India's tour of Australia - December/January 2015

I really don't see what's wrong with asking your spinner to contain on days 1-3 outside Asia and attack on days 4-5 with the pitch deteriorating, the fact of the matter is whenever there's been a pitch with some turn on offer during our current run of away Tests Ashwin has been on the bench, Jo'burg, Trent Bridge and Adelaide to name some examples.

R Ashwin's containment act does stop the opposition from getting to 300 in 50 overs, but it does not stop them from posting 300 in 75. If I were the captain, I'd expect my lead bowlers to provide me with the breakthroughs to stop the opposition from reaching 300 altogether. If you are of the mindset that the opposition takes 25 more overs and that way you end up saving the game- I really wonder how this falls under the definition of 'pragmatic'. Acts like these done by captains of Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan is understandable as their main aim itself is to draw the game. India- we expect you to go for the win, not draws.

According to you, if the pitch if flat, the teams should score in excess of 1000 ? i.e if the pitch does not offer the bowlers any assistance, should you sit back and relax and let things take their own course ?

No matter how good or bad the pitch is, a good spinner ought to take a few wickets. Thats the mark of a good bowler. Consider the other situation wherein the batsman is on a difficult batting track. What should he do ? Leave all deliveries and end up scoring 30 runs till the end of the day ?

Also, there are times when you require your bowlers to play the containment act, but that ought to be limited to a session or two, not all abroad Test matches.
 
He could've been given more chances, except Ashwin broke onto the scene and did better than him in home Tests consistently, but regardless Mishra only looked good in 1 series vs Australia in 2008 I think it was, the rest he was either dreadful or even worse.

Judging a bowler on the basis of a single series just does not seem right. Ashwin came onto the scene,got more matches. Why ? I dont know,but there is a strong correlation between CSK and Team India of late.

As you have mentioned, he could have been given more chances. The question we need to ask is- Why was he not ? And when he wasn't given a chance to prove himself, why drop him ?
 
^^ CSK's players are better than the others thats why they play in Team India.

Jadeja ( :tick: ) Vijay ( :tick: ) Raina ( :tick: ) dhoni ( :tick:)

I will :tick: Ashwin too because I feel for this Guy because he was On the Bench in Adelaide,Trent B & J'burg tests.
 
Judging a bowler on the basis of a single series just does not seem right. Ashwin came onto the scene,got more matches. Why ? I dont know,but there is a strong correlation between CSK and Team India of late.

As you have mentioned, he could have been given more chances. The question we need to ask is- Why was he not ? And when he wasn't given a chance to prove himself, why drop him ?
If Virat was the captain, there would have been a strong correlation between RCB and Team India.
It's only a matter of 'which player does the captain trust more'. For an example, during early days of the Indian team, almost all 15 players were from Mumbai. That was because the captain, coach, selecters were from Mumbai.
 
Vijay ( :tick: )
Vijay isn't a CSKian anymore since IPL7. He was bought by Delhi this season mate, he is in he Indian side just because of his talent and perfection better than Dhoni in test cricket. Thought he isn't picked in ODIs and T20Is as he isn't the best to be picked over another one in the team.
Jadeja ( :tick: )
I believe Axar is far more better than Jadeja (just need to be tested in :os: matches)
Raina ( :tick: ) dhoni ( :tick:)
I believe that they are slightly overrated.
 
Vijay isn't a CSKian anymore since IPL7. He was bought by Delhi this season mate.
:facepalm
I believe Axar is far more better than Jadeja (just need to be tested in :os: matches)
And why You believe so.....?? Please be kind And Pour Some of Your Precious Knowledge On this . :)

I believe that Dhoni & Raina are slightly overrated.
Ohh....And Again Why you think So :)

Please Be Kind And throw some Knowledge on our Face :)
 
Stop bashing him. I too believe Axar (he is Akshar, actually) is a better 'allround' option because he is more mature with his batting approach. I've seen him very closely ever since he made it into the university team. He's a special talent but bowling wise he has been flat over the last year or so. Maybe T20 has to do with that. If he can get back the temperament and starts flighting the ball and giving it a loop again as he used to he is a much better allrounder for test matches. Bowling flat may have helped him keep the scoring rate down but he hasn't been able to pick enough wickets due to that. As far as ODIs are concerned, Jadeja is a better man. He is a cleaner hitter of the ball and bowls wicket to wicket.

