India Team Discussion

I THINK BECAUSE OF THESE REASONS INDIAN CRICKET TEAM IS NOT PERFORMING WELL
  • Lack of Temperament: Temperament has been a big problem with the Indian batsmen at the test level. Their approach to limited overs crickethas affected the way they play Test cricket. (In T20s, one can afford to play safely for an over or 2 in the beginning. In ODIs, one can afford to play safely for 10-12 overs. But) in Tests, unless they are looking for a big lead on the third or fourth day of the test match, they can afford to play safely throughout.

    All they have to do is to capitalize on the bad balls and pick up runs, while not taking unnecessary risks by playing away from the body. Looks likeour Indian batsmen have forgotten this, in short called the 'Basics' of test batting. You see them trying to go for adventurous strokes even in the early stages when the ball deviates over 40 cms(new technology FTW). When this happens, the batsman is bound to depart anytime. In Ravi Shastri's words "I am getting a strong feeling that something will give here, Chapelli?" :P
  • Lack of hunger for 'BIG' hundreds: When a batsman has the greed and selfishness for scoring those 'BIG' hundreds and staying at the crease for as long as possible, he'll be mature enough to decide on which approach to take - that of a safe approach by following the text-book or the limited overs approach of attacking cricket - taking risks by playing away from the body. But looks like they have no greed for runs or they are immature, or both. They have forgotten to LEAVE THE BALL ALONE (When I say a big 100, I mean 150+ runs. Except maybe Pujara and Vijay, all other recent centurions have gotten out immediately after reaching the 3 figure mark.)

    Sehwag is an exception. Not many players are gifted with that mind-blowing hand-eye combination as him (if you were going to counter by pointing out the amazing test career stats of Sehwag, despite being an attacking batsman in test cricket.)
  • No emphasis laid on big partnerships: There is a popular saying that 'Catches win matches'. But I believe in 'Partnerships win matches'. One of the main factors why India was doing so well from 2007-2011 when they were at their peak in test cricket, was that there were always 2-3 big partnerships. By big, I don't mean 50-100. I mean 150-200-250-300-300+. When this happens, the team scores more than 400-500 runs, which in most cases are match-winning scores, or at least match-saving ones. Apart from those on highways and dead tracks against average attacks, I have not seen any great partnership by Indian batsmen in the last 3 years, worth remembering.
  • No Change in Thought Process:Sometimes, when everything starts going wrong, the best thing to do is to introspect on what went wrong, think again about how to go about things in future, and if required try to bring in new people into team management as well as support staff. But, in the last 3 years, the team management, support staff and the general thought process has remained the same, despite multiple humiliating series defeats, both home and away.
  • Promise and Talent > Performance: One more thing I have observed in the last three years is that 'promising' and 'talented' cricketers are preferred to 'performing' cricketers. Long ropes are given to cricketers who appear talented and promising, and limited opportunities to those who perform whenever they are given an opportunity to play.
  • Over-burdening the performers: Only 2-3 cricketers have played well for India in the last 3 years. And these 2-3 have a lot of expectations and burdens on their shoulders. For batsmen, it's just pressure to score runs. But for bowlers, it's extra work-load, which means they are more prone to fatigue related injuries. (What India desperately needs is 4-5 decent bowlers who can all hold their ends up and see to it that the best bowler will not get extra work-load.)
  • No one to lead the Bowling department: After Zaheer Khan's removal from the squad, India does not have an experienced spearhead in the bowling department. Zaheer Khan's sharing of experiences and tips standing at Mid-On even without getting a ball to bowl or a bat to bat, is perhaps of more use than 2-3 players
  • Faulty Team Selection: When the team is travelling for overseas tours which are very important, sending youngsters is a good move. But if the selectors overdo it, it will backfire. The selectors have to be clever enough to select a team which has a good number of youngsters, while also retaining or calling up some experienced players who have had prior experience, in the otherwise unknown and hostile territories. Sending a young team every time and giving an excuse that this was a young team, will not always work.
  • Early Cult Status: This is according to me, the main reason for the first 2-3 problems I have mentioned above. Have you guys seen the Star Sports program where all these Rohit Sharmas and Virat Kohlis talk with a media presenter in the presence of kids, talking about their lives, passions, hobbies and their accomplishments?

