Indian Premier League - General Discussion

[Umair7]

Starc, Green & Cummins keep on winning

 

[Umair7]

I get your point but both Starc & Cummins want to play in IPL this year to prepare for the WC

All this money just to see Starc missing the next IPL due to injury/WC preparation/Ashes/rest/holiday...

 

[Bevab]

I get your point but both Starc & Cummins want to play in IPL this year to prepare for the WC

Pat wouldn’t miss out even otherwise, he’s a man of his word.

 

[Till Valhalla]

Look forward to KKR finishing last

16 players, 5 overseas and 6.95 left

You acting like you are new to IPl auction.

 

[Bevab]

All this money just to see Starc missing the next IPL due to injury/WC preparation/Ashes/rest/holiday...

No wonder MI went for Madushanka and Coetzee without bothering Starc too much beyond the initial price rise, they’ve learnt their lesson with Jofra.

 

[Umair7]

MI going for the kill: Madhushanka, Coetzee & Bumrah together!

 

[Viper.]

MI need an overseas batsman now to finish things up, Brevis is not a sure-shot starter, should try getting Rossouw or someone like that from unsolds or any good batter in the list. If they also manage to get some Indian quick like Tyagi it's the icing on the cake. Scary team-

Rohit
Ishan(wk)
SKY
Rossouw
Tilak
Hardik
David
Chawla
Coetzee
Behrendorff/Dilshan
Bumrah
Tyagi/Madhwal (as impact)

 

[wasteyouryouth]

MI need an overseas batsman now to finish things up, Brevis is not a sure-shot starter, should try getting Rossouw or someone like that from unsolds or any good batter in the list. If they also manage to get some Indian quick like Tyagi it's the icing on the cake. Scary team-

Rohit
Ishan(wk)
SKY
Rossouw
Tilak
Hardik
David
Chawla
Coetzee
Behrendorff/Dilshan
Bumrah
Tyagi/Madhwal (as impact)

Like Hardik won't move himself up the order

 

[CooldiPargi]

First Pandya and now him, totally unfair.

 

[SaiSrini]

Mixed feelings on the CSK performance so far - Shardul is coming back and trust me, he is a much better version of Tushar Deshpande, who was made to talk big last season by our 'strawberry farmer No. 7' But Daryl Mitchell at 14 crores. A little too high for me. Guess they are looking at him as a Moeen replacement. Rachin Ravindra is very good but how many left arm spinners do we need? This means that Mitchell Santner is going to sit out. Why the hell are we holding up Mitch Santner and why does he not want a release to another team, who can use him more? And now, we have 4 New Zealanders in our squad (Conway, Mitchell, Ravindra, Santner). Flemmo loves his New Zealand mates and why not, they bring in lot of value. Now at 11.6 crores, it has to be very frugal buys. Hoping to get a leggie somewhere, if there are any available.

24c for Starc and 20+ for Cummins? Great strategy by the foreigners to smartly make themselves unavailable for mega auctions and throw themselves back into the IPL in a mini auction, where their price tags get massively inflated. Ashwin spoke about it yesterday in his pre-auction analysis YouTube video.

 

[Viper.]

Mixed feelings on the CSK performance so far - Shardul is coming back and trust me, he is a much better version of Tushar Deshpande, who was made to talk big last season by our 'strawberry farmer No. 7' But Daryl Mitchell at 14 crores. A little too high for me. Guess they are looking at him as a Moeen replacement. Rachin Ravindra is very good but how many left arm spinners do we need? This means that Mitchell Santner is going to sit out. Why the hell are we holding up Mitch Santner and why does he not want a release to another team, who can use him more? And now, we have 4 New Zealanders in our squad (Conway, Mitchell, Ravindra, Santner). Flemmo loves his New Zealand mates and why not, they bring in lot of value. Now at 11.6 crores, it has to be very frugal buys. Hoping to get a leggie somewhere, if there are any available.

24c for Starc and 20+ for Cummins? Great strategy by the foreigners to smartly make themselves unavailable for mega auctions and throw themselves back into the IPL in a mini auction, where their price tags get massively inflated. Ashwin spoke about it yesterday in his pre-auction analysis YouTube video.

