Indian Premier League - General Discussion

[Till Valhalla]

Lets hope it's not.

At the risk of sounding cynical, I don't think that will be repeated again in this tournament. Sort of like Tewatia-type innings.

It was great but we all the chances of that happening again.

 

[AliB]

I don't think CSK are affected by Raina's absence at all. Raina and Rayudu were actually struggling last year and also he had a poor season a year prior to it. Even if Raina was there for CSK they would've been struggling the way they are now. The last 2 years if you see then coming to 2018 season they were heavily dependent on their openers who scored loads of runs for them while Dhoni was batting on a different level that season. Now when you come to 2019 season, Rayudu who was their consistent opener was sent down the order at 4 to fit Du Plessis into their line-up at the top of the order. While middle order mainly fired due to Dhoni and Jadhav with support from Bravo and Jadeja. The problem this year is that Rayudu who was their best batsman in their opening match got injured so the support that Du Plessis got was missing, Kedar Jadhav is failing to middle everything thrown at him since the World Cup so no surprises why he hasn't delivered and Dhoni hasn't played in any form of Cricket in last 15 months so coming into the IPL was always going to be difficult and on top of that he is batting down the order which has made things look worser. And in these conditions of you concede 160-170 then half the match is over by then. So CSK needs to somehow bring back Tahir. My batting order for CSK for tomorrow should be

Faf
Ruturaj
Rayudu
Dhoni
Jadhav
Sam Curran
Bravo
Karn Sharma
Tahir
Shardul
Chahar

They have Karn? It's abysmal to play Chawla over him, he's better with the bat, with the ball. If you don't want him, give him back.

 

[Bevab]

I've said this before - SRH, though, have 2 back to back wins will struggle to make the play offs. There have been positives no doubt but the middle order woes and death bowling are a serious cause of concern.

One could argue that CSK lost the match between 10-14 overs but the fact that they got so close to the target while chasing almost 20 rpo in the last 3 overs is a telling sign that our death bowling is gonna cost us matches soon.

Our top 4 looks good now and wouldn't want to change that even if Warner/Bairstow/Pandey/Williamson have 3-4 bad games as that's the best combo we have at the moment.

If only we had a strong local middle order batsman to compliment the top order I would have felt more comfortable.

Coming to the bowling, Natarajan has impressed me. Khaleel continues to disappoint and might I add, is starting to look like someone who the opposition will gun for every match.

Bhuvi had a great match and I hope for the sake of SRH's chances doesn't miss many games.

Rashid is living up to his reputation. Teams are obviously just going to look to play out his overs, so any wickets that he gets are a bonus.

The fifth bowler is again a problem. Don't feel very confident that Abhishek-Samad would have many good games like yesterday. So that makes for 4-6 juicy overs (counting Khaleel in there) to feast upon.

I knew that Hyderabad fans had a reputation for pessimism and reverse jinxing but this is really on another level.

Calling the Garg/Abishek performances a one-off is extremely harsh on them. Garg is one of India's brightest talents with the bat at the moment while Abhishek has already provided a similar cameo for Delhi. Tewatia in contrast never had such a performance before in the IPL and hell, nobody else has ever played that badly and then suddenly sprung into life either. In addition that was on a stamp size ground unlike the partnership yesterday which was on a much bigger ground. Their inexperience is the only worry to be had and that can be rectified when you've got personalities like Warner and Williamson in the dressing room. In any case, Rashid Khan is a superb hitter down the order too who could realistically bat at seven.

Which team has a strong domestic middle order batsman in any case? Hardik for Mumbai and DK for Kolkata are the only ones I would call quality at the moment and the latter has not been as good as he was in previous seasons. Dhoni for Chennai maybe if you're willing to excuse his old school approach? There is no real world class Indian middle order batsman out there because such a player does not genuinely exist! In reality, there is a certain player who has done a handy job at six for India in T20Is and last I checked he was still in the colours of the orange side...

Death bowling is another thing that I haven't seen any side nail down particularly well consistently. The ones that I have seen bowl well all have utilized the strength of their bowlers and masked any potential weaknesses with solid plans (think Rajpoot bowling wide yorkers and Natarajan going for yorkers of his own). Poor death bowling has been a result of dew and a settled batsman who plays till the end and sees the cricket ball as a beach ball. Khaleel's form and Bhuvi's fitness are the biggest concerns for your side at the moment, I would back a Williamson and Warner duo (the latter already seemed to appreciate input from Williamson last match) to restrict the opposition if needed. The fifth bowler is a big concern though which I've already mentioned previously. The only remedy would be to drop one of Samad or Abhishek for Nadeem.

