ICC Super Series

[Sando]

Rubbish one of their big failures in the ODIs was their running between the wickets. Batting is a team game not an individuals game, unless your name is Jacques Kallis/

Run outs in ODI's!?!?! I've never heard of such a thing! Perhaps Ponting and Martyn need to spend more time in the middle together. Might have prevented them from ending up at the same end of the pitch in that second match!

 

[m_vaughan]

I will still back a one-off test match and 3 ODIs between the top two teams in the respective standings table, and with the matches being held in a neutral venue.

 

[ajay2k5]

Rubbish one of their big failures in the ODIs was their running between the wickets. Batting is a team game not an individuals game, unless your name is Jacques Kallis/

How many run outs in the test? If I recall there was maybe 1, so not a big deal there. Also how on earth is batting a team game? So we'll start seeing 11 guys all holding one big massive bat now will we?

 

[angryangy]

How many run outs in the test? If I recall there was maybe 1, so not a big deal there. Also how on earth is batting a team game? So we'll start seeing 11 guys all holding one big massive bat now will we?

10. There needs to be one guy down the other end.

 

[ajay2k5]

10. There needs to be one guy down the other end.

Oh yeah, my bad.

World class batsman are good because of their ability to be able to pick a ball up early and chose the right shot and time it etc. So what does that have to do with the rest of the team? Nothing, thats what.

 

[Liam Williams]

I will still back a one-off test match and 3 ODIs between the top two teams in the respective standings table, and with the matches being held in a neutral venue.

Me too.

Oh yeah, my bad.

World class batsman are good because of their ability to be able to pick a ball up early and chose the right shot and time it etc. So what does that have to do with the rest of the team? Nothing, thats what.

One batsman will never win a match on his own. He needs at least one guy to stick with him.

 

[Sureshot]

How many run outs in the test? If I recall there was maybe 1, so not a big deal there. Also how on earth is batting a team game? So we'll start seeing 11 guys all holding one big massive bat now will we?

Australia are a good cricket team because they've evolved over nearly a decade. And batting is a team game, you'll quite often hear the coaches/commentators saying that the team needs to bat together to win this game. Partnerships are a huge part of cricket both batting and bowling. The World Xi weren't a team.

 

[angryangy]

Australia are a good cricket team because they've evolved over nearly a decade. And batting is a team game, you'll quite often hear the coaches/commentators saying that the team needs to bat together to win this game. Partnerships are a huge part of cricket both batting and bowling. The World Xi weren't a team.

It took a lot longer than a decade to get this current team to look the part.

Martyn, Warne, McGrath, Langer and Hayden played their first Tests well over a decade ago. Steve Waugh, who became recognised as the backbone of the team's successes, only retired a couple of years ago, his first Test was back in 1985. Good, even great players come and go. Such that in most teams that take the field, there's always a few who haven't played all that many games together.

The 70s World XI version is proof enough for me that the concept itself does not prevent the players from performing as a team.

 

[aussie1st]

Australia are a good cricket team because they've evolved over nearly a decade. And batting is a team game, you'll quite often hear the coaches/commentators saying that the team needs to bat together to win this game. Partnerships are a huge part of cricket both batting and bowling. The World Xi weren't a team.

Batting is partly reliant on team work. But if you can't dig out a yorker then obviously you aren't going to go well. Its all about form. Had form players been playing, then team work for batting would bearly get a mention.

And its not like its impossible for the World side to bat well together. In the tsunami match Ponting got a 100, the rest got good scores and they scored 300+. Why? Cause form players were picked.

Partnership happen if you are in form thus you will be staying at the crease and forming a partnership.

 

[irottev]

Yeah, that sounds good in theory, but how do you tell who is "in form" and who is just a "big hitting celebrity"?

2005 Tests to date

Greame Smith 900 runs @ 60.00
Virender Sehwag 729 runs @ 72.90
Rahul Dravid 531 runs @ 59.00
Brian Lara 765 runs @ 69.55
Jacques Kallis 979 runs @ 81.58
Inzamam-ul-Haq 569 runs @ 71.13
Flintoff 585 runs @ 34.41

It can only work if the team is allowed opportunities to get match practice. You can't expect players to carry pristine form from continent to continent without keeping their arms warm.

Thats for the test, thats fine. Im speaking about the ODI's mainly. I guess this showed it doesn't make a difference though.

Oram is on the list. Hes just come back from injury and isn't at his best yet so those rankings don't mean much.

For the ODI's the team was all wrong. The test team is better but not the best.

ODI's

Kallis's batting average in 2005 has been 27.25
Lara's batting average in 2005 has been 29.20
Flintoff's is 30.30 (very acceptable for an allrounder)
Sehwag: 30.40
Sangakara 34.61 (very acceptable for a wicket keeper and he proved his worth anyhow)
Tendulker 24.16
Afridi 28.55

Dravid has a decent average above 35 although he did poorly. Gayles is alright 33.1 and he did good in that one innings. Vettori who comes in at 10 has a higher average this year then all the above batsmen minus Sangakara and is pretty much level with Flintoff. Pietersen, 3rd on the list. Good selection although he diddn't perform.

http://nz.cricinfo.com/db/STATS/BY_CALENDAR/2000S/2005/ODI_BAT_HIGHEST_AVS_2005.html

They diddn't select in-form batsmen did they?

Now even worse the bowling attack they selected.

Ntini 21.48, now why the hell diddn't he play from the start over either of these two:

Akhtar 46.16
Pollock 36.00

The spinners were good so we won't bother going into them.

 

[nightprowler10]

I will still back a one-off test match and 3 ODIs between the top two teams in the respective standings table, and with the matches being held in a neutral venue.

I gotta be honest, I'm really liking the idea.

 

[angryangy]

Batting is partly reliant on team work. But if you can't dig out a yorker then obviously you aren't going to go well. Its all about form. Had form players been playing, then team work for batting would bearly get a mention.

And its not like its impossible for the World side to bat well together. In the tsunami match Ponting got a 100, the rest got good scores and they scored 300+. Why? Cause form players were picked.

Partnership happen if you are in form thus you will be staying at the crease and forming a partnership.

Form is bs. You can bollocks a series one minute and then go score consecutive hundreds in the next. These players for the most part weren't "out of form" they were rusty because they lacked match fitness. If it takes just 2 or 3 weeks to lose all your previously acquired form, then you will never pick a form team for a new series.

 

[tsyrmas]

Mainly because they're going to have to retire sometime and I can't see Aus bowling many sides out cheaply once they do.

which is why they have brought Tait and Watson in, because now they can use thir experience to teach these guys, and when they retire, they can pick up from where we left off. Cricket Australia are the best national cricketing community in the worl, i think they would know what their doing and have planned for it.

 

[nightprowler10]

which is why they have brought Tait and Watson in, because now they can use thir experience to teach these guys, and when they retire, they can pick up from where we left off. Cricket Australia are the best national cricketing community in the worl, i think they would know what their doing and have planned for it.

You're right. Just when I thought things will be easier for the rest of the World after 2007 WC, you see newcomers like Tait, Watson, etc. pulling this stuff on the World XI. Damn you Aussies!!!

 

[tsyrmas]

That's a bit of a generalisation. It's a bit like saying 'Australia = absolute shite against swing bowling'; oh, hold on...


(I'll probably get another negative rep now saying 'shut up you pom', eh, DS 4 Life?: ).

need i remind you that engand ARE terrible at playing spin? i do believe thats why he said it.