Theeka and Pathirana may not play too many games with these guys in the side. Maybe Santner over Theekshana for some games, and Daryl/Rachin play in Moeen's place (Daryl and Moeen may rotate in away and home games). CSK have a lot of options mainly. They just need to fill their OS spots with Pacers now as Pathirana is the sole fast bowler from overseas.

 

[Viper.]

My review for all the Overseas Quicks in the IPL Auction List (Im bored)

1. Gerald Coetzee - Is the big name right now, will fetch big bucks for sure, feel CSK/MI will pick him up, but not sure if he'll 100% deliver to the cost immediately considering his experience (giving away runs while taking wickets)
2. Pat Cummins - WC winning captain, should also go big in the auction. Teams like KKR will want him back in squad, and I feel RCB might target him as possible captaincy option. That even opens the door for CSK (Who Knows?)
3. Chris Woakes - Might not be the best T20 bowler and that too in India, but for teams like RR and MI who may need a No. 7 and a depth in the batting order, he could be one of the options.
4. Lockie Ferguson - Not talked about enough among top quicks in the auction since he was released. But could be a backup for any team who doesn't get Starc/Cummins/Coetzee like they wanted. Pace is Pace
5. Mitchell Starc - The last of the Big 3 pacers names in the auction but not the least. Could he have an RCB homecoming or finally play a season for KKR without withdrawing? Any team with a need for overseas pacer will go for him.
6. Josh Hazlewood - Would honestly be as valuable as Starc, Cummins but sadly not available full-season. Wonder if any team will still try to get him. If he plays 9-10 games could be worth it under 5cr.
7. Alzarri Joseph - Could be another great option for any team that doesnt have the purse for a big shot quick and need a pacer. Such as probably Mumbai Indians. Where he took his 6/12 on debut.
8. Dilshan Madushanka - Priced at 50 lakhs, he too could get a team off his WC Form. Not the most flashy option in the first set but clearly he's been hyped enough to be named this high in the list. Not a bad T20 bowler either.
9. Sean Abbott - After a long list of uncapped Indians and a few overseas batters, another quick in the list. Might not get buys though at 2 crores. Can bat 7 so a team like RR can potentially try him for that position if they trust him with the ball.
10. Wes Agar - I swear to god if he gets a bid then I don't know what to say. There are plenty of better options and don't get how he's this high up in the list.
11. Brydon Carse - Will be even weirder if he gets sold. He does have ties with SRH at SA20, but they better not use that to bid for Carse with 33 crores in their purse
12. Tom Curran - With his recent BBL form I won't even be surprised if he gets bids. Again, the No. 7 conundrum and if his bowling continues to be consistent he could be a very utility player. But still, doubt it.
13. Matthew Forde - Just debuted internationally, not getting sold unless MI do some Duan Jansen ninja shit like they did in the recent auction.
14. George Garton - Was at RCB as replacement once upon a time. But doesn't really make the cut now imo. Again he is a capable batter up till 7, but not worth it
15. Jason Holder - I would say he fits at RR but then I realise they released him. Was bought last year to fulfil the No 7 role but neither delivered with bat or ball to expectations. Might still get bids due to his ability to bring balance to the XI.
16. Jamie Overton - Is he seriously gonna get bids? Too many English domestic quicks too high here in the list
17. Keemo Paul - Once upon a time a hero for DC. But I'm not sure how good he is now. But a No. 7 option for teams who need him + a finisher from what I remember from those IPL days. If he's good.
18. Dwaine Pretorius - Best possible No. 7 option + death bowler, only issue is his age and he's retired from internationals. But at least he will be available. Should get bids for sure imo.
