India's tour of Australia - December/January 2015

our lst test in brisbane 1st Test: Australia v India at Brisbane, Dec 4-8, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

and this one

2nd Test: Australia v India at Brisbane, Dec 17-20, 2014 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

truth is vijay played a beaut like ganguly did...

as for aus scoring 500 it was down to bad bowling and good batting from smith and mitch


even in the second innings aus were down 6 wickets if our ishy could do that you can imagine the state of pitch.

another thing is good for batting is not flat i would say. even gabba is scorable the first two days relative to the next three. as history shows.
 
One of the views of this series- it was unlike a tour Down Under- lacked the kind of pitches that you'd normally get in Australia. Pitches being flat,a lot of runs were scored and one would have expected India to win at least a game. It was not to be Blame must be put on the bowlers for sure. Although ,I'd not shy away from blaming a few batsmen here.

For me the stand out performers were Vijay, Kohli & Rahane. Among the bowlers, Ashwin played the card of containment well ,but was unable to take wickets. Ishant did well in the patches and was unable to sustain himself throughout.

Questions ought to be raised upon the technique of Dhawan & Rohit here. Despite repeated opportunities,they fail to hold on to them. Most of the articles in newspapers today talk about getting in a new bowling line-up and I totally agree with that. Perhaps, India could even field a different set of bowlers at home and abroad.

This having said, I am taking nothing away from the Aussies who did dominate most of the games and were deserved winners in the end with 2-0. But, I just have a feeling that they missed a few tricks,esp the Melbourne game wherein they could have declared slightly earlier, maybbe Steve Smith got a bit defensive. Just ,maybe...
 
^New bowling line up? Please do mention a few who you think deserve a shot instead of these bowlers. If you go by Ranji stats, players like Vinay Kumar, Joginder Sharma average <25 in domestic circuit.

Truth is, this is the best set of bowlers we have. They just need proper guidance. I just can't get this, BCCI with all the resources it has, can't hire a decent bowling coach. You have Trevor Penny, B Arun etc, clearly under them the bowlers aren't showing any progress.

I read Shane Bond is going to leave NZ post World cup. Now that is someone BCCI can hire. He's done a brilliant job with the NZ quicks.
 
I dont know how a game can end so close on a fl

That was a memorable game. Dada's hundred and his celebration on scoring that hundred really set the ton for the series.

And about the whole flat thing. I think the issue is, the word flat is being misused. Two theories:

1. Its become fashionable to call wickets that assist batsmen more than bowlers flat. Instead, a flat wicket would be one which helps ONLY batsmen. And would be impossible to produce a result on (unlike this series)

2. People had this set expectations after the Ashes series, that Indians would be made to jump around by Johnson and crew's fireballs. The fireballs were there, but Indian batsmen actually tackled the short ball really well in this series. Kohli and Rahane were especially excellent. Much better than the English batsmen. So that expected chin music just never happened[DOUBLEPOST=1420965112][/DOUBLEPOST]
Most of the articles in newspapers today talk about getting in a new bowling line-up and I totally agree with that. Perhaps, India could even field a different set of bowlers at home and abroad.

Who would form this new bowling line up ? As mohitdude said - the guys need proper guidance and a good coach, instead of being discarded after one series for a new set of bowlers who will eventually end up like the current crop
 
Who would form this new bowling line up ? As mohitdude said - the guys need proper guidance and a good coach, instead of being discarded after one series for a new set of bowlers who will eventually end up like the current crop

Not the present crop of bowlers for sure. I am all for guidance and coaching, but it must be done at the domestic level. This learn and make it up as you go along attitude cannot work at Int'l level. Its not that the Int'l stage is bereft of learning opportunities, but its definitely not the place where a bowler has to learn to bowl line and lenght, to not bowl too short, or in ODIs to bowl yorkers. Those things must already be in a bowlers bag of basic skills when he plays Int'l cricket.

In the case of Indian bowlers its these basic skills that they have totally failed to demonstrate. They have no clue what the right length to bowl is, or if they know, then they have no idea how to execute it, have consistently bowled too short, on both sides of the wicket, making it impossible to set a field, and have not bowled good deliveries enough to take wickets on a regular basis. The odd good delivery every 5 overs is not going to get you too many wickets at the Int'l level.

