Indian Premier League - General Discussion

[Bevab]

Morgan shouldn't be batting so low in this or any team.

This Kolkata side is full of puzzling choices. Russell at four means he needs to play with a bit more caution especially if it is obvious that the opposition has brought on their best bowler for a specific match-up against him. Karthik ahead of Morgan is not a good move at all even when he was excellent a couple of seasons ago. Narine as the opener is beyond ridiculous now. And to bring on Rana who is not the best at utilizing the powerplay at the expense of a powerplay opener in Tripathi once Narine was out is shocking. And why is he coming in as the eighth batsman? Kuldeep would have been better in that case.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

This Kolkata side is full of puzzling choices. Russell at four means he needs to play with a bit more caution especially if it is obvious that the opposition has brought on their best bowler for a specific match-up against him. Karthik ahead of Morgan is not a good move at all even when he was excellent a couple of seasons ago. Narine as the opener is beyond ridiculous now. And to bring on Rana who is not the best at utilizing the powerplay at the expense of a powerplay opener in Tripathi once Narine was out is shocking. And why is he coming in as the eighth batsman? Kuldeep would have been better in that case.

Middle order positions aren't as important as when players come in, in T20 anyway. But it does feel like they're trying to be too clever.

Morgan can play at six, but I'd see him being the key to keeping the runs ticking over and setting a platform for someone like Russell in a big run chase.

Still possible this.. Maybe i know nothing

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Morgan should be batting at six. I agree with this decision.

I was right again.

 

[Bevab]

I was right again.

Morgan at five or even four (if Russell insists on playing like his old self) would have ensured a much closer contest that KKR would have won.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Morgan at five or even four (if Russell insists on playing like his old self) would have ensured a much closer contest that KKR would have won.

Yep, surely you want Russell there for the last five overs? Start of the 16th was it Morgan and Cummins neither having faced a ball? Morgan and Tripathi gave them a chance but i think you play your best players in their most effective position.

 

[CerealKiller]

This Kolkata side is full of puzzling choices. Russell at four means he needs to play with a bit more caution especially if it is obvious that the opposition has brought on their best bowler for a specific match-up against him. Karthik ahead of Morgan is not a good move at all even when he was excellent a couple of seasons ago. Narine as the opener is beyond ridiculous now. And to bring on Rana who is not the best at utilizing the powerplay at the expense of a powerplay opener in Tripathi once Narine was out is shocking. And why is he coming in as the eighth batsman? Kuldeep would have been better in that case.

Saw the scorecard, and logged in to say every single thing you just said.

 

[Yash.]

I have 0 idea why Thampi isn't getting a go at it.

Because the last two times SRH tried him, I remember him going for over 60 in 4 overs (once went for 70)

 

[Bevab]

Because the last two times SRH tried him, I remember him going for over 60 in 4 overs (once went for 70)

It is a shame given how much potential he showed for Gujarat years ago. Still think he could turn it around in another franchise like Natarajan eventually did.

@LiveLoveABD Bairstow's presence in the lineup has to do more with him also being the only capable keeper batsman in the lineup I feel. I remember SRH's biggest weakness being Saha two years ago with the bat and he was a better batsman then compared to now. Goswami does not strike to me as a big improvement either. The biggest problem is that each SRH overseas player seems to fill in a huge hole in the playing XI such as

• Warner - captain, most consistent batsman and a fan favourite besides being an excellent opener.
  
• Bairstow - only competent keeper batsman and another world class opener who wins you games with the bat.
• Williamson - leadership alongside a cool head in the middle overs who keeps the scoring rate ticking over.
• Rashid - world class wrist spinner who takes wickets when you target him or else goes for peanuts if you choose to play him out.
• Nabi - offers a valuable fifth bowling option and is also a decent hitter in the middle order (covered by Samad and Abhishek at the moment).
  
• Stanlake - only pacer who can truly bowl quick and can threaten a batsman with short balls.
• M Marsh/Holder - only all-rounder who bowls pace (Shankar isn't anywhere near of the required quality).

This just raises questions of the long term squad building of SRH's management. It feels like SRH are just plugging whichever hole leaks the most amount of water at a moment (in the past, Williamson got benched for an overseas all-rounder or an overseas pacer while now it is Williamson who is more important than the all-rounder/pacer) in a boat filled with holes.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

It is a shame given how much potential he showed for Gujarat years ago. Still think he could turn it around in another franchise like Natarajan eventually did.

@LiveLoveABD Bairstow's presence in the lineup has to do more with him also being the only capable keeper batsman in the lineup I feel. I remember SRH's biggest weakness being Saha two years ago with the bat and he was a better batsman then compared to now. Goswami does not strike to me as a big improvement either. The biggest problem is that each SRH overseas player seems to fill in a huge hole in the playing XI such as

• Warner - captain, most consistent batsman and a fan favourite besides being an excellent opener.
  