19. Daniel Sams - Should honestly stop getting teams by now. I don't think he's that great as a bowler alone and unless he scores really well with the bat as finisher, not worth it
20. Odean Smith - Please don't get sold. Literally awful with the ball and leaks runs at 11 RPO basically every game, but can just hit the ball really hard. Literally like a Carlos Brathwaite. But IPL teams enjoy those kind of caribbean hitters so who knows what team he'd go to.
21. David Willey - A decent choice if a team wants a powerplay bowler who can also offer lower-order batting. Can't see him starting but definitely a backup for many teams. Could get bids since he's now fully devoted to franchise cricket
22. Fareed Ahmad - Might complete the Afghan Pace Trio in IPL if he gets picked. But that's not happening. Better left armers are there easily
23. Taskin Ahmed - Can't believe he has never got sold once, he's a really improved bowler for Bangladesh, could be a great option for many teams and hope he does get bids.
24. Gus Atkinson - With the current hype and his pace, he might attract some teams honestly. But I feel IPL is too early for him. Focus on Internationals
25. Dushmantha Chameera - Around 2021-22 he could have actually got some bids , but has been injured too often and played very less to be relevant enough. Surprised, I will be, if he doesn't go unsold.
26. Ben Dwarshuis - Great BBL Bowler but I really fear for him if he plays the IPL. Could go the Meredith way or even worse. Classic PBKS buy (Fun Fact: He was in KXIP Squad, 2018)
27. Richard Gleeson - I don't know honestly. Looked decent for England but why him of all players? He's pretty old anyway. Unsold.
28. Matt Henry - Has barely played T20Is for NZ. Teams will bid if they want international experience but can't mix formats. Don't think Henry fits in a T20 IPL Team Today.
29. Shoriful Islam - Another improved Bangladeshi Bowler and left armer. But dont think he will honestly get bids now, but who knows
30. Kyle Jamieson - I might be wrong but he is NOT a T20 bowler. Plenty better options. Leave him to his red ball heroics, but that 15cr buy in 2021 was a disaster and he shouldn't get sold now either.
31. Spencer Johnson - Another target for PBKS to replicate Meredith and Jhye. His pace could be attractive plus he already has ties with KKR in the MLC. Might be the BBL star pick for this year's auction if teams want him.
32. Chris Jordan - No. He's jumped from RCB to SRH to KXIP to CSK to MI, and now it's enough. Literally terrible T20 bowler now.
33. Lahiru Kumara - Not even a great choice for SL, leaks runs too often. He's surely, surely going unsold
34. Obed McCoy - So unbelievably low in the list. So much better than so many people I've listed. He was good for RR at the death in his debut season and done well for WI in T20Is. Should be a great backup pick for any team at a low price.
35. Riley Meredith - Has somehow played for both PBKS and MI, but I reckon there are much better players than him here. Should get sold only if the pace obsession is still on and even then Spencer is a better choice.
36. Tymal Mills - Has he really improved? I always thought he was another run machine with the ball. Didn't really work out for MI either recently so unsold I guess
37. Adam Milne - Another hidden gem down the list. Surely a better option than most of the express quicks here. If only he doesn't get injured, surely a backup choice for many teams. Could see RR get him with Shane Bond in the personnel now.
38. Lance Morris - Another pace sensation like Spencer but his hype isn't even in T20 cricket. He's got selected only in Red Ball for Australia, so if he gets picked it's again crazy pace obsession.
39. Blessing Muzarabani - Could have got bids in the last few auctions but seems like teams don't have interest in him. Hasn't done anything in particular recently, so probably unsold again.
40. Richard Ngarava - Not better than Blessing, but his record in T20Is in 2023 has been incredible. This could honestly make him more wanted. But still feel he's far behind others to get sold.