I am all for providing them a good support staff, but the basics of bowling they must already know. They cannot come here with just one skillset, and then learn things there. All our bowlers have one skillset, Umesh and Varun - Pace, no clue about line and length, bowl short and on both sides of the wicket. Md. Shami - Can reverse swing the ball, but then again, bowls short too often, and on both sides. Ishant - I don't even know what his skillset is, but he has the same problems as everyone else.

They need to go back to domestic cricket or the Pace Foundation, and get their act together.

Last year in SA we had to build a totally new team. We had no openers, no middle order, except Kohli and Pujara we had high hopes from, and no fixed bowling unit. One year later after a tough test run, we definitely have one opener, perhaps have found a second too in Rahul we will wait and see, though. Kohli has proven himself, Rahane has stepped up. Pujara we know will get there. Sure we lost one of the most successful wicket keepers in test cricket ever, with the 5th highest ever dismissal in history, but I dont think a keeper will be that hard to find.

However where has our bowling gone. Its gone totally backwards. Ashwin did have a good last test, but he has been largely ineffective. Bhuvi has looked excellent when the conditions have helped, but I guess that is true of all bowlers. All said and done, he is the only one who has at any point in this run, looked excellent, albeit on the back of helpful conditions.

Ishant, yes there was that spell at Lord's and for that he should never again have to buy drinks in India for the rest of his life. However all the signs that Ishant, was coming around in Eng, was thrown away in Aus. He looked like he could barely get into an Aus domestic side, let along be playing Int'l cricket.

Md. Shami yes there was the 5 wicket haul, but there are match winning/changing 5 wicket hauls, and then there are 5 wicket hauls the kind that Shami took. Barely even left a footnote in the match. Has not performed in this entire run, and needs to be dropped. Umesh and Varun, need some serious work. I think Varun's delivery to get Moen Ali bowled, was the ball of the Indian Test Run. However Umesh and Varun need to be given some guidance, but it cannot be at the highest level. They need to get their bowling sorted first.

When one lot fails, then naturally the next lot has to be given a run. Which means bring on the Mohit Sharm's and Dhawal Kulkarni's of the world.
 
As if we have too many international quality bowlers coming up for us to replace one set of bowlers with another.
 
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As if we have too many international quality bowlers coming up for us to replace one set of bowlers with another.

No, but we have another set of fast bowlers to replace a set of tried and failed fast bowlers. What is your suggestion, keep playing this failed lot for eternity.
 
No, but we have another set of fast bowlers to replace a set of tried and failed fast bowlers. What is your suggestion, keep playing this failed lot for eternity.
Please name the 4-5 bowlers we have in that second set of seamers.
 
Please name the 4-5 bowlers we have in that second set of seamers.

Are u fking serious? Do you really think that apart from the clowns, or to be kinder bowlers who gave clown like performances, that were on tour to Aus, namely Umesh, Varun, Ishant and Shami, there are no more fast bowlers in India?

There are 27 teams that play ranji trophy, and all them have atleast 3 seamers playing. That gives you at set of 81 fast bowlers to go. Do you really think that the selectors cannot come up with 4 names from the 81 other bowlers that are playing in Indian Domestic Cricket, as replacements for the aforementioned bowlers. How hard do you think it is, Einstein? Or are u actually trying to say that these 4 have been so brilliant, that they are irreplaceable?

Just look at the 81 bowlers, see which of them is best four, and pick them. No point in sticking to the ones that have failed over and over again.

Also to further add, Mohit and Kulkarni have been on the fringes for a long while and its obvious that when those ahead of them in the pecking order don't deliver, the next in line must be given opportunities. Those two are definitely worth looking at.

Rishi Dhawan of HP, is another interesting prospect, who so far this season is the leading wicket taker in Ranjis, having picked up 49 wickets at an avg of just 20 from 8 matches. Aged just 24 he could be given an opportunity. In the 38 ranji matches so far he has picked up 171 wickets at an excellent avg of 24.

Another good prospect is Jasprit Bumrah of Gujrat. Aged just 21, he has taken 38 wickets this season, in 8 games, at an avg of 21.

These are some options worth trying out, and one cannot stick to tried over and over again and failed. Bumrah and Dhawan seem like good options, why not give them a go.
 