It is obvious why you would want Pandey to bat at three given how atrocious he was two years ago at four and five but for the sake of the side I would still make him bat at six or even five. He genuinely seemed to play a lot better for India at six once he started gaining experience and on the bigger grounds I think his placement and strike rotation with the lack of accuracy from bowlers due to dew could be a huge factor. In any case, you would have the cushion of three hitters in Abishek, Samad and Rashid to make up for any potential slow innings that Pandey plays. Another argument is the number of match winning innings that Pandey will contribute at three. With Kane at three, you have someone who was the orange cap holder in 2018 and has a proven history of making match winning contributions on a consistent basis. Pandey on the other hand? I remember just two such performances from him last season that I would call match-winning and Hyderabad unfortunately lost both of them (not his fault). In addition all of his good knocks last season came in a run of four consecutive games and I don't think relying on him to suddenly conjure up match winning knocks is a solid plan.

On the contrary, Garg is the type of player who works best at three or four. I would play him at four given his experience there for UP and his skillset. His inexperience in the death overs could be a potential worry and I would rather have Pandey in place of him down at five or six.

TL;DR play Garg at four, have Pandey down the order and I guarantee that Hyderabad will have a perfectly functioning batting order.

YJB
Warner
Kane
Garg
Manish/Samad
Samad/Manish
Abhishek

 

[wasteyouryouth]

I knew that Hyderabad fans had a reputation for pessimism and reverse jinxing but this is really on another level.

Calling the Garg/Abishek performances a one-off is extremely harsh on them. Garg is one of India's brightest talents with the bat at the moment while Abhishek has already provided a similar cameo for Delhi. Tewatia in contrast never had such a performance before in the IPL and hell, nobody else has ever played that badly and then suddenly sprung into life either. In addition that was on a stamp size ground unlike the partnership yesterday which was on a much bigger ground. Their inexperience is the only worry to be had and that can be rectified when you've got personalities like Warner and Williamson in the dressing room. In any case, Rashid Khan is a superb hitter down the order too who could realistically bat at seven.

Which team has a strong domestic middle order batsman in any case? Hardik for Mumbai and DK for Kolkata are the only ones I would call quality at the moment and the latter has not been as good as he was in previous seasons. Dhoni for Chennai maybe if you're willing to excuse his old school approach? There is no real world class Indian middle order batsman out there because such a player does not genuinely exist! In reality, there is a certain player who has done a handy job at six for India in T20Is and last I checked he was still in the colours of the orange side...

Death bowling is another thing that I haven't seen any side nail down particularly well consistently. The ones that I have seen bowl well all have utilized the strength of their bowlers and masked any potential weaknesses with solid plans (think Rajpoot bowling wide yorkers and Natarajan going for yorkers of his own). Poor death bowling has been a result of dew and a settled batsman who plays till the end and sees the cricket ball as a beach ball. Khaleel's form and Bhuvi's fitness are the biggest concerns for your side at the moment, I would back a Williamson and Warner duo (the latter already seemed to appreciate input from Williamson last match) to restrict the opposition if needed. The fifth bowler is a big concern though which I've already mentioned previously. The only remedy would be to drop one of Samad or Abhishek for Nadeem.

It is obvious why you would want Pandey to bat at three given how atrocious he was two years ago at four and five but for the sake of the side I would still make him bat at six or even five. He genuinely seemed to play a lot better for India at six once he started gaining experience and on the bigger grounds I think his placement and strike rotation with the lack of accuracy from bowlers due to dew could be a huge factor. In any case, you would have the cushion of three hitters in Abishek, Samad and Rashid to make up for any potential slow innings that Pandey plays. Another argument is the number of match winning innings that Pandey will contribute at three. With Kane at three, you have someone who was the orange cap holder in 2018 and has a proven history of making match winning contributions on a consistent basis. Pandey on the other hand? I remember just two such performances from him last season that I would call match-winning and Hyderabad unfortunately lost both of them (not his fault). In addition all of his good knocks last season came in a run of four consecutive games and I don't think relying on him to suddenly conjure up match winning knocks is a solid plan.

On the contrary, Garg is the type of player who works best at three or four. I would play him at four given his experience there for UP and his skillset. His inexperience in the death overs could be a potential worry and I would rather have Pandey in place of him down at five or six.

TL;DR play Garg at four, have Pandey down the order and I guarantee that Hyderabad will have a perfectly functioning batting order.

YJB
Warner
Kane
Garg
Manish/Samad
Samad/Manish
Abhishek

Bairstow's got two 50s and you're dropping him?

