant to be for India this WC. Talks on social media about upcoming WC's using the IPL's playoff format as it rewards consistent teams. I am sure some will oppose it just because it comes from the IPL. But I would back it. It is just one extra game (right now we have 2 semis and a final; in the IPL playoff format, we have two playoffs, 1 Eliminator and a final). And more importantly it rewards the top teams of the league stage.

At last, I hear this. Jadeja was able to play with that freedom because of Dhoni!

We need to be winning tournaments like the Aussies were in 2000-2010. We have the team for it and I think the middle order fuc/< up right through to date was what sealed our fate. We literally had one weakness and it was exploited and exposed. The game was not lost at 5-3. It was lost when MSD didn't walk out to bat and stop the tap. It would have arrested the slide immediately and given India leverage to attack earlier with more wickets in hand. I am laughing out loud at the Kohli criticism over his knockout records because he batted like a god in the World T20 that was held in India on tough tracks in high pressure matches! But, he's a poor captain and we have lost series in SA, ENG and now this with sides that should have won. It won't happen, but we need Sharma to take over and a new coach. There is no cricketing logic to having Pandya bat ahead of MSD today. Zero.

And one last question- For all that talk of let's play the extra batsman for batting depth, I keep repeating- The extra batsman will give you extra 30-40 runs and win you that game once in a hundred games but that bowler will give you the option of 10 overs every single of those 100 games. We need to stop being a batting obsessed country and be more adaptive to realise our strengths and that has been our bowling lately. Shami sitting out was plain stupid, Kuldeep sitting and Chahal playing was also stupid and as I kept repeating, the extra batsman in DK did nothing compared to the extra bowler.

 

[Karachi]

New Zealand vs England final. This way we'll definitely have a champion that has never won a WC before. Australia in the final & Australia winning the final is just so monotonous.

 

[rishabh9627]

4 years for making a world cup team
and this is what we have on plate
Pathetic
Kl Rahul is suddenly made to bat at no.4 at a position which he has not experienced even in IPL
Then Shankar is tried, then pant is tried, then karthik is tried.
All failed
Two young and inexperienced players are made to play together in a tough situation and they throw their wicket away not even realising the importance of this semi final just bcoz they still have a lot of WCs to play but forgot that for some it might be their last
kedar jadhav whose bowling is not being used is allowed to play ahead of jadeja knowing that jadeja has proved fruitful in the past in england and has experience too.
And then your captain says in press conferences that we are fully prepared for the world cup
If this is the kind of preparation this team does in 4 years then only god knows what will happen in the next WC
People from selection committee should be sacked right away of which the first name on the list must be that drunkard Ravi Shastri
His decisions on field have literally no logic
they are purely instinctive
this is not what a coach does
virat has reiterated shastri's tactic so many times in interviews that they just allow their players to play freely and dont force them to change it
Bro if you really want to lead the side with this attitude then remember this that the young players will never mature
if you really want pant to play like this in the future too then u are the ones who will be blamed for his downfall
his body balance is awful while playing aggressive shots and the team management has still not worked on that and its been over an year now

 

[Deleted member 193590]

New Zealand vs England final. This way we'll definitely have a champion that has never won a WC before. Australia in the final & Australia winning the final is just so monotonous.

Yes don't want a team with cheating players in the final.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Yes don't want a team with cheating players in the final.

Wow, at least there's one reason to rejoice if England loses tomorrow even though I support them now for the WC.

 

[Deleted member 193590]

Wow, at least there's one reason to rejoice if England loses tomorrow even though I support them now for the WC.

Smith and warner should have never played again.I hate cheating in all forms of life.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Smith and warner should have never played again.I hate cheating in all forms of life.

You prefer blokes having pub fights?

 

[hammadahmed88]

I am honestly astonished at the "Kohli chokes" conversations. It's astounding. Leave it to subcontinent fans to criticize a player like Kohli. Amir gets a lot of flack in Pakistan's media as well. These kinds of people probably only read stat sheets and think sports is like fantasy leagues. Kohli is not only best batter in the world, arguably perhaps ever, he's India's backbone. They tend to go as he goes. Both Amir and Kohli have undoubtedly won games for their sides but these people always tend to have short term memory loss, or at least have a serious case of selective memory.

I'll reiterate, if Dhoni came in at 4, India might have had a much better shot. I imagine Shastri would have made that decision. Never been a huge fan of his methods. Come on BCCI, you have a star coach in the making in Rahul Dravid just right there with the under 19 team.