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If someone like Rohit still makes the team, then surely we can invest more time and effort on our current crop of pacers. They have shown skill and talent in patches. Just havent been consistent with their line and length. A little bit of disciplined coaching can do wonders on them

I dont see the point of discarding right away and replacing them with the 125-130kph bowlers which infest our domestic setup
 
SCG pitch fluctuates - some years it like sub continent turner, sometimes its a road, sometimes a seamer. MCG same - but Brisbane is never so flat, so at bretting suggested groundsmen in Brisbane, MCG, SCG could have probably prepared surfaces that may
our lst test in brisbane 1st Test: Australia v India at Brisbane, Dec 4-8, 2003 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

and this one

2nd Test: Australia v India at Brisbane, Dec 17-20, 2014 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

truth is vijay played a beaut like ganguly did...

as for aus scoring 500 it was down to bad bowling and good batting from smith and mitch


even in the second innings aus were down 6 wickets if our ishy could do that you can imagine the state of pitch.

another thing is good for batting is not flat i would say. even gabba is scorable the first two days relative to the next three. as history shows.

The Gabba this year series was the flattest since the last time IND was here in 2003 or maybe the final 2 days of the 2010 Ashes gabba test. Their was talk of AUS possibly unleashing 4 quicks in 1st test b4 hughes death and reschedule, that idea was quickly shelved. Fact is compared to the conditions last summer, this series was not as helpful to bowlers. IND was getting 4-0 if it was...
 
All i will say is if the pitches were actually flat tracks we have some Great FTBs in the form of dhawan and rohit, MSD to an extent and would have taken apart this attack in no time. when vijay, kohli or rahane get going they will succeed irrespective of conditions.

If at all there was a difference the scoreline would have been same or may actually have won if you give more spice to our bowling attack.

and this

quoting abijacko "People had this set expectations after the Ashes series, that Indians would be made to jump around by Johnson and crew's fireballs. The fireballs were there, but Indian batsmen actually tackled the short ball really well in this series. Kohli and Rahane were especially excellent. Much better than the English batsmen. So that expected chin music just never happened"

im sure watching a dismantled Cook and ENG line up is bound to give illusions of an unplayable pitch.
 
For one, I would definitely want the selectors to induct Ishwar Pandey into the test squad. He is one guy who is known for accuracy than speed and is tall, but yet he can stay on the 135'ish range. Probably Yadav will be the guy who loses his place.
 
Are u fking serious? Do you really think that apart from the clowns, or to be kinder bowlers who gave clown like performances, that were on tour to Aus, namely Umesh, Varun, Ishant and Shami, there are no more fast bowlers in India?

There are 27 teams that play ranji trophy, and all them have atleast 3 seamers playing. That gives you at set of 81 fast bowlers to go. Do you really think that the selectors cannot come up with 4 names from the 81 other bowlers that are playing in Indian Domestic Cricket, as replacements for the aforementioned bowlers. How hard do you think it is, Einstein? Or are u actually trying to say that these 4 have been so brilliant, that they are irreplaceable?

Just look at the 81 bowlers, see which of them is best four, and pick them. No point in sticking to the ones that have failed over and over again.

Also to further add, Mohit and Kulkarni have been on the fringes for a long while and its obvious that when those ahead of them in the pecking order don't deliver, the next in line must be given opportunities. Those two are definitely worth looking at.

Rishi Dhawan of HP, is another interesting prospect, who so far this season is the leading wicket taker in Ranjis, having picked up 49 wickets at an avg of just 20 from 8 matches. Aged just 24 he could be given an opportunity. In the 38 ranji matches so far he has picked up 171 wickets at an excellent avg of 24.

Another good prospect is Jasprit Bumrah of Gujrat. Aged just 21, he has taken 38 wickets this season, in 8 games, at an avg of 21.

These are some options worth trying out, and one cannot stick to tried over and over again and failed. Bumrah and Dhawan seem like good options, why not give them a go.
I meant there are no good bowlers. There are a couple of them in dhawan, ishwar pandey maybe say kulkarni but we can't afford to change whole of our bowling. If we keep on changing them we will never get a settled set of bowlers which will be worse for the team.
 

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