    (Did Dravid and Ganguly get interviewed in 1997 or 1998? Did Laxman and Harbhajan get interviewed in 2001? Did Lara and Ponting get interviewed in 1990s? Did Richards and Gavaskar get interviewed in 1970s?)

    No! They all had to perform for years and, in many cases, wait till they hung their boots, to get their inspiring stories heard. They all were pretty famous. But they did not get the cult status until they had given everything they had in them. It is human nature to keep working hard until one gets his ultimate reward and lose half the enthusiasm and the zeal to give his 100% after getting that. One good innings days before the I.P.L. auctions, one good knock in an IPL match, one test hundred and the cricketer gets not just instant fame but also enough money to lead the rest of his life.
  • Coach: Under the present coach, I have not even seen one good change in India's approach. I have not seen even one risky tactic, one dynamic change in batting order. No change what so ever. Who India needs as a coach is a player who has recently retired, preferably someone who has an experience of playing T20s, since he will have the first-hand idea of how the shortest form can affect the performance of an individual in test-cricket, so that he and the boys can work on overcoming those.
 
Good list ^^^, you've obviously thought about this. I think the Bangladesh ODI loss was pretty simple = Bangladesh are an exceptional ODI home side so it wasn't India being bad, just Bangladesh being too good. In recent years, just ask NZ and Pak.

But you make some solid points, a lot of Indian players ,especially batsman in recent months have shown promise but haven't always backed it up with top performances, Then there is the big gap between India's ODI performances (still very good) and test performances (no test series win in some 2 seasons of cricket). Why is that? I have always felt India don't have the bowlers to battle away from home and against competent sides at home, like England, they can lose because they don't have the depth to back up a top class test side.

I'd like to see India make a genuine effort at bringing in some truly top class spinners, that is their strength. To stop chasing the pace dream. Yes of course a few medium pacers will still be around but I always believe every test side, especially successful ones, play to their strengths i.e. SA and their all round excellence, England and their tactics and nuance, Pakistan and their bowling (however the batting seems to have taken that place recently haha) and so on.
 
imVkohli said:
I THINK BECAUSE OF THESE REASONS INDIAN CRICKET TEAM IS NOT PERFORMING WELL
  • Lack of Temperament: Temperament has been a big problem with the Indian batsmen at the test level. Their approach to limited overs crickethas affected the way they play Test cricket. (In T20s, one can afford to play safely for an over or 2 in the beginning. In ODIs, one can afford to play safely for 10-12 overs. But) in Tests, unless they are looking for a big lead on the third or fourth day of the test match, they can afford to play safely throughout.

    All they have to do is to capitalize on the bad balls and pick up runs, while not taking unnecessary risks by playing away from the body. Looks likeour Indian batsmen have forgotten this, in short called the 'Basics' of test batting. You see them trying to go for adventurous strokes even in the early stages when the ball deviates over 40 cms(new technology FTW). When this happens, the batsman is bound to depart anytime. In Ravi Shastri's words "I am getting a strong feeling that something will give here, Chapelli?" :P
  • Lack of hunger for 'BIG' hundreds: When a batsman has the greed and selfishness for scoring those 'BIG' hundreds and staying at the crease for as long as possible, he'll be mature enough to decide on which approach to take - that of a safe approach by following the text-book or the limited overs approach of attacking cricket - taking risks by playing away from the body. But looks like they have no greed for runs or they are immature, or both. They have forgotten to LEAVE THE BALL ALONE (When I say a big 100, I mean 150+ runs. Except maybe Pujara and Vijay, all other recent centurions have gotten out immediately after reaching the 3 figure mark.)

