India in South Africa

[hindustani]

yeah pathan shouldnt play but people like sehwag tendulkar and jaffer should. yeah i guess people averaging less than 10 are good players in india.

so i guess even gangulys return wasnt good. that was against a second string south africa so i guess ganguly sucks too i guess.

 

[sohum]

Allthough i agree that pathan should not play ,but his batting was good he is not scared to pull and get in line of the fast bowlers like our specialist batsman and he has the guts.the south african A attack was better than the current south african in terms of speed.

As the ODI series showed, speed is hardly the greatest of our concerns. The faster it is bowled, the faster it goes to the boundary. The very reason that those guys are in the Rest of South Africa team is that they don't have the accuracy to match the speed, in most cases.

Sehwag needs to come good in test cricket, and that means he has to last more than 5 overs. I feel if he doesn't get out in the first few overs, he usually settles down long enough to have a few lucky escapes and get a few runs on the board. I would go in with Jaffer to start with, because we need to play out the new ball too, not just get runs.

yeah pathan shouldnt play but people like sehwag tendulkar and jaffer should. yeah i guess people averaging less than 10 are good players in india.

Tendulkar averages 55, Sehwag averages 52 and Jaffer averages 34. I don't know how you got an average of less than 10 from there. The fact of the matter is that you are judging that Pathan is a better batsmen than all of those guys by ONE match.

so i guess even gangulys return wasnt good. that was against a second string south africa so i guess ganguly sucks too i guess.

Here's a tissue to wipe off your sarcasm. Ganguly's been out of the side for a while, unlike Pathan who's been in the side and has been doing badly meticulously. Ganguly was brought back into the team to be drafted into the XI, whereas are pace 'battery' were brought in to show Pathan his last straw.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

IF you are taking Ganguly's 83 runs as good batting, then I agree, Pathan's 141 runs in the match should be considered a good performance too.
However:
A) Dada is a batsman, who is experienced. Dropped for a long time, out of form, pressure situation.
B) Pathan is a bowler bowling crap, and an inexperienced bat who won't score much in the real tests. In and out of the team, batting and bowling quite a bit recently, no pressure on him as he wasn't expected to score runs.

 

[sohum]

Not to mention the fact that the South African bowlers will know to keep it just outside off stump to Pathan, and not pitch it halfway down the pitch or up to him all the time.

 

[Hooper]

Yeah Pathan is not a batsmen...but He is no Glenn McGrath

 

[Cricketman]

you're right, Pathan is a swing bowler, not a seam bowler. Hitting the deck wont' be of great help to him. It will help Zaheer, definitely.

But Pathan of 2004 was a seam bowler. He would clock 140 and still move it.

IF you are taking Ganguly's 83 runs as good batting, then I agree, Pathan's 141 runs in the match should be considered a good performance too.
However:
A) Dada is a batsman, who is experienced. Dropped for a long time, out of form, pressure situation.
B) Pathan is a bowler bowling crap, and an inexperienced bat who won't score much in the real tests. In and out of the team, batting and bowling quite a bit recently, no pressure on him as he wasn't expected to score runs.

i would still have Irfan in my team. i still think he has the potential.

 

[Hooper]

Potential yes...But sometimes yuo need to drop a player to make him realize that he needs to improve

 

[cricket_lover]

But Pathan of 2004 was a seam bowler. He would clock 140 and still move it.

i would still have Irfan in my team. i still think he has the potential.

He does, but even in 2004, Pathan was a swing bowler. He was just faster, doesn't mean he hits the deck regular.

Whatever the team selection is, it'll be very interesting.

 

[Cricketman]

Why can't Pathan revert back to the old Pathan. Lack of Confidence? Or has he just gotten worse? Bad habit?

Dada out of form....

I don't think Sourav is out of form off late. He has been batting very well and is quite convinsing.

 

[Hooper]

Batting well againsta a Second XI South African team...

 

[cricket_lover]

Batting well againsta a Second XI South African team...

dude, seriously whats wrong with you?

Either constructively criticize his performance, or don't post.

A bowling line-up consisting of Morkel and Haywards is not Second XI. That too playing on a tricky surface, with team in trouble, with yourself underpressure.

Only time will tell how he'll perform in the tests, but give the credit where it is due!

 

[Hooper]

Whats wrong with me?? I'm fine thanks

I dont give him credit because he doesnt really deserve it..I reckon hes past his use by date..OK?

 

[cricket_lover]

Whats wrong with me?? I'm fine thanks

I dont give him credit because he doesnt really deserve it..I reckon hes past his use by date..OK?

really?

Try staying constructive...though i know its a bit difficult : .

Bhajji is most likely to be dropped, and i believe the same with Pathan. Three in-form seamers backed by Kumble.

 

[Hooper]

Sorry Buddy...I know your trying to protect your national team and it's players

 

[Cricket_god]

Sorry Buddy...I know your trying to protect your national team and it's players

It may be your view but age should not be a consideration when you are performing well.The determination of ganguly is what makes people his fans
it could have been so easy to give it all up and retire but he fought he might not be good against short ball he may get hit but he will fight .his performance against second string bowlers was good because he just landed the other day and other players who have been there for a month could not bat.its same if a australian gets a good score in a turning track against
india domestic side after playinmg at perth he is in contention to be selected for the team .

As the ODI series showed, speed is hardly the greatest of our concerns. The faster it is bowled, the faster it goes to the boundary. The very reason that those guys are in the Rest of South Africa team is that they don't have the accuracy to match the speed, in most cases.

Sehwag needs to come good in test cricket, and that means he has to last more than 5 overs. I feel if he doesn't get out in the first few overs, he usually settles down long enough to have a few lucky escapes and get a few runs on the board. I would go in with Jaffer to start with, because we need to play out the new ball too, not just get runs.


Tendulkar averages 55, Sehwag averages 52 and Jaffer averages 34. I don't know how you got an average of less than 10 from there. The fact of the matter is that you are judging that Pathan is a better batsmen than all of those guys by ONE match.

Here's a tissue to wipe off your sarcasm. Ganguly's been out of the side for a while, unlike Pathan who's been in the side and has been doing badly meticulously. Ganguly was brought back into the team to be drafted into the XI, whereas are pace 'battery' were brought in to show Pathan his last straw.

In odis it was the pace and bounce that did us yes pace may be nothing with out accuracy on flat pitches but allan donald who knows a bit more about the rest of south african bowlers than you said that morne morkel was the greatest fast bowling prospect in south africa and he is surely to take the new ball in following seasons.Pathan is a great prospect with bat and bowl.