India in Australia

[karnog]

I think India score around 400-450 with a lead of 50-100. Their batting is strong and lets not forget that Sachin, Laxman and Dravid can dump on brett lee. I think Clarke will be important. He's the Mcgrath style bowler. Lee is inconsistent. He bowls 3-4 good bowls and 2 terrible deliveries. Sangakara exposed it in the 2nd test match and SL came close (100 short when Aus had a lead of 500).

Has anyone seen Mark Nicholas so happy? He so wants Aus to lose.

 

[jordox]

I think India score around 400-450 with a lead of 50-100. Their batting is strong and lets not forget that Sachin, Laxman and Dravid can sh*t on brett lee. I think Clarke will be important. He's the Mcgrath style bowler. Lee is inconsistent. He bowls 3-4 good bowls and 2 terrible deliveries. Sangakara exposed it in the 2nd test match and SL came close (100 short when Aus had a lead of 500).

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh god.. thats two comments in two days that I've seen on here that are just plain ludicrous.

Anyone who has seen Brett Lee bowl since McGrath left the team both in ODI and Test knows you're wrong. His matured incredibley, and you couldn't be further from the truth, his more consistent than most bowlers in the world today.

 

[karnog]

^^hold it mate. Lee has performed against a struggling NZ batting side and a hobbling SL line-up without its top batsman. I suggest you watch a replay of the 2nd test against SL and truly see Brett Lee's consistency. Yes against mediocre batting attacks Lee is consistent. Let him play class. He'll struggle. India's batting is pure class thats is actually better than the AUs batting attack. What india have lacked is a good bowling attack. Today's effort has surprised everyone.

 

[jordox]

^^hold it mate. Lee has performed against a struggling NZ batting side and a hobbling SL line-up without its top batsman. I suggest you watch a replay of the 2nd test against SL and truly see Brett Lee's consistency. Yes against mediocre batting attacks Lee is consistent. Let him play class. He'll struggle. India's batting is pure class thats is actually better than the AUs batting attack. What india have lacked is a good bowling attack. Today's effort has surprised everyone.

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Brett Lee won man of the match both games, and man of the series. That means he performed the best out of all the bowlers in that series. So if you're going to say his inconsistent and isn't the best paceman in the world I better not get your attention on Stuart Clark, Chaminda Vaas, Lasith Malinga, Mitchell Johnson, ect because they ALL performed miles worse than Lee...

Yet his the one India will smack around the park?

India's batting lineup is better than Australia's? UHHH MY GOD.

Jaffer v Jaques=Jaques
Dravid v Hayden=Hayden
Ponting v Laxman=Ponting
Hussey v Tendulkar=I'd rather Hussey at this point in time, but I'll give you Tendulkar.
Clarke v Ganguly=Depends, Ganguly is very hot and cold. But on form, Ganguly.
Symonds v Yuvraj Singh=About even, matter of preference.

Compare those two lists then come back and say that India are more 'classy'.

 

[smssia0112]

I don't rate Brett Lee as a world class bowler at all, but even I am noticing his newfound consistency. On top of that, he plays very well against India, and he also likes the MCG. He will do well, as will Johnson, India proved that they are vulnerable against left arm pace bowling, Allan Wise destroyed them, so Mitchell Johnson will be one to watch.

Personally I reckon that Clark, Lee and Johnson will do well, but Hogg will be accounted for fairly easily.

Yes against mediocre batting attacks Lee is consistent. Let him play class. He'll struggle. India's batting is pure class thats is actually better than the AUs batting attack. What india have lacked is a good bowling attack. Today's effort has surprised everyone.

Barely a word of remote truth in that paragraph. Like I just said, Lee plays some of his best cricket against India.

 

[irottev]

Brett Lee has been totally different this season. Trust me, he is very consistent. Much more accurate and he's getting more movement.

I'm kinda looking forward to him taking some prize scalps to prove Mr karnog wrong. I also can't believe how much Hogg is getting written off. Kumble has taken 5 wickets. Sure, Hoggy isn't the same kind of bowler or in the same class, but he'll do fine I reckon. He'll be a little bit different to what they're useful. There is defiantly a little bit in it for the spinners already. Every test side should have a spinner in my opinion. You need that option. Australia are great players of spin, but India are using two spinners. ust look at how they decimated Murili. India may stumble with Hogg a little too.

I think the Aussies did an ok job today. India are fighting well though. This will probably be one of the better test series for a long time. The Sri Lankan one was one way traffic really.

And also, Australia's batting line up is better then India's in my opinion, but it's without doubt India's strength.

 

[jordox]

Brett Lee has been totally different this season. Trust me, he is very consistent. Much more accurate and he's getting more movement.

I'm kinda looking forward to him taking some prize scalps to prove Mr karnog wrong. I also can't believe how much Hogg is getting written off. Kumble has taken 5 wickets. Sure, Hoggy isn't the same kind of bowler or in the same class, but he'll do fine I reckon. He'll be a little bit different to what they're useful. There is defiantly a little bit in it for the spinners already. Every test side should have a spinner in my opinion. You need that option. Australia are great players of spin, but India are using two spinners. ust look at how they decimated Murili. India may stumble with Hogg a little too.

