ICC Cricket World Cup - May/July 2019

[LiveLoveABD]

Mitch Marsh actually has pretty good stats in ODIs. His horrendous red ball skills actually ruin his reputation in limited overs cricket, where he’s actually a good player (just like his brother). Dare I say, he might be comparable to Stokes himself. He’s definitely a better option than Stoinis for the number 6 or 7 slogger that they seek, and is probably a better bowler too.

Stokes is mightily overrated in T20s, but his ODI game is fine, as he would probably be in the side as a pure batsman under most circumstances. His aggression and bowling has certainly fallen a bit since his Bristol incident for sure. In tests though, Stokes has no equal, barring Shakib.

Pandya’s definitely the better in T20s without any doubt, but I don’t see him playing the kind of innings that Stokes played today at the moment. He’s definitely got the potential to be a better batsman without any doubt, if he’s allowed to bat higher up the order. All that he lacks is the ability to rotate strike easily.

To be honest with you, if you check the previous few Ashes threads, you'll see that I've always been a Mitch Marsh fan. I think the Aussies have just not given him a proper run.

Pandya was enroute to something miraculously special in the CT final. I think in the years to come, you'll see Pandya do some freakish things.

I think Stokes is quality overall, even T20's but there's no doubt he is incredibly rusty with his hitting at the moment. Cricketers like him (Yuvraj Singh) are extremely mercurial. They can be sleeping giants and in a slumber for a while but they are big occasion cricketers and once they wake up, they can single handedly win tournaments. That catch, might have woken him up and no matter who says what, the Stokes innings today was not 80% as good as he can play. I'm a process person and at this juncture, I will still say it was a tactical error and that Buttler should have batted ahead of him!

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Faf very nearly joined county cricket as a Kolpak player before breaking into the national team due to the lack of opportunities he received, until AbD intervened and convinced him that his chance was around the corner, reminding him of national duty if I’m right. I think it’s time Faf returned the favor

AMEN!

I'd like to say something about the British people here though. Their side comprises of blokes more from foreign lineage than their own and I think instead of them being told of this as some sort of negative, their culture and acceptance of people of diverse cultures and ethnicity needs to lauded. I doff my hat off to them.

On the other hand, we have a cricketer, perhaps the greatest limited overs batsman of all time refusing to play for his country because he's fed up of the politics and 'colour/race' determining who should and shouldn't play. And this isn't just a bloke swimming in $ with no sense of patriotism. He's a hardcore Saffer who loves his country and fiercely protective of his heritage.

 

[Jalen]

Cheering Asif Ali tomorrow! I don't care much about anything else. On a human level, I just feel for him. Hope he makes a ton. I don't know why I bet vCash on WI![DOUBLEPOST=1559235777][/DOUBLEPOST]

Mate, we were talking about Hardik Pandya here. Not Mitchell Marsh![DOUBLEPOST=1559235887][/DOUBLEPOST]Tomorrow is going to be the most mental match of this tournament. Both teams are capable of absolutely anything.

Funny because Mitchell Marsh's stats are pretty good in ODI cricket. I also like how you have failed to see my point on Pandya being a slogger with no proper technique and being unable to hit anyone over 140kph

 

[Jalen]

Funny because Mitchell Marsh's stats are pretty good in ODI cricket. I also like how you have failed to see my point on Pandya being a slogger with no proper technique and being unable to hit anyone over 140kph

Shakib Al Hasan and Rashid Khan beg to differ. He had a brilliant game today, when on song he bats, fields and bowls brilliantly but he is not the BEST ALL ROUNDER. He has more poor days when compared to his good days. An economy of 6.15 with a bowling average of 42 is not the best. He is good, no denying that, but he is not the best all rounder in the world.

might have over exaggerated Stokes in that case but come on, you cannot compare Stokes, an experienced allrounder in all forms of the game to a no technique t20 slogger. Even someone like Jason Holder has made a mark in international cricket and I would rate him above Pandya. Being able to wack players around in IPL and have one good innings in a CT Final doesn't not come close to being one of the best fast bowling allrounder.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Funny because Mitchell Marsh's stats are pretty good in ODI cricket. I also like how you have failed to see my point on Pandya being a slogger with no proper technique and being unable to hit anyone over 140kph

Have you heard of this bloke called MS Dhoni? He has no technique and it's the most overrated thing in sport. And it's also just your opinion that Pandya can't play 140+. I think he certainly can. In the Indian team, it's Pandya's job to finish an innings. He can't bat at number 4 to prove a point to you or me. Considering the role they have, they're both doing a good job for their respective sides. You're the only claiming your opinion as fact. Not me. Might be a decent idea to drop the bigotry and actually take a look at the way Pandya has developed in the last 2-3 years?

 

[SaiSrini]

Is this the first time in the last few decades that SA truly look like a team that won't make it far? Previously they've looked title worthy until they fluffed things up. But this time despite the presence of superb bowlers like Rababa and Ngidi, their batting makes them look like they wont probably make it to the final four. I hope I am wrong because SA is one team that I have a soft corner for and whom I wont mind winning the WC apart from India.

 

[Bevab]

Is this the first time in the last few decades that SA truly look like a team that won't make it far? Previously they've looked title worthy until they fluffed things up. But this time despite the presence of superb bowlers like Rababa and Ngidi, their batting makes them look like they wont probably make it to the final four. I hope I am wrong because SA is one team that I have a soft corner for and whom I wont mind winning the WC apart from India.

I still think they’re a good side, they do have arguably the best bowling lineup in the tournament. But they do need to ring up some changes though...

