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If that's the case, rest assured we are not winning anything sooner or later.
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The captaincy bit is a no brainer from the outside in the sense that Rohit has won so much.
However, I do get the deeper discussion of looking at the future and while I think nobody bar Rohit looks tactically astute or a confirmed starter in the XI (Iyer).
I think Rahul as vice captain is a good choice. Dhoni had never captained anything before India and I have seen Rahul has a willingness to learn and listen. It's all about how much whoever follows Rohit is willing to listen to Dravid. Thank heavens Rahul has not been made captain already. Hope Dravid tells him that whether he is captain in the future or not he just needs to bat like Rahul and that he will not be dropped.
Rohit is the right move simply because there's no one else ready yet. The 50 over reigns should also be handed to him immediately.
However, I do get the deeper discussion of looking at the future and while I think nobody bar Rohit looks tactically astute or a confirmed starter in the XI (Iyer).
I think Rahul as vice captain is a good choice. Dhoni had never captained anything before India and I have seen Rahul has a willingness to learn and listen. It's all about how much whoever follows Rohit is willing to listen to Dravid. Thank heavens Rahul has not been made captain already. Hope Dravid tells him that whether he is captain in the future or not he just needs to bat like Rahul and that he will not be dropped.
Rohit is the right move simply because there's no one else ready yet. The 50 over reigns should also be handed to him immediately.
5 openers in the India T20I squad that is selected for the NZ home series. Rohit, Rahul, Ruturaj, Ishan, Venkatesh Iyer. I know Venkatesh Iyer has been a finisher in the past in domestic cricket, but he is picked on the back of his success as an opener for KKR in the recent IPL.
Where are the middle order players and the finishers that we need to start grooming? And to remind you - there is a bigger glut of openers waiting on the wings like Prithvi Shaw, Shubman Gill, Mayank Agarwal, etc. India has been in this phase for years now, where we have a strong top order followed by a shaky/vulnerable middle and lower. And this has cost us ICC tournaments. When we won our last two ICC tournaments in 2011 and 2013, we had Yuvraj, Dhoni, Raina. Need those kind of finishers if we got to win an ICC tournament again.
Where are the middle order players and the finishers that we need to start grooming? And to remind you - there is a bigger glut of openers waiting on the wings like Prithvi Shaw, Shubman Gill, Mayank Agarwal, etc. India has been in this phase for years now, where we have a strong top order followed by a shaky/vulnerable middle and lower. And this has cost us ICC tournaments. When we won our last two ICC tournaments in 2011 and 2013, we had Yuvraj, Dhoni, Raina. Need those kind of finishers if we got to win an ICC tournament again.
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England got to the World Cup semi final with at least five openers in the top seven.
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Let's talk about Test middle order backups. Do we have any? With Pujara, Rahane downhill and no consistent number 6, it is the need of the hour to try few middle order batsmen in the upcoming NZ test series. With no batsmen really on fire in the last Ranji season (2019) a few consistent prospects comes to mind.
1. Sheldon Jackson.
2. Ricky bhui
3. Siddhesh lad
Washington Sunder is injured.
Sarfraz khan - had a terrific Ranji 2019 but not sure if his technique is suited to test cricket.
Remaining all the top scorers were from the plate group where is no real challenge from new Ranji teams.
1. Sheldon Jackson.
2. Ricky bhui
3. Siddhesh lad
Washington Sunder is injured.
Sarfraz khan - had a terrific Ranji 2019 but not sure if his technique is suited to test cricket.
Remaining all the top scorers were from the plate group where is no real challenge from new Ranji teams.
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Vihari should move to 5 when he comes back so that Rahane can be protected until he gets back his form. Don't think India would be too keen to move on from Rahane till 2025 atleast if he performs.
With Dravid in as coach, I hope optimistically that he would vouch for Rahane to be given an extended rope. Pujara has done nothing wrong yet to be dropped too (if I remember, Pujara had better returns than Rahane in the recent tests, though my memory is so faint of test cricket but I am fairly confident I'm right).
The impact of Dravid on Pujara-Rahane is going to be something very interesting to watch. Earlier he had come in as batting consultant and all, but being the official head coach is a hugely different dynamic.
The impact of Dravid on Pujara-Rahane is going to be something very interesting to watch. Earlier he had come in as batting consultant and all, but being the official head coach is a hugely different dynamic.
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I've something for all of you to discuss. Will post it after I wake up. Going to sleep now, been a long day at work.
