India, not what they used to be?

[TumTum]

Not India team fault that haven't played away. Still even if they have played weak side they haven't also lost (or maybe they haven't played) to strong side in ODI iirc.

You need :help with your English.

 

[Gurjot95]

I know but I'm improving in it and in grades too

 

[riz7khan12]

Its a bit sad to see India loosing their way. Just 2 years ago they beat Australia and Sri Lanka in Australia, i blame this on their T20 world cup victory and the IPL.

 

[SaiSrini]

If the source of this panic is the loss to Zimbabwe (and it seems to be so), its a completely knee jerk reaction. I would talk about these things after this series is fully over.

 

[Gurjot95]

Funny how all are blaming India for their performace. I wanted to remind you that no player in India current squad has played more than 100 ODI's. Inface the second most experienced player in team is Dinesh Karthik who has played 42 ODI's.

 

[surendar]

Oh nice, you have won away against probably the two weakest non-minnow sides away from home?

The weakest side which knocked Aussies out of last T20 Wcup? Fine. FYI, we always used to have terrible series in Windies/NZ soil. So it's still a plus point for us.

And, clever quoting of post where you didn't quote that historic Aussie tour. Our abroad records have improved a lots but definitely not the best, it's better.

 

[aditya123]

The weakest side which knocked Aussies out of last T20 Wcup? Fine. FYI, we always used to have terrible series in Windies/NZ soil. So it's still a plus point for us.

And, clever quoting of post where you didn't quote that historic Aussie tour. Our abroad records have improved a lots but definitely not the best, it's better.

Our overseas record since 2000 is second best to Australia and on par with SA in test cricket. People just don`t know it because they have stereotyped the Indians like that.

 

[harrisb]

I see that at the moment, people, especially surendar are still backing the India team for success, however i agree with somebody's post on the first page, i think it might have been King Pietersen's where he said that India will only be the team they are for the next few years because once the likes of Tendulkar and Sehwag retire they will have to find replacements,

However, overall i think that some of the recent poor results must be blamed on the farcical end of IPL3, it has distracted away from the Indian cricket team.

 

[surendar]

the farcical end of IPL3, it has distracted away from the Indian cricket team.

Or I would put it in other way - T20 have distracted the players? How many strategic players we have in reserve for future? Well, again it would be a different story.

On a serious note - I never backed up India blindly.

1) My first post on this thread did say - India has had terrible/horrible results in big tournaments since 2003.
2) I don't agree with many posts floating around, " India's overseas failure never improved i.e. they always loose abroad " which is JUST RIDICULOUS note posted without any thinking process spent.

 

[harrisb]

this thread wasn't created as one that describes India as a crap team, it was created because over the coming years, India aren't going to be what they used to be because the current people we see as the best Indian cricketers are going to have to retire eventually. And because they (India) have been playing the less-experienced team recently, and not had great results, the future doesn't look bright for India.

 

[Gurjot95]

Unless all the experienced players retire same time I doubt we will see any bad team as it is now in future. The young players will gain some expirence by the time experienced players retire.

 

[sohum]

King_Pietersen suggested that India would have West Indies-esque decline. I think that's impossible just due to the sheer volume of cricket played in India. We obviously won't have overnight replacements to the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman, but that doesn't mean that we won't eventually have them. In the 90's, our batting consisted of basically Tendulkar and a bunch of guys who were very unpredictable and not very confidence-inspiring. A select few eventually developed into some pretty good cricketers. As fans, I think we always give budding cricketers too short a leash. As Indian fans, even more so. The best players playing the game right now weren't awesome from the get go. A lot of them dabbled in failure at the beginning of the career and eventually developed into really good players. You don't come into international cricket as a finished product.

Secondly, if you compare our Test team today to our team in the previous generation, you would have to be incredibly shortsighted to not be able to see the progress we have made. We've still kept our home a fortress--although it's not as strong as teams around the world have grown accustomed to playing spin. At the same time, we've improved in our away record tremendously. We may not be winning series' all over the place, but we're drawing and winning a lot of Test matches. In the previous generations of Indian cricket, when we were touring the likes of Australia and South Africa, a draw was considered as good as a win, and a cause for celebration. Now, when we draw a match, it is considered a lost opportunity for a win.

Finally, the volume of cricket has gone up so much, especially Twenty20 cricket, that I think we are losing focus of what really makes a good Test/ODI team. Twenty20 is far too tied with luck for it to be an accurate basis to determine how good a team is. For example, the way the Bangladeshis bowled in that last session against England and batted in the session immediately after, they would have won a Twenty20 match against England (of course, this is a hypothetical suggestion; purely a theoretical device). England, the better team, strung together more good sessions than Bangladesh which is why they are in the ascendancy.

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I don't think you will see a max exodus of the Indian batting line-up. I believe Laxman/Dravid will ease out first, followed by Tendulkar, in a couple more seasons. As Tendulkar has already shown in the ODI line-up, a mixture of experienced and young cricketers is a potent combination. We'll be looking to do the same with our Test lineup, hopefully.

 

[pcfan123]

You never know though Sohum, there could be injuries that force 2-3 to retire within months of each other.

I also disagree with the Windies style decline. Cricket is king in India, its dying in the West Indies.

 

[Cricketman]

Oh nice, you have won away against probably the two weakest non-minnow sides away from home?

We also beat the Aussies in ODIs and tied the tests. :sarcasm and the lankans. And England (although iirc we lost the 7match series 4-3). We have been among the top 3 teams consistently over the past 5 years.

 

[Cricketman]

I think picking Raina as a captain was a poor choice. I would've gone with KKD personally, captained TN before successfully and has good leadership abilities, has been around for a long time now. Honestly I would've had SOME senior players around, like Zaheer Khan with the ball and perhaps Sehwag or Gambhir or someone with the bat to lead each department. In that case Zak defo would've been my captain.

Raina doesn't have any leadership skills. I sure as hell wouldn't listen to his squeaky voice on the field.