They have got an option that could solve middle order and replace Bhuvi: Jason Holder. He got wickets and scored quickly in CPL. He's played cricket for most of the summer too which gives him a match sharpness that quite a few players are lacking. Stick with the top three and then have a flexible middle order.

Bairstow
Warner
Pandey
Garg
Sharma
Holder
Samad
Rashid
Natarajan
Khaleel

This ten, with four bowlers and two all rounders, means they could bring in an extra batter or bowler.

They could also go Nabi.

I think they'll stick with Williamson and go with Kaul or Sandeep Sharma though, if Kumar is out,

 

[Bevab]

Bairstow's got two 50s and you're dropping him?

They have got an option that could solve middle order and replace Bhuvi: Jason Holder. He got wickets and scored quickly in CPL. He's played cricket for most of the summer too which gives him a match sharpness that quite a few players are lacking. Stick with the top three and then have a flexible middle order.

Bairstow
Warner
Pandey
Garg
Sharma
Holder
Samad
Rashid
Natarajan
Khaleel

This ten, with four bowlers and two all rounders, means they could bring in an extra batter or bowler.

They could also go Nabi.

I think they'll stick with Williamson and go with Kaul or Sandeep Sharma though, if Kumar is out,

Out of all people I didn't expect an England fan to miss Yorkshire Jonny Bairstow.

I don't agree with Holder. He has a terrible IPL record and isn't a good T20 cricketer either. But if he did have a good run in the CPL (which I didn't follow much) he might be worth having in for a game to see how he does given the match fitness he does have. Still wouldn't be my call though.

 

[Bevab]

Rajpoot being dropped today is a shocking decision! His problem is bowling in the powerplay. Utilize him as a death bowler primarily. Drop Unadkat instead who has done nothing useful in three seasons.

 

[Ashutosh.]

I think Uthappa should open with Yashasvi. Uthappa was a consistent run scorer for KKR. Smith and Buttler will perform well in middle order too. Dropping Yashasvi from Playing XI is a very foolish decision.

Uthappa
Yashasvi
Smith
Samson
Buttler
Stokes/Curran
Tewatia
Parag/Ankit
Archer
Gopal
Unadkat

 

[Bevab]

People are putting on a whole hearted bash on CSK and it's easy to do that. The entire balance of that team went for a toss the moment Raina pulled out. Imagine the other 6 franchises without-

Kohli
Samson
KL Rahul
Pant
Dinesh Karthik
Manish Pandey

I think it's okay to criticise their approach in a chase, but I think you need to keep things in perspective as well. I mean Sam Curran is playing less than 10 balls per innings? That's nonsense. Do not count them out.

It was unfortunate but Raina would not have made a significant difference IMO. He seemed to be declining already last season and I wouldn't have expected him to play match winning knocks after a year and a half of no competitive cricket at all (Dhoni at least played a WC and look how scratchy he himself has been with a lack of confidence). He would have been what I call a 'supporting act' to Rayudu or Faf's match-winning performance. An improvement over Jadhav for sure but what Chennai needs right now is another match-winner alongside Faf. The one time Rayudu contributed? Chennai won. I've always maintained that a successful IPL franchise needs a very good Indian batsman or else their bowling to fire on all cylinders with an overseas star carrying the batting. Chennai have put all their eggs in the latter basket but they do not have the quality of a 2018 SRH team to accomplish that.

 

[Bevab]

I think Uthappa should open with Yashasvi. Uthappa was a consistent run scorer for KKR. Smith and Buttler will perform well in middle order too. Dropping Yashasvi from Playing XI is a very foolish decision.

Uthappa
Yashasvi
Smith
Samson
Buttler
Stokes/Curran
Tewatia
Parag/Ankit
Archer
Gopal
Unadkat

Uthappa is a shadow of his former self who was already poor for Kolkata in the last two seasons. He shouldn't be opening when you've got a top five T20 opener in Buttler. In addition Buttler is totally ineffective on most days in the middle order. His playing style is based on getting boundaries in the powerplay, rotating strike in the middle overs and hitting the ball at the death after settling in. With how important it has been shown to have a settled batsman in the death overs, it is a no brainer to have Buttler primed to launch in that phase. His dismissals are more unfortunate rather than him being out of form given how he has timed the ball. I expect him to get back into form.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Uthappa is a shadow of his former self who was already poor for Kolkata in the last two seasons. He shouldn't be opening when you've got a top five T20 opener in Buttler. In addition Buttler is totally ineffective on most days in the middle order. His playing style is based on getting boundaries in the powerplay, rotating strike in the middle overs and hitting the ball at the death after settling in. With how important it has been shown to have a settled batsman in the death overs, it is a no brainer to have Buttler primed to launch in that phase. His dismissals are more unfortunate rather than him being out of form given how he has timed the ball. I expect him to get back into form.