It's related to Dravid, his batchmates and a very big revamp...
It's related to Dravid, his batchmates and a very big revamp...
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Working till 6 in the morning? Night shift?
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Look out, he has also faced the most deliveries in the mean time. He is certainly doing what is required off him. He made crucial contributions at Gabba, Lord's and at The Oval. Without him India would've faced it tough to win!
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Okay, I woke up and decided to post about the thing I was talking about earlier.
I've been following a youtube channel (in my regional language). It's hosted by Vijay Bharadwaj & Shrinivas Murthy. Both of them are currently the commentators at Star Sports, in regional language. They have played alongside Kumble, Dravid, Venkatesh Prasad etc... in domestic circuit. Vijay was the coach of Karnataka team when Kumble & Dravid were playing Ranji Trophy. Vijay has also been assistant coach for RCB for 3 yrs and Fielding coach for Oman National Team. He has even played alongside Sachin, Ganguly etc.. in 1999.
Well, you may think why I'm talking about Vijay & SM. It's because of the credibility and the whatever they plan to do next. I like the way they do the pre and post match analysis on their channel and most of them are top notch. As most of us were talking about having one captain for limited overs, two captains might create conflict of interest, they had a thought about having to revamp the India's white ball team.
As we are talking about future of Indian Cricket, it's important to note that we have a solid base. Hence now is the right time to revamp and try some young yet exciting talent. Vijay and SM have said that they will be drawing/drafting a plan and will be sending a copy to Dravid. Having knowing these two for his entire cricketing life, it's not a big ask for Dravid to give the plan a thought. Dravid is known to be a master of planning and surely you can see these plans, not entirely but partially being into implementation.
A video will be coming up with the plan they are talking about. I'll keep you guys posted.
I've been following a youtube channel (in my regional language). It's hosted by Vijay Bharadwaj & Shrinivas Murthy. Both of them are currently the commentators at Star Sports, in regional language. They have played alongside Kumble, Dravid, Venkatesh Prasad etc... in domestic circuit. Vijay was the coach of Karnataka team when Kumble & Dravid were playing Ranji Trophy. Vijay has also been assistant coach for RCB for 3 yrs and Fielding coach for Oman National Team. He has even played alongside Sachin, Ganguly etc.. in 1999.
Well, you may think why I'm talking about Vijay & SM. It's because of the credibility and the whatever they plan to do next. I like the way they do the pre and post match analysis on their channel and most of them are top notch. As most of us were talking about having one captain for limited overs, two captains might create conflict of interest, they had a thought about having to revamp the India's white ball team.
As we are talking about future of Indian Cricket, it's important to note that we have a solid base. Hence now is the right time to revamp and try some young yet exciting talent. Vijay and SM have said that they will be drawing/drafting a plan and will be sending a copy to Dravid. Having knowing these two for his entire cricketing life, it's not a big ask for Dravid to give the plan a thought. Dravid is known to be a master of planning and surely you can see these plans, not entirely but partially being into implementation.
A video will be coming up with the plan they are talking about. I'll keep you guys posted.
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I've been doing night shift for 2 yrs now.
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Dhoni aside (who had captaincy and keeping) as subordinate roles I cannot remember a middle order batsman from India bar Yuvraj Singh who has been revered. Even Yuvi had a second wing.
We just want hundreds, averages. Guys like Raina, Jadeja (Ajay), Dravid were mostly treated like hot cups of tea and coffee in the white ball game. When it was cold and the going was tough and they did their job, it was just that- their job.
Look at this discussion board itself. Jadeja and Bumrah are not even a discussion for the leadership role. How do we know how good they are? Our perspective as a country only is not balanced. Cricket is a small aspect of it.
For us, bowlers are the farmers, those that can do a bit of both are traders and the batters are bureaucrats who can have the fattest salaries for sitting in the comfiest of chairs all year.
On what basis does Rohit get the test job ahead of at least 4 other chaps I can name? FFS, Rahane won us a god damn test series down under with a second/third wing team against an Aussie side at full pelt. Unbelievable.
Who is to blame now for this shambolic side selected for this series? We don't have Kohli to thrash. You put SKY and Kishan out and you will not find an impact middle order India bat in all of the IPL. The toughest phase of batting in the IPL is taken burden by 80% foreigners. It has been exposed to the hilt in this World Cup and it's lead up!
I think it might be time to do the reverse of Sehwag and try and make KL a middle order bat with the license to hammer from ball 1.