41. Wayne Parnell - Possibly good option and I see teams going for him if they need a left-armer plus a batting option. Could be one of RR's targets. Not in his prime though
42. Mustafizur Rahman - He's fallen off a cliff seeing how low his name is. Sure choice for a decent price if this was a few years ago. But still, he will probably get sold as backup or for teams without big purses. MI could get the guy back in their colours.
43. Jhye Richardson - The man who fetched 14cr in 2021. He should honestly be way higher if he wasn't so injured and played so little due to that. Would be one of the most valuable picks even now otherwise. If he stays fit, teams should go for him as backup.
44. Ollie Robinson - I have never heard of him playing T20 cricket. And it does not start in the IPL. Unsold please.
45. George Scrimshaw - From making ODI debut to being in IPL Player List he's come a long way in no time. But on par with Carse and Gleeson, why him ??
46. Tim Southee - What did Southee do to be lower than the likes of Scrimshaw and Ollie Robinson I don't know. He's also much better than Jamieson and Henry in T20s who were much above. Considering he still starts for NZ in T20Is, and ignoring his past IPL Record, he could get bids. Honestly feel he doesn't get much time in IPL as he deserves
47. Billy Stanlake - Haven't even seen him in BBL for 1.5 years. Don't know how good he is now but he wasn't that great before either, apart from the 2018 Peak. Not gonna get sold
48. Olly Stone - Another pace sensation but again I've not seen him much in LOIs (though I know he has played) and he gets injured a lot too. Not a player I'd see any IPL team target in particular
49. Oshane Thomas - He isn't that good from what I've heard, he was around a lot in 2018 and 2019 and recently got recalled for WI but I doubt he's getting an IPL Contract without anything special
50. Nuwan Thushara - Only thing I know about this dude is I've seen him in 2021 SL T20I Squads. No idea how good he is, but he's clearly not first choice for SL. If even Chameera struggles to get sold, he's not even gonna raise a bid.
51. Lizaad Williams - More exciting options are there and to put it simply, Unsold.
52. Luke Wood - If teams obsess over random England players, he could get a bid. Better choice than Carse, Scrimshaw and the likes. But would again be a very obscure pick. Unsold for me.
53. Corbin Bosch - I remember him being a hard hitter and bowler in CPL. Don't know how good he is now. Actually got an RR contract replacing NCN in 2022. if RR really were looking at him, he'd be a pretty good choice now actually.
54. Duan Jansen - Got an MI gig last year but since MI released him (which I didn't expect after they placed faith on him when he's uncapped), don't think other teams will really get him. SRH should honestly do it for the vibes and bowl Jansens from both ends. You don't know which one is bowling in which end.
55. Ottniel Baartman - A more exciting SA uncapped bowler for sure. Did great for SREC, so he already has good links with Sunrisers. But don't think he's IPL level yet, so should go unsold.
56. Nandre Burger - Another prospect from SA, uncapped and fast bowler. Has ties with CSK as he played for Joburg. So another similar case, if CSK really wanna nurture him in this level too, they could make a base price pick if no one contests.
57. Shamar Joseph - I don't know who he is at all. So no opinion here. I guess Unsold.
58. Kwena Maphaka - Youngest guy in the Auction I heard. Will be huge if he gets sold but I don't think that's happening. It's cool he actually made it to the final shortlist, wanna see what he can do.
59. Will O'Rourke - Young NZ pacer I guess, he's done well in NZ domestic but he's not getting sold here
60. Paul van Meekeren - Last one, but surely not the least. Unbelievably lowly placed cause he's an associate bowler ?? I'm glad he's made the list honestly, and I'd be happy to see him go to a team. And it won't be the worst thing ever, and he can be a great backup. But most likely, unsold.