• Bairstow - only competent keeper batsman and another world class opener who wins you games with the bat.
• Williamson - leadership alongside a cool head in the middle overs who keeps the scoring rate ticking over.
• Rashid - world class wrist spinner who takes wickets when you target him or else goes for peanuts if you choose to play him out.
• Nabi - offers a valuable fifth bowling option and is also a decent hitter in the middle order (covered by Samad and Abhishek at the moment).
  
• Stanlake - only pacer who can truly bowl quick and can threaten a batsman with short balls.
• M Marsh/Holder - only all-rounder who bowls pace (Shankar isn't anywhere near of the required quality).

This just raises questions of the long term squad building of SRH's management. It feels like SRH are just plugging whichever hole leaks the most amount of water at a moment (in the past, Williamson got benched for an overseas all-rounder or an overseas pacer while now it is Williamson who is more important than the all-rounder/pacer) in a boat filled with holes.

Goswami has turned a corner in the last 2-3 seasons. He won't make hundreds and all but he's capable of quick 30's @ 130 if he opens. I think that's all you need with Pandey and Williamson to follow. Also takes pressure off Warner and frees up an overseas spot.[DOUBLEPOST=1601756288][/DOUBLEPOST]

Because the last two times SRH tried him, I remember him going for over 60 in 4 overs (once went for 70)

Take a look at what Cummins has gone for. Take a look at what Bumrah is going for in half the games this year. The expectation that bowlers won't be clattered is unjustified. That kid has talent and every bowler will get clattered in this format.

 

[Bevab]

Goswami has turned a corner in the last 2-3 seasons. He won't make hundreds and all but he's capable of quick 30's @ 130 if he opens. I think that's all you need with Pandey and Williamson to follow. Also takes pressure off Warner and frees up an overseas spot.

Haven't followed his progress in the domestic scene over the last few years so will have to defer to your judgement of him as a Bengal fan. The last I remember was him struggling versus Chennai in the knockout games two years ago. I would still like to see them try that lineup as I think Pandey needs a kick up his backside to shake the complacency out of him which seems more and more visible even in his fielding these days and in that middle order role as the old school finisher alongside a bevy of hitters/settled top four batsman at the death he will have to perform or else get called out quickly or his lack of visible impact in most SRH innings.

 

[asprin]

Garg is one of India's brightest talents with the bat at the moment while Abhishek has already provided a similar cameo for Delhi.

I'll admit I do not keep tabs on domestic cricket, so I was not privy to that information. But I'll accept your take on him.

In any case, Rashid Khan is a superb hitter down the order too who could realistically bat at seven.

Rashid can definitely tonk it but I doubt if we can expect him to hold down the fort when required. Whatever I've seen of him, he seems to always be in a hit-out-get-out mode.

Which team has a strong domestic middle order batsman in any case?

I didn't particularly mean a established batsman of international calibre, but someone who shows promise - like Shubman Gill or Prithvi Shaw or even Sanju Samson. That kind of a player is missing in SRH.

Death bowling is another thing that I haven't seen any side nail down particularly well consistently.

Fair enough. I still feel though SRH will prove to be the weakest in this area given that Bhuvi is overly relied upon to do the job and he is bound to have bad days.

It is obvious why you would want Pandey to bat at three given how atrocious he was two years ago at four and five but for the sake of the side I would still make him bat at six or even five.

I'm undecided on this. The reason I listed Warner/Bairstow/Pandey/Williamson in order was becauese I think SRH willl continue to play him at 3 whereas I beleive Williamson is the right person for that spot. But I also kind of think having him bat at 5 or 6 will not be fruitful because he struggles to hit out from the word go. He needs time in the middle to set in and then go for big shots.

On the contrary, Garg is the type of player who works best at three or four

I genuinely hope your faith in Garg is paid off. I haven't watched him bat till date but your portrayal of him seems to suggest he is an upcoming talent.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Strange shot from Rohit Sharma to get out after hitting that six the ball prior to it. I remember that horror scenes the UAE leg of 2014 IPL for MI all of a sudden. On this ground back then we hardly managed 130 odd against Delhi. The bowlers kept it tight for Mumbai and some late strikes from Zaheer Khan made that match competitive while the bowlers got hammered from the other end in death overs due to which Mumbai lost.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Strange shot from Rohit Sharma to get out after hitting that six the ball prior to it. I remember that horror scenes the UAE leg of 2014 IPL for MI all of a sudden. On this ground back then we hardly managed 130 odd against Delhi. The bowlers kept it tight for Mumbai and some late strikes from Zaheer Khan made that match competitive while the bowlers got hammered from the other end in death overs due to which Mumbai lost.

So SKY is the difference from that day to today

 

[Bevab]

The mighty Williamson bowls!

 

[Till Valhalla]

we have Williamson who could squeeze in an over or two

told you