    Sehwag is an exception. Not many players are gifted with that mind-blowing hand-eye combination as him (if you were going to counter by pointing out the amazing test career stats of Sehwag, despite being an attacking batsman in test cricket.)
  • No emphasis laid on big partnerships: There is a popular saying that 'Catches win matches'. But I believe in 'Partnerships win matches'. One of the main factors why India was doing so well from 2007-2011 when they were at their peak in test cricket, was that there were always 2-3 big partnerships. By big, I don't mean 50-100. I mean 150-200-250-300-300+. When this happens, the team scores more than 400-500 runs, which in most cases are match-winning scores, or at least match-saving ones. Apart from those on highways and dead tracks against average attacks, I have not seen any great partnership by Indian batsmen in the last 3 years, worth remembering.
  • No Change in Thought Process:Sometimes, when everything starts going wrong, the best thing to do is to introspect on what went wrong, think again about how to go about things in future, and if required try to bring in new people into team management as well as support staff. But, in the last 3 years, the team management, support staff and the general thought process has remained the same, despite multiple humiliating series defeats, both home and away.
  • Promise and Talent > Performance: One more thing I have observed in the last three years is that 'promising' and 'talented' cricketers are preferred to 'performing' cricketers. Long ropes are given to cricketers who appear talented and promising, and limited opportunities to those who perform whenever they are given an opportunity to play.
  • Over-burdening the performers: Only 2-3 cricketers have played well for India in the last 3 years. And these 2-3 have a lot of expectations and burdens on their shoulders. For batsmen, it's just pressure to score runs. But for bowlers, it's extra work-load, which means they are more prone to fatigue related injuries. (What India desperately needs is 4-5 decent bowlers who can all hold their ends up and see to it that the best bowler will not get extra work-load.)
  • No one to lead the Bowling department: After Zaheer Khan's removal from the squad, India does not have an experienced spearhead in the bowling department. Zaheer Khan's sharing of experiences and tips standing at Mid-On even without getting a ball to bowl or a bat to bat, is perhaps of more use than 2-3 players
  • Faulty Team Selection: When the team is travelling for overseas tours which are very important, sending youngsters is a good move. But if the selectors overdo it, it will backfire. The selectors have to be clever enough to select a team which has a good number of youngsters, while also retaining or calling up some experienced players who have had prior experience, in the otherwise unknown and hostile territories. Sending a young team every time and giving an excuse that this was a young team, will not always work.
  • Early Cult Status: This is according to me, the main reason for the first 2-3 problems I have mentioned above. Have you guys seen the Star Sports program where all these Rohit Sharmas and Virat Kohlis talk with a media presenter in the presence of kids, talking about their lives, passions, hobbies and their accomplishments?

    (Did Dravid and Ganguly get interviewed in 1997 or 1998? Did Laxman and Harbhajan get interviewed in 2001? Did Lara and Ponting get interviewed in 1990s? Did Richards and Gavaskar get interviewed in 1970s?)

    No! They all had to perform for years and, in many cases, wait till they hung their boots, to get their inspiring stories heard. They all were pretty famous. But they did not get the cult status until they had given everything they had in them. It is human nature to keep working hard until one gets his ultimate reward and lose half the enthusiasm and the zeal to give his 100% after getting that. One good innings days before the I.P.L. auctions, one good knock in an IPL match, one test hundred and the cricketer gets not just instant fame but also enough money to lead the rest of his life.
  • Coach: Under the present coach, I have not even seen one good change in India's approach. I have not seen even one risky tactic, one dynamic change in batting order. No change what so ever. Who India needs as a coach is a player who has recently retired, preferably someone who has an experience of playing T20s, since he will have the first-hand idea of how the shortest form can affect the performance of an individual in test-cricket, so that he and the boys can work on overcoming those.
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Excellent post buddy, cant really disagree with anything but would like to emphasize the loss of Zaheer Khan, since following cricket he is by some distance perhaps the only genuine world class bowler India has produced and youre certainly right him not being present to offer advice at the very least is ridiculous!
 
imVkohli said:
I THINK BECAUSE OF THESE REASONS INDIAN CRICKET TEAM IS NOT PERFORMING WELL
  • Lack of Temperament: Temperament has been a big problem with the Indian batsmen at the test level. Their approach to limited overs crickethas affected the way they play Test cricket. (In T20s, one can afford to play safely for an over or 2 in the beginning. In ODIs, one can afford to play safely for 10-12 overs. But) in Tests, unless they are looking for a big lead on the third or fourth day of the test match, they can afford to play safely throughout.