• Get Steyn fit ASAP, the team relies on him being the strike bowler with the new ball and not having him means lesser overs for Tahir/Rabada in the middle overs where they’re highly effective. If he’s not fit for the next game, bring Shamsi in, which would allow Faf to attack with Tahir in the powerplay without losing valuable overs of spin in the middle phase.
• Bring Miller in, preferably in place of Duminy given that Markram can roll his arm for a few overs if needed already. And given Miller’s poor recent form, make him bat at 4 (or even 3 if the openers bat for a while) for the next fixture versus Bangladesh. Give him time on the pitch to construct an innings, then let him go big. I’ve always felt that they’ve usually let Miller bat when it’s too late in ODIs. Miller’s the only player apart from de Kock who could be aggressive from ball 1 in this team, and he needs to be in the lineup, receiving a couple of opportunities at the very least to regain his form by allowing him to bat for a longer period of time than he usually gets. An inform Miller could really change the dynamic of this batting lineup.
• Today’s defeat was largely due to unnecessary slogging by most of the batsmen. de Kock in particular didn’t even need to go big for his dismissal, given that they plundered over 25 runs over the last two overs prior to that. They might need to take a leaf out of India’s playbook and realize that they’ve got the bowling lineup and a tactically astute captain which could result in defending/creating par scores on most days.
• This is the same team that won a series versus an Australian side with their three premier test bowlers on Aussie grounds. Given that Amla seems to have regained some form during the warmup matches, this batting lineup has only grown stronger. I would still back them versus the Aussies, assuming their players stay in form.

 

[CerealKiller]

Pandya was enroute to something miraculously special in the CT final.

He faced mostly part-time and inexperienced spinners in that innings (Zaman, Shadab). Only one four off pace bowling.

 

[Helpman]

I still think they’re a good side, they do have arguably the best bowling lineup in the tournament. But they do need to ring up some changes though...

• Get Steyn fit ASAP, the team relies on him being the strike bowler with the new ball and not having him means lesser overs for Tahir/Rabada in the middle overs where they’re highly effective. If he’s not fit for the next game, bring Shamsi in, which would allow Faf to attack with Tahir in the powerplay without losing valuable overs of spin in the middle phase.
• Bring Miller in, preferably in place of Duminy given that Markram can roll his arm for a few overs if needed already. And given Miller’s poor recent form, make him bat at 4 (or even 3 if the openers bat for a while) for the next fixture versus Bangladesh. Give him time on the pitch to construct an innings, then let him go big. I’ve always felt that they’ve usually let Miller bat when it’s too late in ODIs. Miller’s the only player apart from de Kock who could be aggressive from ball 1 in this team, and he needs to be in the lineup, receiving a couple of opportunities at the very least to regain his form by allowing him to bat for a longer period of time than he usually gets. An inform Miller could really change the dynamic of this batting lineup.
• Today’s defeat was largely due to unnecessary slogging by most of the batsmen. de Kock in particular didn’t even need to go big for his dismissal, given that they plundered over 25 runs over the last two overs prior to that. They might need to take a leaf out of India’s playbook and realize that they’ve got the bowling lineup and a tactically astute captain which could result in defending/creating par scores on most days.
• This is the same team that won a series versus an Australian side with their three premier test bowlers on Aussie grounds. Given that Amla seems to have regained some form during the warmup matches, this batting lineup has only grown stronger. I would still back them versus the Aussies, assuming their players stay in form.

This guy gets it. 100% agree with you, this team can still do amazing things in this world cup. They needed a good start chasing that score (didn't get it due to Amla's injury) and I cant for the life of me understand why Markram came in ahead of du Plessis!

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

He faced mostly part-time and inexperienced spinners in that innings (Zaman, Shadab). Only one four off pace bowling.

But doesn't take away the fact that Hardik's innings was a very good innings especially when he too was inexperienced. When he played that innings his team was in bizarre situation so it is probably a special innings in the context of that match.[DOUBLEPOST=1559283838][/DOUBLEPOST]

Pandya being a slogger with no proper technique and being unable to hit anyone over 140kph

Don't know from where you are coming from but I have seen him strike Kagiso Rabada with ease. Anyone who has followed Hardik Pandya's career especially last 5 months wouldn't come up with this statement.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

He faced mostly part-time and inexperienced spinners in that innings (Zaman, Shadab). Only one four off pace bowling.

Tala, you need to see the way he has evolved between then and now. I'm not here making claims that he can play seam & swing on a green top in a red ball format. But, in the last couple of years he's clattered practically any type of bowler at the death at will. I'm also not claiming that he can hit 360 degrees or is a very versatile bat, but he has devised something that works for him and it seems to be coming off quite consistently.

I will again say this- This is a strict white ball debate and a strict current form debate. At this present moment, Pandya is a better bowler than Stokes and a better batsman as well. I know what Stokes did yesterday with that catch was the stuff of dreams but Pandya is every bit as good in the field. And, I will stand my ground that the Stokes innings yesterday was 70% of what Stokes is capable of. After Bristol, his batting (in particular his ball striking) has not been as good as it was. It's a matter of time though. It requires one over for a bloke like Stokes to get back in the swing of it. And yes, I am adamant that a 100% Stokes and a 100% Pandya are equals.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Shoaib Malik and Asif Ali on the bench and Hafeez and Haris Sohail playing? Good luck Pakistan!!!

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I would have picked this side in this batting order

Imam
Fakhar
Babar
Sarfaraz
Shoaib Malik
Asif Ali
Shadab
Imad
Wahab
Amir
Hasan Ali

 

[Alexei.]

Not playing Asif Ali is gonna cost Pakistan, Haris, Imam, Babar, Sarfraz are not straight six players.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Hafeez wouldn't walk into any other team in this World Cup bar Sri Lanka. He makes on average a slowish 30-40 and will bowl 6 overs for 30 odd with the occasional wicket. Just doesn't deserve to be taking the field for such a cricket rich country!!