Jesal Karia and Rush Kalaria are two other good allrounder who are coming up good but they are for the future. Jadeja shouldn't be anywhere near the test team especially as a bowler. If India have to pick a spinner other than Ashwin, it has to be Ojha. He is so consistent at bowling on and around the off stump channel to the right handers which is a very attacking line and that gives us more chance to pick up wickets.
 
R Ashwin's containment act does stop the opposition from getting to 300 in 50 overs, but it does not stop them from posting 300 in 75. If I were the captain, I'd expect my lead bowlers to provide me with the breakthroughs to stop the opposition from reaching 300 altogether. If you are of the mindset that the opposition takes 25 more overs and that way you end up saving the game- I really wonder how this falls under the definition of 'pragmatic'. Acts like these done by captains of Bangladesh, Zimbabwe and Afghanistan is understandable as their main aim itself is to draw the game. India- we expect you to go for the win, not draws.
Well if Ashwin or any other spinner did the containment act well then there would be one end held up from which I can rotate my 3 pacers around from, they're the ones I'm banking on to take the majority of wickets days 1-3 in Tests outside Asia, this is pragmatic because you're understanding who and what will get the maximum out of the pitch and putting all your efforts accordingly to maximize the potential of success.

Shami spoke about this after the 1st day where he praised Ashwin for giving the pacers the opportunity to attack more from the other end than they would've been able to otherwise if he hadn't kept it so tight and built pressure, and you can still get wickets playing the containment act, Ashwin got 3 in the 1st innings.
According to you, if the pitch if flat, the teams should score in excess of 1000 ? i.e if the pitch does not offer the bowlers any assistance, should you sit back and relax and let things take their own course ?
Absurd conclusion/question. Spinner contains on days 1-3 (hoping for the pitch to deteriorate on days 4-5) and the pacers keep it wicket to wicket on a off stump line, while using the odd bouncer and a full pitched ball on 4th/5th stump, if/when the ball starts to reverse swing, line and length can be altered.
No matter how good or bad the pitch is, a good spinner ought to take a few wickets. Thats the mark of a good bowler. Consider the other situation wherein the batsman is on a difficult batting track. What should he do ? Leave all deliveries and end up scoring 30 runs till the end of the day ?
Also, there are times when you require your bowlers to play the containment act, but that ought to be limited to a session or two, not all abroad Test matches.
Another absurd conclusion/question. I'm not even going to glorify it by answering it this time.


Again, spinners outside Asia for the most part have to contain in the 1st innings and hope the pitch deteriorates in the 2nd innings.
Judging a bowler on the basis of a single series just does not seem right. Ashwin came onto the scene,got more matches. Why ? I dont know,but there is a strong correlation between CSK and Team India of late.
Because management must've thought he was better, and ofc, he is and his record proves it.
As you have mentioned, he could have been given more chances. The question we need to ask is- Why was he not ? And when he wasn't given a chance to prove himself, why drop him ?
Because there was Harbhajan, Ojha and Ashwin, all better, all around the team.
 
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^^ CSK's players are better than the others thats why they play in Team India.

Jadeja ( :tick: ) Vijay ( :tick: ) Raina ( :tick: ) dhoni ( :tick:)

I will :tick: Ashwin too because I feel for this Guy because he was On the Bench in Adelaide,Trent B & J'burg tests.

Lol. If you rate our players on the basis of major factors like oversea performance and consistency in all three format then Kohli, Rahane and Bhuvi must top the list and not your CSKians.:3

I believe that they are slightly overrated.

That's false. Raina always been the best with his chances that he get in ODIs and Twenty20. Everyone has to admit that he's our best fielder in the era. Dhoni is far better than others as a Captain to win us many trophies plus both home and away series in ODIs. What one would think about Dhoni's captaincy record in oversea tests, is nothing but blame Dhoni. But it's not his fault to have an inconsistence side that loves to fail in the games outside the subcontinent. Even England, New Zealand, Australia have not been able to maintain their winning record away from the home(most probably in subcontinent conditions). But what we Indian do, is alway neglect the facts but criticize your own national team players who does not belong to the IPL team they support.:facepalm
 
Looking forward to see KL Rahul batting.He would most probably come in at 6 in this test.But if he performs I am sure he may open the innings with Vijay in the next test with Raina coming in at 7(if Dhawan fails in the 2nd innings as well,which may happen most probably ).
 
So Cricket Australia has filed an unofficial complaint about the practice wickets after David Warner got hit in the nets yesterday. Absolutely no reaction but when India did the same thing last test match, it was all over the news. Super work!

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