    All they have to do is to capitalize on the bad balls and pick up runs, while not taking unnecessary risks by playing away from the body. Looks likeour Indian batsmen have forgotten this, in short called the 'Basics' of test batting. You see them trying to go for adventurous strokes even in the early stages when the ball deviates over 40 cms(new technology FTW). When this happens, the batsman is bound to depart anytime. In Ravi Shastri's words "I am getting a strong feeling that something will give here, Chapelli?" :P
  • Lack of hunger for 'BIG' hundreds: When a batsman has the greed and selfishness for scoring those 'BIG' hundreds and staying at the crease for as long as possible, he'll be mature enough to decide on which approach to take - that of a safe approach by following the text-book or the limited overs approach of attacking cricket - taking risks by playing away from the body. But looks like they have no greed for runs or they are immature, or both. They have forgotten to LEAVE THE BALL ALONE (When I say a big 100, I mean 150+ runs. Except maybe Pujara and Vijay, all other recent centurions have gotten out immediately after reaching the 3 figure mark.)

    Sehwag is an exception. Not many players are gifted with that mind-blowing hand-eye combination as him (if you were going to counter by pointing out the amazing test career stats of Sehwag, despite being an attacking batsman in test cricket.)
  • No emphasis laid on big partnerships: There is a popular saying that 'Catches win matches'. But I believe in 'Partnerships win matches'. One of the main factors why India was doing so well from 2007-2011 when they were at their peak in test cricket, was that there were always 2-3 big partnerships. By big, I don't mean 50-100. I mean 150-200-250-300-300+. When this happens, the team scores more than 400-500 runs, which in most cases are match-winning scores, or at least match-saving ones. Apart from those on highways and dead tracks against average attacks, I have not seen any great partnership by Indian batsmen in the last 3 years, worth remembering.
  • No Change in Thought Process:Sometimes, when everything starts going wrong, the best thing to do is to introspect on what went wrong, think again about how to go about things in future, and if required try to bring in new people into team management as well as support staff. But, in the last 3 years, the team management, support staff and the general thought process has remained the same, despite multiple humiliating series defeats, both home and away.
  • Promise and Talent > Performance: One more thing I have observed in the last three years is that 'promising' and 'talented' cricketers are preferred to 'performing' cricketers. Long ropes are given to cricketers who appear talented and promising, and limited opportunities to those who perform whenever they are given an opportunity to play.
  • Over-burdening the performers: Only 2-3 cricketers have played well for India in the last 3 years. And these 2-3 have a lot of expectations and burdens on their shoulders. For batsmen, it's just pressure to score runs. But for bowlers, it's extra work-load, which means they are more prone to fatigue related injuries. (What India desperately needs is 4-5 decent bowlers who can all hold their ends up and see to it that the best bowler will not get extra work-load.)
  • No one to lead the Bowling department: After Zaheer Khan's removal from the squad, India does not have an experienced spearhead in the bowling department. Zaheer Khan's sharing of experiences and tips standing at Mid-On even without getting a ball to bowl or a bat to bat, is perhaps of more use than 2-3 players
  • Faulty Team Selection: When the team is travelling for overseas tours which are very important, sending youngsters is a good move. But if the selectors overdo it, it will backfire. The selectors have to be clever enough to select a team which has a good number of youngsters, while also retaining or calling up some experienced players who have had prior experience, in the otherwise unknown and hostile territories. Sending a young team every time and giving an excuse that this was a young team, will not always work.
  • Early Cult Status: This is according to me, the main reason for the first 2-3 problems I have mentioned above. Have you guys seen the Star Sports program where all these Rohit Sharmas and Virat Kohlis talk with a media presenter in the presence of kids, talking about their lives, passions, hobbies and their accomplishments?

    (Did Dravid and Ganguly get interviewed in 1997 or 1998? Did Laxman and Harbhajan get interviewed in 2001? Did Lara and Ponting get interviewed in 1990s? Did Richards and Gavaskar get interviewed in 1970s?)