I think the Aussies did an ok job today. India are fighting well though. This will probably be one of the better test series for a long time. The Sri Lankan one was one way traffic really.

And also, Australia's batting line up is better then India's in my opinion, but it's without doubt India's strength.

Thankyou, Irottev! :hpraise :hpraise :hpraise

 

[smssia0112]

Brett Lee has been totally different this season. Trust me, he is very consistent. Much more accurate and he's getting more movement.

I'm kinda looking forward to him taking some prize scalps to prove Mr karnog wrong. I also can't believe how much Hogg is getting written off. Kumble has taken 5 wickets. Sure, Hoggy isn't the same kind of bowler or in the same class, but he'll do fine I reckon. He'll be a little bit different to what they're useful. There is defiantly a little bit in it for the spinners already. Every test side should have a spinner in my opinion. You need that option. Australia are great players of spin, but India are using two spinners. ust look at how they decimated Murili. India may stumble with Hogg a little too.

I think the Aussies did an ok job today. India are fighting well though. This will probably be one of the better test series for a long time. The Sri Lankan one was one way traffic really.

And also, Australia's batting line up is better then India's in my opinion, but it's without doubt India's strength.

Hogg has a first class avergae of 39, and if you, like me, follow domestic ricket you'll know that he is a one day specialist in the middle of a purple patch.

In all honesty, he's not even the best first class spinner at the moment, Bryce McGain is in better form.

 

[Harrypotter_fan]

Brett Lee has been totally different this season. Trust me, he is very consistent. Much more accurate and he's getting more movement.

I'm kinda looking forward to him taking some prize scalps to prove Mr karnog wrong. I also can't believe how much Hogg is getting written off. Kumble has taken 5 wickets. Sure, Hoggy isn't the same kind of bowler or in the same class, but he'll do fine I reckon. He'll be a little bit different to what they're useful. There is defiantly a little bit in it for the spinners already. Every test side should have a spinner in my opinion. You need that option. Australia are great players of spin, but India are using two spinners. ust look at how they decimated Murili. India may stumble with Hogg a little too.

I think the Aussies did an ok job today. India are fighting well though. This will probably be one of the better test series for a long time. The Sri Lankan one was one way traffic really.

And also, Australia's batting line up is better then India's in my opinion, but it's without doubt India's strength.

1. Australia are good but not great players of spin.
2. Indian batting lineup is a touch better than Aussie one.

All in all a pretty good day for India. Even though India didn't get wickets in the 1st session there were quite a few misses and edges. Australia isn't comfortable playing against Kumble. There is too much aggression in Symonds for test cricket. Zaheer bowled almost an unplayable ball to get rid of Ponting. I hope that people who said that Indian bowling was crap have got their answer. Good luck to the Indians on day 2. This looks to be an entertaining series, and certainly not 4-0 for the Aussies.

 

[icyman]

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Brett Lee won man of the match both games, and man of the series. That means he performed the best out of all the bowlers in that series. So if you're going to say his inconsistent and isn't the best paceman in the world I better not get your attention on Stuart Clark, Chaminda Vaas, Lasith Malinga, Mitchell Johnson, ect because they ALL performed miles worse than Lee...

Yet his the one India will smack around the park?

India's batting lineup is better than Australia's? UHHH MY GOD.

Jaffer v Jaques=Jaques
Dravid v Hayden=Hayden
Ponting v Laxman=Ponting
Hussey v Tendulkar=I'd rather Hussey at this point in time, but I'll give you Tendulkar.
Clarke v Ganguly=Depends, Ganguly is very hot and cold. But on form, Ganguly.
Symonds v Yuvraj Singh=About even, matter of preference.

Compare those two lists then come back and say that India are more 'classy'.

How come Jacques,Ponting ,Hussey fail today then ?

And since you are busy comparing,might I ask you-the basis on which this is being done ?

 

[Harrypotter_fan]

And,
Dravid > Hayden in tests anyday.

 

[karnog]

Alright. B Lee has been an absolute god at times but when under pressure i still see the old brett lee. Give him a sniff and India will fall. Don't give him a sniff and well Lee will be out of the attack. I'll give you the game against NZ in the first ODI: the game where Mccullum cashed in. In his openning spell against Mccullum B Lee looked ordinary. Even against How Brett Lee couldn't put the ball in the right places. The 2nd spell of Tait turned it around for Australia in that game where he picked i believe How and Styris changing the game completely. Lee's first 5 went for 30 (he got vincent). His final 5 went for 18 with another wicket, after Tait's comeback and Hogg's removal of Mcculum. Compare that to his unbelievable spell in Sydney (pity he only bowled like 4-5 overs). That to me is not consistency.

EDIT: Jacques v Jaffer. Tell me when Jacques scores a double ton against SA in SA. Jaffer by far because most of his runs are from overseas. And yes India are better than Australia in their batting attack. See above.