And I'm done. Spent 45 minutes in the night after studying the whole day, felt satisfying. Let me know thoughts

Seeing this list of mine, CSK could go for Milne/Holder/McCoy/Mustafizur/Taskin for their other overseas pacer spot. And also yikes, we're only 8/60 pacers done from this list

 

[Bevab]

Mixed feelings on the CSK performance so far - Shardul is coming back and trust me, he is a much better version of Tushar Deshpande, who was made to talk big last season by our 'strawberry farmer No. 7' But Daryl Mitchell at 14 crores. A little too high for me. Guess they are looking at him as a Moeen replacement. Rachin Ravindra is very good but how many left arm spinners do we need? This means that Mitchell Santner is going to sit out. Why the hell are we holding up Mitch Santner and why does he not want a release to another team, who can use him more? And now, we have 4 New Zealanders in our squad (Conway, Mitchell, Ravindra, Santner). Flemmo loves his New Zealand mates and why not, they bring in lot of value. Now at 11.6 crores, it has to be very frugal buys. Hoping to get a leggie somewhere, if there are any available.

24c for Starc and 20+ for Cummins? Great strategy by the foreigners to smartly make themselves unavailable for mega auctions and throw themselves back into the IPL in a mini auction, where their price tags get massively inflated. Ashwin spoke about it yesterday in his pre-auction analysis YouTube video.

I’ll copy the lineup I expect from our side that I posted in discord originally.

Gaikwad
Conway
Rahane
Mitchell
Dube
Jadeja
Dhoni
Thakur
Chahar
Theekshana/Overseas pacer
Pathirana/Overseas pacer

Now coming onto your points…

Thakur for just four crores is quite good IMO. I think it’ll spur him on to perform better too given that the next year there’s a mega auction and a good performance will get him back to the big deals he was getting previously. Agreed that he’s a much better version of Deshpande for what he does even if he’s a tad slower.

The Mitchell fee in isolation may seem steep but I think that’s because we’re trained to look at any deal or value for money in that manner. I would normally be doubtful of it too given that it would limit our future auction purse but in this case there is a mega auction next year so I don’t mind us getting the trio of Rachin, Thakur and Mitchell for less than 20 crores. It’s the same logic that I’m seeing SRH fans employ with the package deal of Cummins, Hasaranga and Head costing less than 30 crores as a whole.

Mitchell does have the potential to justify his high fee. He is one of the few batters out there that you could legitimately call world class in at least two if not all three formats (it’s funny that we also have Conway who has the same moniker). He’s a reliable hitter of spin and can go hard in the middle overs if need be and is also capable of batting through the innings while providing a power packed finish at the end. I don’t think a number four role suits him the best since I would want him facing more deliveries than your usual number four but he’s still more than capable of playing in that role. I think he’s better suited to providing what we were expecting from Stokes last season and we won the IPL without him contributing and costing us more last season.

You’re definitely looking at Ravindra in the wrong way if you see him as a like for like with Santner (Gary Stead would be proud). The latter is a bowling all-rounder whilst Ravindra is a batting all-rounder, he shouldn’t be batting below four ideally. His career numbers in this format may not reflect that but it is because he’s been mismanaged by the NZ team and because he hasn’t been exposed to as much T20 due to him being shoehorned as a long format player. He’s got a lot of potential and raw talent that may not come through this season but may benefit us in the future if he comes back to us. It’s a bit unfortunate that we’ll lose him next season barring a miracle season from him this time but I don’t expect him to play much unless Conway and/or Mitchell are missing/suffering from a terrible run of form.

A wrist spinner would be great, it’s remarkable that we’ve won two titles without such an essential role in the side but I think we’re better off signing an overseas quick for the last spot (and it seems the team thinks that way too given we’ve targeted Coetzee and Joseph). From the profile of their targets so far it seems like they have a lot of faith in Pathirana due to how he stepped up last season to be the incumbent or at least play a different role irrespective of the new signing. I’ve seen him fail to replicate that success for Sri Lanka ever since last season but we know that a certain keeper has his ways with wayward bowlers and making them perform beyond their consistency levels. A domestic wrist spinner would be nice but I’m not sure if we’ll be able to get the other Ashwin for cheap. Since he’s technically not a Tamil Nadu player maybe they’ll actually sign him?

 

[Bevab]

Theeka and Pathirana may not play too many games with these guys in the side. Maybe Santner over Theekshana for some games, and Daryl/Rachin play in Moeen's place (Daryl and Moeen may rotate in away and home games). CSK have a lot of options mainly. They just need to fill their OS spots with Pacers now as Pathirana is the sole fast bowler from overseas.

Seeing this list of mine, CSK could go for Milne/Holder/McCoy/Mustafizur/Taskin for their other overseas pacer spot. And also yikes, we're only 8/60 pacers done from this list

It’s extremely unlikely we’ll abandon Pathirana unless he plays as badly as he does with Sri Lanka for us. There’s no domestic player that can do what he does where as we’ve got other domestic options that can do a poor man’s job of those overseas players.

I’m bemused as to why you continually ignore the best pacer in Matt Henry from your list in these discussions , he’s a class apart from every suggestion you’ve made there other than Taskin who won’t be available thanks to the BCB anyways.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

According to you, who has had the best auction so far?