    No! They all had to perform for years and, in many cases, wait till they hung their boots, to get their inspiring stories heard. They all were pretty famous. But they did not get the cult status until they had given everything they had in them. It is human nature to keep working hard until one gets his ultimate reward and lose half the enthusiasm and the zeal to give his 100% after getting that. One good innings days before the I.P.L. auctions, one good knock in an IPL match, one test hundred and the cricketer gets not just instant fame but also enough money to lead the rest of his life.
  • Coach: Under the present coach, I have not even seen one good change in India's approach. I have not seen even one risky tactic, one dynamic change in batting order. No change what so ever. Who India needs as a coach is a player who has recently retired, preferably someone who has an experience of playing T20s, since he will have the first-hand idea of how the shortest form can affect the performance of an individual in test-cricket, so that he and the boys can work on overcoming those.
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Yes the things which you've mentioned are absolutely true. But there are also some other issues that have lead to India's failure in test cricket. Some of them are related to not using the technology which other full-member nations of ICC using. We don't have hawk-eye, real-time snicko and hotspots. There are some issues because of that which are leading to lack of confidence and liveliness of our players due to which they could not take wickets on the later part of the innings which are leading to big leads taken by other teams. In 2011 England-India series we saw that some wrong decisions were made because of the malfunctioning of DRS that is why BCCI have stopped using DRS. But in other way if we think they are not doing the right thing because they are also making their loss of their own team with this decision of not using the DRS facility.
Because of this we are losing many matches as nowadays umpires are giving poor decisions. Remember that 2012-13 India-England series where many wrong lbw decisions were made. Some of the calls were given out even after inside-edges. Monty Panesar and Graeme Swann got many wickets off inside-edges on lbw calls. And even the in the recently played Border-Gavaskar series too many wrong decisions were made by umpires at wrong time. Whenever India were trying to build partnerships wrong umpire decision came in their way. Some of them are as follows:-

1) In the first test Dhawan got out caught by Haddin of the bowling off Johnson even after the ball had hit his arm guard Umpire had gave him out

2) Murali Vijay got out in the same way in the first innings of first test

3) Ajinkya Rahane way given out in the first innings of fourth test in the same way

and even many more wrong decisions were made

Many wrong decisions also happened when tailenders of opposite team were batting like:-

1) In the first test of England-India 2014 series Stuart Broad was given not out off a close lbw call off the bowling of Bhuvneshwar Kumar
And many such wrong decisions are made and will be made until and unless BCCI agrees to use DRS once again.
 
B.C.C.I is making a big wrong decision of getting stuart in the 15(s). Well all of us know that stuart is not a good cricketer in comparison to yuvraj. Stuart only wants to impress mayanti (Her hot,sexy and big boobed wife) but yuvraj want whole india to feel proud and wants to make the best performances. well youvraj did'nt performed in the t20 world cup this does not mean that he got old .He is yuvraj singh who captured the world cup for india. at the same time he was fighting with cancer.

There is no problem in taking him in the team. its the sense of jealousy in robin binny from yuvraj.
 
Cant really use poor decisions as an excuse, as it affects both teams.

One major point missed would be catching, especially slip catching. Its ridiculous, the number of times we have dropped players on single digits and then seen them go on to make big hundreds, even triple hundred.

Desperately need a GOOD fielding coach who can work on a few guys for only slip catching
 
imVkohli said:
Stuart only wants to impress mayanti (Her hot,sexy and big boobed wife) but yuvraj want whole india to feel proud and wants to make the best performances.
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Woooo..... Where we are heading.


Believe it or not, Yuvraj Singh is past and i dont think he will be able to make a comeback ever. I accept he helped us win WC but every good thing has to go someday.
 
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Binny is proving himself with his performances in Zimbabwe now.Good performances with the bat and good with the ball too.Only one problem I see is him being a medium pace bowler, he wouldn't be effective if pitch is not slow.But I see him to be someone worth to be in the XI in sight of the world T20 and matches in the subcontinent.bowls good medium pace and can offer explosive batting to an extend.Looking at the limited allround options in India he is indeed a good player.
 
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