Both Warner and Buttler cost me big time in FC.
I am still very much hopeful

 

[asprin]

I knew that Hyderabad fans had a reputation for pessimism and reverse jinxing but this is really on another level.

Calling the Garg/Abishek performances a one-off is extremely harsh on them. Garg is one of India's brightest talents with the bat at the moment while Abhishek has already provided a similar cameo for Delhi. Tewatia in contrast never had such a performance before in the IPL and hell, nobody else has ever played that badly and then suddenly sprung into life either. In addition that was on a stamp size ground unlike the partnership yesterday which was on a much bigger ground. Their inexperience is the only worry to be had and that can be rectified when you've got personalities like Warner and Williamson in the dressing room. In any case, Rashid Khan is a superb hitter down the order too who could realistically bat at seven.

Which team has a strong domestic middle order batsman in any case? Hardik for Mumbai and DK for Kolkata are the only ones I would call quality at the moment and the latter has not been as good as he was in previous seasons. Dhoni for Chennai maybe if you're willing to excuse his old school approach? There is no real world class Indian middle order batsman out there because such a player does not genuinely exist! In reality, there is a certain player who has done a handy job at six for India in T20Is and last I checked he was still in the colours of the orange side...

Death bowling is another thing that I haven't seen any side nail down particularly well consistently. The ones that I have seen bowl well all have utilized the strength of their bowlers and masked any potential weaknesses with solid plans (think Rajpoot bowling wide yorkers and Natarajan going for yorkers of his own). Poor death bowling has been a result of dew and a settled batsman who plays till the end and sees the cricket ball as a beach ball. Khaleel's form and Bhuvi's fitness are the biggest concerns for your side at the moment, I would back a Williamson and Warner duo (the latter already seemed to appreciate input from Williamson last match) to restrict the opposition if needed. The fifth bowler is a big concern though which I've already mentioned previously. The only remedy would be to drop one of Samad or Abhishek for Nadeem.

It is obvious why you would want Pandey to bat at three given how atrocious he was two years ago at four and five but for the sake of the side I would still make him bat at six or even five. He genuinely seemed to play a lot better for India at six once he started gaining experience and on the bigger grounds I think his placement and strike rotation with the lack of accuracy from bowlers due to dew could be a huge factor. In any case, you would have the cushion of three hitters in Abishek, Samad and Rashid to make up for any potential slow innings that Pandey plays. Another argument is the number of match winning innings that Pandey will contribute at three. With Kane at three, you have someone who was the orange cap holder in 2018 and has a proven history of making match winning contributions on a consistent basis. Pandey on the other hand? I remember just two such performances from him last season that I would call match-winning and Hyderabad unfortunately lost both of them (not his fault). In addition all of his good knocks last season came in a run of four consecutive games and I don't think relying on him to suddenly conjure up match winning knocks is a solid plan.

On the contrary, Garg is the type of player who works best at three or four. I would play him at four given his experience there for UP and his skillset. His inexperience in the death overs could be a potential worry and I would rather have Pandey in place of him down at five or six.

TL;DR play Garg at four, have Pandey down the order and I guarantee that Hyderabad will have a perfectly functioning batting order.

YJB
Warner
Kane
Garg
Manish/Samad
Samad/Manish
Abhishek

Fair enough, I'll respond to those as soon as I'm PC

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Padikkal.

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Padikkal.

Lol Jinxed him.

But he has done his job.

Now only if RCB batters can make this exciting by taking it to the last over by throwing their wickets away. (highly unlikely with both Kohli & ABD on strike).

 

[Pinch hitter]

Before IPL start, I might bet on Kohli or AB for 3 fifties out 4 match, but Padikkal is really become a surprise player for RCB... He already made in retain list for RCB in coming years...

 

[Bevab]

RCB should not make the same mistake with Padikkal and retain him at all costs. There is only one way in the future for this lad and it is most certainly upward.

Pleased to see Lomror impress despite his playing style not really being suited to T20. Playing in the middle order for Kerela and RR are two entirely different things and I hope Smith realises this and drops Uthappa sooner than later.[DOUBLEPOST=1601733440][/DOUBLEPOST]

Both Warner and Buttler cost me big time in FC.
I am still very much hopeful

Fantasy cricket this season has been extremely weird with the pricing and classification of player roles. The points system that rewards an expensive spell with one wicket over a very economical one with no wickets is a joke too.