EDIT 2: Hogg has a chance after watching Kumble. I wouldn't write him off yet. Aus5892 are you serious. I believe Ian Chappel, Sanjay Mandrekar and the rest of the cricinfo team believed India did not have the attack to knock off even 10 wickets. This has always been the case. That and their fielding. As for Brett Lee we'll see. He's struggled against a top class innings and has required other bowlers (Tait, Clarke and Johnson) to remove that batsman. The only exception was Attapattu when he scored 80 or something in the second innings. He got Jawardena on 104 as the last wicket of the innings.

 

[manee]

Good start for India and although I remain adament that a pacer should have played instead of Harbhajan, India have all bowled well. I only watched the first 15 overs before dosing off and saw that this is a very slow pitch and perhaps Ishant/Pankaj would have struggled on such a slow, low wicket. That being said, be it the soil or whatever, there is a tinge of life in the pitch and the new ball did swing around a bit.

This really is the second coming of Anil Kumble. A little while ago, he was a bit unimpressive and unpenetrative but he has now got that back with the captaincy (which did not seem to go his way in the early overs). Let's hope that India can polish off Stuart Clark/Mitchell Johnson in the morning and get a first innings lead.

 

[smssia0112]

Jaffer v Jaques=Jaques
Dravid v Hayden=Hayden
Ponting v Laxman=Ponting
Hussey v Tendulkar=I'd rather Hussey at this point in time, but I'll give you Tendulkar.
Clarke v Ganguly=Depends, Ganguly is very hot and cold. But on form, Ganguly.
Symonds v Yuvraj Singh=About even, matter of preference.

Compare those two lists then come back and say that India are more 'classy'.

This is my indication of the order I would pick those batsmen:

1. Ponting
2. Hussey
3. Tendulkar
4. Hayden
5. Dravid
6. Clarke
7. Ganguly
8. Laxman
9. Jaques
10. Yuvraj Singh
11. Jaffer
12. Symonds

Make of it what you will, but don't tell me that the Aussie lineup is worse than India's. Just because Ponting and Hussey failed today does not make the Aussie batsmen suddenly worse.

Alright. B Lee has been an absolute god at times but when under pressure i still see the old brett lee. Give him a sniff and India will fall. Don't give him a sniff and well Lee will be out of the attack. I'll give you the game against NZ in the first ODI: the game where Mccullum cashed in. In his openning spell against Mccullum B Lee looked ordinary. Even against How Brett Lee couldn't put the ball in the right places. The 2nd spell of Tait turned it around for Australia in that game where he picked i believe How and Styris changing the game completely. Lee's first 5 went for 30 (he got vincent). His final 5 went for 18 with another wicket, after Tait's comeback and Hogg's removal of Mcculum. Compare that to his unbelievable spell in Sydney (pity he only bowled like 4-5 overs). That to me is not consistency.

EDIT: Jacques v Jaffer. Tell me when Jacques scores a double ton against SA in SA. Jaffer by far because most of his runs are from overseas. And yes India are better than Australia in their batting attack. See above.

EDIT 2: Hogg has a chance after watching Kumble. I wouldn't write him off yet. Aus5892 are you serious. I believe Ian Chappel, Sanjay Mandrekar and the rest of the cricinfo team believed India did not have the attack to knock off even 10 wickets. This has always been the case. That and their fielding. As for Brett Lee we'll see. He's struggled against a top class innings and has required other bowlers (Tait, Clarke and Johnson) to remove that batsman. The only exception was Attapattu when he scored 80 or something in the second innings. He got Jawardena on 104 as the last wicket of the innings.

1. Wait until Jaques has been to South Africa before you question whether he can do that.

2. I'm not exactly sure what you are questioning of my post. That Hogg isn't good enough? See below. That Lee is consistent and is good against India? Also see below.

3. You obviously don't know too much about Australian cricket talking like that, so my suggestion is to watch some more and stop bluffing.

 

[karnog]

1. Wait until Jaques has been to South Africa before you question whether he can do that.

2. I'm not exactly sure what you are questioning of my post. That Hogg isn't good enough? See below. That Lee is consistent and is good against India? Also see below.

3. You obviously don't know too much about Australian cricket talking like that, so my suggestion is to watch some more and stop bluffing.

1. Was referring to Jacques vs Jaffer and Jaffer made 116 in SA and 212 in WI. If Jacques can do that in the sub-continent (equivalent to Jaffer's feat) then i'd be ready to say that Jacques is almost as good or greater than Jaffer. Till then Jaffer> Jacques.

2. That India don't have the bowling attack. You said there wasn't one utter truth in my paragraph.

3. As for this comment. That ain't garbage or as you call it "bluffing". As you don't believe me lets talk about the 3rd ODI against NZ. Brett Lee removed the openners in quick succession in his first spell without leaking too much runs. However when Styris was going Lee and Hogg were the men who suffered. Lee at the end was 9 overs 3 for 49. Considering he was after just 5overs providing 2 an over is some wacking. I'm not saying Lee has been crap. I'm saying he hasn't been as consistent as people have made him out to be. Their saying he has taken what Mcgrath has done. I do not believe that. He has bowled well. He's a threat. But bloody hell. I believe he won't perform as well as he has before and judging by his recent history will go for a few if someone picks up their pace.